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On 23/06/2020 at 23:03, Olympian1010 said:

That’s terrible. I really expect better from HBO. I’ll have read into this further.

I don't. Censoring 'Gone with the Wind' as 'history lesson' is one thing but they quickly caved in when President of Mexico called them out. Oh, how the mighty have fallen

6 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

Well, so it’s for the next generation, then!  It’s just as important to keep the production line rolling as it is to keep the big names happy.  Unless people start bucking up & showing some courage there’s going to be a whole lot of places for new sports on the Olympic schedule, because a lot of the old ones are just going to die off. 

Multi-event sports like athletics or swimming will never fall off the Olympic schedule. Both of them are ideal to create new global icons with several medals to be won. Two biggest Olympic icons of the XXI century - Bolt & Phelps - competed in these two sports. Coincidence?

Winter season in the Olympics year is never a priority for these athletes. Big names will probably skip it if it goes ahead anyway.

13 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

The only thing that wasn't handled well is that the official could have did some more checking (which most likely would have led to the actual answer) and that Wallace could be a tiny bit fairer afterwards when it was clear it was a misunderstanding. That's not to say he's in the wrong, just that he could have handled it a bit better after the FBI's statement, but that's about it.

 

It was a fun race though, which in the end is the main thing

Yeah, now we get a truckload of Monday morning quarterbacks who pretend they figured out the hoax long time ago

20 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Do you have eyes? I’m honestly curious. 
 

We both saw the same picture of what those pull ropes look like. The “handle” is tied in the style of noose. The official walked in and saw that part lying on the garage floor of the garage belonging to a black driver. This doesn’t seem like some big conspiracy to me. 
 

This was handled professionally, with a show of force by NASCAR and a proper investigation conducted by the FBI. 

This could have been "handled professionally" without calling the FBI. Jumping the gun on the "noose" shows you how unprofessional this was handled by the progressives in particular who didn't bother to see the picture before coming to an obvious - and very wrong - conclusion that someone in NASCAR is trying to lynch the black driver. Total BS. All you need is common sense - or asking Wood Brothers. But who needs common sense when twitter mob tells you what's really going on. Even Wallace himself knows he has to soak up the embarrasement now given the tweet you posted. I'm pretty sure we won't hear about another "noose" incident in NASCAR in a long, long time.

4 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Just so you know, the FBI investigates all reported hate crimes. Since NASCAR believed this was a hate crime, they contacted the FBI. The FBI did their job and cleared it up.  
 

This definitely wasn’t some large conspiracy constructed by NASCAR. Anyone with common sense would see this as an honest mistake based on the evidence.

 

I do get a good laugh out of all these conspiracy theories you come up with though, so thanks for that.

Well, you can't put anyone on hate crime trial for this so all you can do is laugh   I suppose nobody will check facts next time someone cries wolf about "noose" in NASCAR though. All in all, a PR disaster for anyone who tries to dismiss NASCAR as racist organization.

I want to know the name of the person who reported this "noose" though. Because this guy clearly lacked common sense. I wonder if he did it on purpose trying to boost BLM and Wallace's profile.

4 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Absolutely agree. Half the people there can't get any further than "Wallace can't even drive so he should shut up!" and "Yet another hoax! NWO!"

I'm pretty sure we won't hear about another "noose" incident related to Wallace as long as he remains an active driver. From a PR stand-point this has been a total disaster for BLM movement

37 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Right, but you can see how during a racially charged environment, a NASCAR official could walk into the garage meant for a black driver and see that lying on the ground and think “OMG, this is a noose!”

 

This seems like a pretty simple, honest mistake that NASCAR handled extremely well. They reiterated their stance on the values of their sport, and defended a driver. 

This stuff makes Fake News king. There's nothing about an honest mistake a week after the Confederate flag ban. Someone was trying to fuel the BLM movement fire and boost Wallace's status by the looks of it. The timing of the flag ban & this complete failure of making NASCAR look like a band of lynching racists is no coincidence IMO. They called 15 FBI people for this? What was the FBI told in first place? Wood Brothers did a better job of exposing this hoax than FBI. I suppose there is some common sense left in people. Social media & twitter mob is the last place I'd look for common sense though.

17 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

A noose is a slip knot.  By definition, you have to pull on it for it to work, and once you’ve pulled on it, it ceases to be a noose.  That’s how hangings work.  
 

But if what you say is true, why haven’t we seen a photo of the actual knot?  Why wasn’t that on every front page in America? 
 

I suggest It’s because the knot is the size of something you use to catch rabbits, not hang humans, and everyone would know that once they saw it, making the hoax too obvious to take seriously.

Here's the picture: 

It's actually next to the frickin' door. Wood Brothers occupied this garage in the fall 2019 race and they reported it's a pull door handle which blow up the case for the progressives.

The original reports made it sound like the "noose" was hanging in the middle of the garage thrown over a ledge

22 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

“I don’t follow this issue much, and I don’t know the facts around it. However, I came to the opinion that what’s important is a side I hate lost a political battle that I don’t understand.” That’s real enlightened ?

Have you actually seen a picture of the pull ropes? They are absolutely tied in the style of noose. I’m not saying that’s on purpose, I’m just saying that I could easily see how one could mistake a broken one for a noose. 

People see what they want to see.

You lost this battle over racism in NASCAR so get over it instead of trying to justify the original reports

15 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

You know that was a hashtag started by the far-right after NASCAR came out in support of Bubba Wallace right? 
 

They flew a banner over the race with the Confederate flag on it with that hashtag.

Thankfully I don't follow social media all that much to know who started this and why. At the end of the day the progressives lost this battle and the noose hoax suits them right IMO. You can ban the Confederate flag but you can't erase your history that easily

12 hours ago, heywoodu said:

Haha , comparing this with idiot Jussie Smollett

 

Yeah....no.

Whoever reported this pull rope as a noose IS a complete idiot after all.

13 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Except that Wallace himself didn’t put it there, lie about it, and then try to cover it up.

 

I think people will be happy with the response NASCAR took in the end. They made a very strong stand on what they see as the values of their sport, and they investigated the issue throughly.

I was talking more about premature judgement on social media in "we know it all and we are always right" style. All these #DefundNASCAR tags look extremely stupid right now. Even the progressives can't win all the battles and this is one where they totally lost.

As for the Josh Moon tweet, hindsight wisdom counts for nothing IMO. Now everyone will try to bail out in "oh, we knew all along it was a pull rope on the door instead of a noose".  No, you didn't. These Sherlocks rode the BLM wave and hit the rocks

25 minutes ago, Vojthas said:

Yes, it's not hard for 40+ events to get more coverage than 2+ ones.

 

Yes, that's why I agree with Churchill on that matter.

And I agree with Einstein

Epic failure Obviously the liberals and progressives will walk it back like nothing happened   Or maybe FBI should be dissolved now?

Same BS nonsense like the Jussie Smollett case.

9 minutes ago, Vojthas said:

I haven't mentioned handball nor floorball. And you, as a Pole, know very well, how the democracy works - PiS or PO getting most of the votes since 15 years.

But handball and floorball are on the shortlist for remainder of 2020 and that was the point of this thread after all. Come the Olympics athletics and swimming will get more coverage than skateboarding or surfing

PiS and PO have learned from other countries how to use democracy into their favor with a two-party system lockout. Our democracy has indeed matured since the 90s

3 minutes ago, Vojthas said:

Yes, especially in Baseball, Rugby 7s, Skateboarding or Surfing (just to mention Tokyo 2020 disciplines).

Let's do a poll then and see which sport gets more votes - handball or floorball? Maybe you will eat some crow then?

8 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

That's like the only non-cameltoe picture you get when searching for her name on Google  

I tried to focus on the skirt, not what's underneath it

6 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Why do we always do European events? I don’t mind do one a year or something, but there are other continents besides Europe.

Most users on this forum are European after all and European Championships are the most important continental championships in the world whether you like it or not

Road cycling, Grand Slam tennis & handball EC are the most obvious choices.

I got to see a lot of Giorgi live when she made the Katowice final three times in a row (2014-16, the last one vs Cibulkova).

And of course this from few years ago. The height difference between Cibulkova and Sharapova

To quote a classic, this thread is worthless without pictures

@thepharoah Camila Giorgi still wears the shortest skirts on WTA tour - designed by her mother no less

Cibulkova was wearing one-piece skirts for most of her career. She was very athletic and generated a lot of power for someone so tiny by modern WTA standards (162 cm IIRC).

Meanwhile in Seattle the police-free zone won't be police-free for much longer after some shootings took place

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53146258

Blaney beats Stenhouse by 0,007 at Talladega.

Almirola gets third despite crossing the finish line backwards.

And this is why I despise political corectness