Monzanator

12 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

No, we should never aim to appease Israel. 

You send 8 billion dollars in loan guarantees AND 3.8 billion dollars in military support to Israel. There's no other country in the world that benefits from more US financial help than Israel  That's 383k per capita! Next best is Afghanistan with 161k per capita and of course this country is a mess following the War on Terror USA had started.

So much for not appeasing Israel here

2 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Jeez, this thread escalated to personal Gestapo-attacks faster than Minneapolis did to riots.

Guess who first used the 'G' word? Our lovely friend from USA   I suppose you guys in the Netherlands still remember Arthur Seyss-Inquart just as we in Poland remember Hans Frank?

Just now, Olympian1010 said:

This literally has nothing to do with the issues at hand, so I’m not going to respond other than “We should look to appeal to Israel or Russia.”

But that's the whole point! Appeasing Israel serves a greater purpose. Netanyahu should have been kicked out long time ago but USA has to have a solid base in the Middle East. If not Israel then where? You lost Iran in 1979, you had Iraq & Afghanistan burn down in flames during the War on Terror, Turkey is run by another hard-nosed guy and of course there's Saudi Arabia which nobody calls a democracy? There's a civil war in Yemen and UAE and Qatar are doing mighty fine without serving as US puppets. That's a big stakes geopolitics which is played out over decades and more important than current issues whether Israel supported Trump over Clinton.

4 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Yes, because those are the governments we should really be aiming to impress and model ourselves after. Both with corrupt leaders that have mercilessly killed people. A great example for our nation.

Well, Israel is your safest base in the Middle East. They serve a huge purpose regardless of who's in the White House. As for Russia, well, Trump is a businessman, not a politician. He always does business before doing politics. He fights the economical war with China, not with Russia. China broke away from the Soviet leash in the mid-60s. Historically USA hasn't made the most of that split due to old sins from the Korean War and the Vietnam fiasco.

Polish Ekstraklasa is back!

Slask Wroclaw vs Rakow Czestochowa has just kicked off.

11 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

I’m pretty sure there’s still plenty of NAZIs in the U.S. I mean, hell, we put one in the White House.

Israel and Russia would probably disagree with you though. I'm pretty sure these two countries are happy that you elected Trump over Clinton

4 minutes ago, Agger said:

 

The funny thing is that it's maybe a week or so ago that I saw a comment using Gestapo about the state governments keeping the lock-down. So I guess you're right, and that's considering both sides

I just wonder how many Americans remember George Lincoln Rockwell from before 'The Man in the High Castle'? America themselves was still bleeding Nazi vermins in the 60s so they're not the best example when it comes to lecturing Europeans on Gestapo IMO

Just now, Olympian1010 said:

Polish aren’t a reliable source on democratic governments as well, so I wouldn’t trust your opinion on my country either.

My knowledge on USA is better than yours on Gestapo though

2 minutes ago, Agger said:

 

This doesn't really sound like Gestapo  

Terrible things happen and there are plenty of reasons to question the police, but there's a long way to Gestapo!
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/29/omar-jimenez-released-minnesota-protests-newday-vpx.cnn

Americans aren't reliable sources on Gestapo, I'd largely ignore their take on the matter They probably never heard of Sicherheistdienst either

2 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

I believe so, which actually says why we needed more criminal justice reform. This loophole should be absolutely illegal. This isn’t China and Russia, as much as  Trump wants it to be, we have rights (or at least we used to). 

That would probably require striking down or re-writing the Fourth Amendment though. Not gonna happen. We know how US politicians are opposed to changing those 18th century bills of law

1 minute ago, Olympian1010 said:

Ah, no, that’s not how that works actually. When a citizen asks a police officer multiple times “where do you want me to move”, and emphasizes that he will comply with instructions, then he ought not to be treated like a criminal. What was his crime? Filming? Talking? Reporting? Those aren’t crimes in the U.S. This is a free country.

Police can arrest anyone for 48 hours without pressing charges. That is the law in USA last time I checked? Just because you get arrested, it doesn't mean you're a criminal

3 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

We, journalists, will not tolerate totalitarian government’s heavy handed practices.

 

He asked multiple times before a arrested “Where do you want us?” “We’ll go wherever you need us to.” 

 A totalitarian government would shut down CNN years ago. Hell, it wouldn't be allowed to even be created in first place

Ted Turner would be send to work in the mines in Alaska, that's totalitarianism for you!

6 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Journalists definitely do have the right to record and broadcast what's happening though. Didn't watch the video yet, but from what I'm reading it doesn't seem like they were doing much wrong.

I watched it live and the journalist could have easily called the studio to say they will resume the report like 5 mins later after they relocate. But he kept talking to the policeman instead. If you disobey police orders you will be taken away in handcuffs. It's that simple. I have little sympathy for the CNN powerhouse who has state Governor acting like their courier

CNN journalists have been released already. Of course the Minnesota Governor being from Democratic Party was personally involved there. Nice to know he walks on a CNN leash here, he wouldn't care acting so quickly for any random citizen but CNN is their media tube so he has to help them more than anyone else

22 minutes ago, Vic Liu said:

I saw the live video. I don't think the reporter disobeying the police order. He is quite calm and cooperative during the live. Police ask them to move and they are going to and then he got arrested. I would say it's the police overreacted and CNN is not intentionally playing the racial card.

Every single TV station plays the race card intentionally. The people in the studio specifically asked why this reporting crew was stopped and they said it's because Jimenez isn't white

Bottom line, if police tell you to move, you move not continue with the report, period. Journalists are not sacred cows IMO. They ought to know better after the precint burned down last night that police is on a very short fuse when it comes to patience. CNN lawyers will bail them out in like two hours anyway but CNN wil surely play both the racial & victim card about this.

5 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

There’s no innocent policemen. They have beaten and killed black people in various ways for hundreds of years in this country. Even today, police acted like thugs and broke up peaceful protest outside of Minnesota. We have allowed them to escape consequences, and become too powerful over minorities.

 

Also, I don’t think forced apologies are going to solve this situation...

Police is a force after all? Who wants a weak police in their country? If they show any real weakness they might just dissolve the unit wholesale. And then USA can declare martial law and that's the end of it. What do you expect in a country of 330 million where people can buy guns like raisins? Minorities can't buy semi-automatic weapons or what?

Yeah, burning down a whole precint will solve this issue for sure

CNN reporter just got arrested live on air for disobeying Minnesota state police orders   CNN is losing their mind and plays the racial card since the guy was named Jimenez

16 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Which is why we’ll continue to hit the streets in protest. If you won’t punish one side, then you can’t punish the other.

Yep, and I wonder how long before people forget what are they protesting about? Because it's sure not about that guy being killed anymore

8 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Judges don’t decide criminal cases, and trials are generally held a few months after everything calms down for this reason (to give all sides an equal opportunity at a fair trial). 
 

Let me remind you that right wing protesters armed themselves with rifles and stormed state house buildings last month over Covid-19 measures. The police didn’t antagonize them then, and surely didn’t do shit to stop them. The right spreads hate, misinformation, and violence just as much, if not more, as the left. 

This reasoning that "we shouldn't be punished because the other side does the same if not worse things" won't fly in any court regardless of how much time passes by IMO

50 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Heavy looting has broken out in St. Paul (Minnesota capital) today. It looks pretty bad, and it will kill any further momentum on this issue I’m afraid. 

I want to see things burn, but this isn’t right. They are attacking random businesses and clearly not protesting the death of Mr. Floyd. 

No wonder courts eventually side with the police in the end. Endorsing theft & arson means endorsing anarchy. No sane court judge in a democratic country would ever endorse anarchy. MInnesota can be as liberal as they want to but it still comes down to pure criminal activities in the end. They're not gonna win the ideological war that way

Lovely 21st century crap - even by Uber standards - just destroy everything Then again, electric bikes are expendable so whatever

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52832791

4 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

I can’t remember who Monzanator cheers for. 

Raiders

2 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

1) In the future meat produced in the lab will be cheaper than traditional meat.

2) It would greatly help with climate change.

It won't be cheaper if GMO gains monopoly over naturally grown food. Monopolists always raise the prices. Same happens with LPG vehicles, it was set to replace gasoline as the "fuel of the future" and now the prices are rocketing so much the LPG car rentals are shutting down hand over fist because it makes no economical sense to rent LPG cars for free anymore. Same will happen with GMO food that simply won't get cheaper. More technology involved means a higher cost.

10 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

Will be interesting to see which way the UK goes after leaving the EU. I think they could follow the american/canadian lead (concerning genetically modified food) closely. I also would call products like the one i mentioned crap. I believe that the future of animal products belongs to products produced in a lab, it would solve a lot of problems.

It would perhaps solve problems in poor African or Asian countries which however don't have money to pay for it. And those GMO producers are unwilling to hand out food for free while the rich EU is unwilling to pay for this crap since that would collapse the agricultural market in Europe. People are not that desperate to pay more for a milk from the lab, they would rather herd millions of cows instead

8 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

So hopefully not for long ... wouldn't mind if everyone would stop eating dairy + there is actually a way to produce dairy products in a laboratory.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/science/lab-grown-milk.html

 

I think New Zealand will be find if they can keep attracting super-rich like Peter Thiel ...

EU basically told GMO food from USA to fuck off though   Americans will have to find a new market for their crap.