heywoodu 15,172 Posted September 22, 2020 #1 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Totallympics Open International Song Contest 2020 Totallympics Forum - 22 September 2020 - 14 November 2020 Official Schedule Until Saturday, October 24th: Central European Summer Time (GMT +2) From Sunday, October 25th: Central European Time (GMT +1) Tuesday, September 22nd 18:00 National Jury Registration and Entries Selection Window Open Sunday, October 11th 23:59 National Jury Registration and National Entries Window Closed Monday, October 12th 06:00 Host Jury Voting Window Open Wednesday, October 14th 23:59 Host Jury Voting Window Closed / National Jury Voting Window Open Friday, October 30th 23:59 National Jury Voting Window Closed Saturday, October 31st 15:00 Voting Order Draw / Team Allocation Draw Monday, November 2nd 06:00 Festival of Music Begins Friday, November 13th 20:00 Opening Ceremony Saturday, November 14th 09:00 Totallympics Open International Song Contest 2020 Grand Final Participating Nations Nation Jury Members Artist Song Argentina @konig @LDOG Enanitos Verdes Lamento Boliviano Brazil @titicow Tom Jobim Wave Bulgaria @stefanbg Orhan Murad Hilyadi Slanca (Thousand Suns) Canada @intoronto MAGIC! Rude China @Vic Liu Hua Chenyu The Dust in the Fireworks Croatia @dcro Gabi Novak Sretan Put Czech Republic @Michal Hroch Aneta Langerová Svatá Kordula Denmark @Agger @Wumo Savage Rose Wild Child Egypt @thepharoah Egyptian Project Menen Aguibak France @Benolympique @Bohemia Woodkid Run Boy Run Germany @catgamer Robin Schulz ft. Jasmine Thompson Sun Goes Down Great Britain @Dragon Manic Street Preachers Motorcycle Emptiness Greece @Janakis Nikos Ganos Last Summer Hungary @Vektor Anima Sound System '68 India @Fly_like_a_don Bethsy, Pensy, Temi Sailao Mamawh Chhanna Lal Isua Indonesia @Griff88 Potret Bagaikan Langit Ireland @OlympicIRL Glen Hansard & Markéta Irglová Falling Slowly Israel @Dnl Idan Raichel Boiee Italy @Gianlu33@Henry_Leon@Pablita@SteveParker Francesco Baccini ft. Ladri di Biciclette Sotto Questo Sole Kazakhstan @Ruslan Kamshat Zholdybayeva Сүйіктім (My Love) Lithuania @Werloc Daddy Was A Milkman Sleeping Alone Malta @Glen Airport Impressions Berlin Mexico @mrv86 José José El Triste Moldova @Ionoutz24 The Motans 42 Netherlands @heywoodu DJ Paul Elstak Rainbow In The Sky New Zealand @Wanderer Ladyhawke Magic Poland @rybak@Vojthas Budka Suflera Takie Tango Portugal @kungshamra71 Senhor Galandum Burgalesa Romania @IoNuTzZ Angela Gheorghiu Copacul Serbia @NikolaB Irish Stew Of Sindidun Lady Of New Tomorrow Slovakia @hckosice I.M.T. Smile Nepoznám Slovenia @justony All Capone Štrajh Trio I Heart Kitsch Spain @Cobi La Casa Azul La Revolución Sexual Tunisia @amen09@tuniscof Hassen Doss Tabaani United States @dezbee2008 @Olympian1010 Monsters Of Folk His Master's Voice Total Jury Members 43 Total Nations 35 Playlist TISC Open 2020 - Voting Schedule Position Nation Voting time (CET) Voting time (Jury time) 1 Israel 09:00 10:00 2 Denmark 09:15 09:15 3 Italy 09:30 09:30 4 Slovenia 09:45 09:45 5 Poland 10:00 10:00 6 India 10:15 14:15 7 Spain 10:30 10:30 Coffee break 8 Moldova 11:00 12:00 9 China 11:15 18:15 10 Bulgaria 11:30 12:30 11 Brazil 11:45 07:45 12 Lithuania 12:00 13:00 13 Ireland 12:15 11:15 14 Slovakia 12:30 12:30 Lunch break 15 Great Britain 13:30 12:30 16 Tunisia 13:45 13:45 17 Romania 14:00 15:00 18 Argentina 14:15 10:15 19 Croatia 14:30 14:30 20 Portugal 14:45 13:45 21 United States 15:00 06:00/09:00 Snack break 22 Netherlands 15:30 15:30 23 Serbia 15:45 15:45 24 New Zealand 16:00 04:00 25 Germany 16:15 16:15 26 Egypt 16:30 17:30 27 Indonesia 16:45 22:45 28 Canada 17:00 11:00 Dinner break 29 France 18:30 18:30 30 Czech Republic 18:45 18:45 31 Hungary 19:00 19:00 32 Kazakhstan 19:15 00:15 33 Greece 19:30 20:30 34 Mexico 19:45 12:45 35 Malta 20:00 20:00 Host city introductionDelegation location 1 - Apeldoorn - France - Lithuania - Poland - SpainDelegation location 2 - Epe - Argentina - Germany - New Zealand - United StatesDelegation location 3 - Ermelo - Croatia - Greece - PortugalDelegation location 4 - Elburg - Czech Republic - Hungary - RomaniaDelegation location 5 - Harderwijk - Brazil - India - Moldova - TunisiaDelegation location 6 - Garderen - Bulgaria - Kazakhstan - Serbia - ChinaDelegation location 7 - Kootwijk - Egypt - Indonesia - SloveniaDelegation location 8 - Staverden - Italy - Malta - IrelandDelegation location 9 - Vierhouten - Denmark - Israel - MexicoDelegation location 10 - Nunspeet - Canada - Great Britain - Slovakia - Netherlands Festival of Music Nation User Artist Song Armenia @kungshamra71 Serj Tankian Bari Arakeel Australia @Werloc Angus & Julia Stone Grizzly Bear Belgium @Olympian1010 Stromae Quand C’est Bosnia and Herzegovina @Wumo Zabranjeno Pušenje Možeš imat' moje tijelo Brunei Darussalam @rybak Zul Faden Cobalah Tuk Setia Cyprus @rybak Loukas Yorkas Mazi Ecuador @hckosice Verde 70 LA TOQUILLA Me tienes, Me puedes, me dueles Palomita errante Japan @Wanderer Mariah Shinzo No Tobira (My Life Is Big) Jordan @Wumo El Morabba3 Ma Indak Khabar Kenya @Dragon Nameless Coming Home Kyrgyzstan @dcro Gulnur Satilganova Tuulgan Jerdi Saginuu Russia @dcro Shura Indecision South Korea @Vic Liu Lee Juck Don't Worry Sweden @Vojthas Herreys Mirror Mirror Thailand @Wanderer The Petch Phin Thong Band Soul Lam Plearn Uruguay @Cobi Jorge Drexler Todo se transforma Zambia @Olympian1010 Witch Lazy Bones Zimbabwe @Dragon Real Sounds of Africa Soccer Fan . 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heywoodu 15,172 Posted September 22, 2020 Author #2 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Charter and Official Rulebook SECTION 1 - SONG CHOICE AND ELIGIBILITY: 1. (a) All songs must be released on or before December 31st, 2015, in keeping with TISC Open rules whereby songs released in the last 5 years are ineligible to compete. 1. (b) All songs must be ORIGINAL to the nation for which they are competing. In other words, if a song is a copy or cover of an original song by an artist from another nation, then it is ONLY permitted to participate for the nation of the artist who produced the original version. If the artist of the cover version is from the same nation as the original artist, then the cover version must fulfill rule 1(a) in order to be eligible to participate. 1. (c) Songs that competed at Eurovision shall be excluded from competing at TISC. However, songs which competed in a national final but were not put forward to represent their nation at Eurovision may be selected to compete at TISC. SECTION 2 - ARTIST CHOICE AND ELIGIBILITY: 2. (a) Artists chosen to represent a nation must have been born in or be of the same nationality as the nation for which they are participating OR they must have more or equal association with that nation. 2. (b) In the case of bands, at least 50% of the band must be born in or be of the same nationality as the nation for which they are participating OR they should have more or equal association with that nation. 2. (c) For the purposes of the Totallympics International Song Contest, the same concept of nationality as that used by the IOC (International Olympic Committee) will be adopted. So, for example, artists from Scotland must represent Great Britain, artists from Faroe Islands must represent Denmark, etc. SECTION 3 - NATIONAL JURY VOTING: 3. (a) National juries may consist of a single jury member OR a multi-member jury made up of two or more users from that nation. 3. (b) National juries must send their votes in SECRET (via private message) to the host organising member(s) of the song contest as requested during the designated voting window. 3. (c) Each jury member in a multi-member jury shall send their individual preferences in SECRET (via private message) to the host organising member(s). The votes from each of the members of the multi-member jury will be combined to form a single set of votes which will represent the overall voting preference of that national jury. In this way, the votes from each of the participating national juries, whether single or multi-member juries, will hold equal value or weight. 3. (d) National juries will use the following voting format: (i) Jury members will award points to their 12 favourite songs in ascending manner from points 1 through 12 (inclusive) with the first preference receiving a maximum score of 12 points, second preference receiving 11 points, third preference receiving 10 points, and so forth until the song of 12th preference which will receive a single point. See below scoring table for reference: 1st Preference 12 pts 2nd Preference 11 pts 3rd Preference 10 pts 4th Preference 9 pts 5th Preference 8 pts 6th Preference 7 pts 7th Preference 6 pts 8th Preference 5 pts 9th Preference 4 pts 10th Preference 3 pts 11th Preference 2 pts 12th Preference 1 pt (ii) In single member juries, these scores will subsequently represent the National Jury Vote of that nation. However, in multi-member juries, the votes of all the jury members from that nation will be combined to form a single set of points. The song which has received the most number of points from that national jury will be deemed to be the overall first preference choice of that jury and will receive the maximum score of 12 points; the song which has received the second highest number of points from that national jury will be deemed to be the overall second preference choice of that jury and will receive a score of 11 points, and so forth until the song which has received the 12th highest number of points which will receive a single point from that national jury. (iii) In the case of multi-member juries with 4 jury members or more, that jury can choose between the standard voting format (12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1) or the following alternative points format (18-15-12-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1). However, all jurors of that national jury must use the same format when submitting their votes. It is not permitted that some use the standard format and some others use the alternative format. As such, if a national jury wants to choose the alternative format over the standard format, that national jury must debate together in private message to come to a common consensus or majority vote on which to decide. The result of that discussion will then be posted on thread to inform all contestants and the organisers of their decision.All members of that jury will then submit their votes using the selected format. The host will then combine the votes of the jury members in the usual manner to form a single set of points as standard (12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1). 3. (e) National juries must submit their votes by the official voting deadline as designated by the host organiser(s). National juries who fail to submit their votes within the required time frame will be disqualified from the contest. 3. (f) Any Nation which fails to participate in the voting process will be automatically disqualified from the contest. 3. (g) A random draw will take place in advance of the Grand Final to determine the order in which the National Juries will reveal their votes. This draw must be shown to be transparent and available to competing members should they wish to follow the result. The result of this draw must always be adhered to in order to preserve the random nature in which the voting will progress during the Grand Final. A National Jury may only request a "swap" in their designated voting position if, after the random draw, they have been assigned a voting slot outside of "reasonable hours". For the purpose of this contest, reasonable hours will be determined as anytime between 08:30-23:00 local time of that national jury. During the "swap" process, the host organiser will first look to make swaps between National Juries who are eligible for swaps after the random draw. SECTION 4 - NATIONAL JURY TIE-BREAK PROCEDURES: 4. (a) In the event of a tie in the combined votes of multi-member juries, the following set of rules outlines how the tie-break will be resolved: (i) The song which has received points from the greatest number of jury members will be deemed the winner of the tie. For example, take the following scenario.... Songs A, B, and C each received a combined score of 10 points after the results of each national jury member were combined and calculated. Song A received a single score of 10 points from one jury member, Song B received scores of 7 points and 3 points from two separate jury members and Song C received scores of 5 points, 3 points and 2 points from 3 separate jury members. All three songs received a total of 10 points, however, Song C is deemed to be the winner of the tie because a greater number of jury members voted for that song (3 members in this case). (ii) If the songs remain deadlocked after 4 (a) (i), the song which received the highest value score from an individual jury member will be deemed the winner of the tie. For example, take the following scenario.... Song A and Song B each received a combined score of 14 points after the results of each national jury member were combined and calculated. Song A received scores of 8+6 points while Song B received scores of 7+7 points. Song A will be deemed the winner of that tie since that song received a score of higher value (8 points) from one of the national jury members. (iii) If the songs remain deadlocked after 4 (a) (i) and (ii), jury members from that national jury who did not award any votes to any of the songs involved in the tie-break will be asked to break the tie. This tie-break rule can only ever be used to break ties in juries of 3 members or more and ONLY if there is a jury member who did not vote for any of the songs involved in the tie-break. (iv) After the procedures 4 (a) (i), (ii) and (iii) have been carried out, all outstanding ties within the votes of a national jury shall be resolved by carrying out a single random draw. The nature of this random draw shall be as follows: The names of each national jury member will be entered into a draw. Each name will be drawn. The first jury member drawn will be awarded the right to break the unresolved tie of highest value. The second jury member drawn will be awarded the right to break the unresolved tie of the second highest value. For example, take the following scenario.... there are two members of National Jury X. After the votes of User A and User B are combined and calculated the following situation arises: COUNTRY (Total points) -> Combined value Country A (24 points) -> 12 points Country B (21 points) -> 11 or 10 points Country C (21 points) -> 11 or 10 points Country D (18 points) -> 9 points Country E (16 points) -> 8 points Country F (13 points) -> 7 or 6 points Country G (13 points) -> 7 or 6 points Country H (10 points) -> 5 points Country I (7 points) -> 4 or 3 points County J (7 points) -> 4 or 3 points Country K (4 points) -> 2 points Country L (1 point) -> 1 or 0 points County M (1 point) -> 1 or 0 points Those highlighted in red text are those ties which could not be resolved by 4 (a) (i), (ii) or (iii). As a result of the random draw, User A was drawn first, meaning that user will be given the right to break the unresolved tie of the highest value (the tie between Country B and C for 11 or 10 points). User B was drawn second meaning that user will be given the right to break the unresolved tie of the second highest value (the tie between Country F and G for 7 or 6 points). The order will then be reversed so that User B will be given the right to break the unresolved tie of the third highest value (the tie between Country I and J for 4 or 3 points). User A will finally be given the right to break the unresolved tie of the fourth highest value (the tie between Country L and M for 1 or 0 points). This procedure to break the unresolved ties will be used for national juries of any number with the first user drawn being given the right to break the unresolved tie of the highest value, the second user drawn being given the right to break the unresolved tie of the second highest value, third user the third highest tie, etc. reversing the order if need be when the order has completed one cycle. However, it should be noted that unresolved tie-breaks which require random draws will occur mostly in two-member juries since national juries with 3 or more members will likely resolve all ties through 4 (a) (i), (ii) or (iii). SECTION 5 - OVERALL SCOREBOARD TIE-BREAK PROCEDURES: 5. (a) In the event of a tie in the overall scoreboard between two or more nations, the following set of rules outlines how the tie-break will be resolved: (i) The nation which has received points from the greatest number of National Juries will be deemed the winner of the tie. (ii) If there is still a tie after 5 (a) (i), the nation which has received the greatest number of 12 points will be deemed the winner of the tie. (iii) If there is still a tie after 5 (a) (i), (ii), the nation which has received the greatest number of 11 points will be deemed the winner of the tie. If the tie remains deadlocked, the process will continue by counting the number of 10 points each nation received, 9 points, 8 points, and so on until the tie-break can be resolved. 5. (b) If there is still a tie in the overall scoreboard between two or more nations after 5 (a) (i), (ii) and (iii) have been implemented, those nations shall be deemed to have tied for position in the overall scoreboard. SECTION 6 - TEAM CHALLENGE FORMAT AND RULES: 6. (a) Each edition of the Totallympics International Song Contest will feature a Team Challenge competition. The main purpose of this team element is to further enhance the community spirit that is an integral feature of TISC events and to provide another means of encouraging users to interact with one another. 6. (b) The TISC Team Challenge event may vary in format from one contest to the next. The nature of the format will be dependent on the number of participating nations. 6. (c) Nations will be assigned to their team by random draw. 6. (d) The ideal format is that there will be a minimum of 8 teams, each made up of 4 nations. However, if that is not possible, the teams will be formed from one of the following formats (listed in order of preference): (i) teams of 3 nations (ii) teams of 5 nations (iii) if it's not possible for each team to have the same number of nations, a special provision will be introduced (for example: power plays). 6. (e) It is recommended that the teams shall be named after various cities/regions of the host country and combined with a nickname. For example, a contest in Brazil might feature teams called the Brasilia Capitals and Manaus Amazons. SECTION 7 - ELIGIBILITY, CONDUCT AND RESPONSIBILITY OF PARTICIPANTS: 7. (a) Any first time participant must have been registered on the forum at least 2 months before they take part in the contest. The date used to calculate the 2 months rule will be 2 months prior to the National Selection deadline. A first time participant may be allowed special dispensation to participate in TISC, even if they do not fulfill the 2-month rule criteria. However, in such circumstances, that user must have shown a high level of activity in the forum in terms of posts and presence. This special dispensation will be awarded on the agreement of Totallympics admin, namely Sindo, who will conduct all necessary verification checks and will be given final approval by the TISC management team, namely OlympicIRL and the host of that TISC edition. These rules are not designed to exclude, only to ensure TISC retains a distinct character, built upon a unique community atmosphere created by users of the forum. 7. (b) Participating users shall be respectful of the song choice of all nations once they fulfill all of the necessary eligibility requirements. 7. (c) Participating users must not reveal or give any indication as to their preferences or voting choices at any stage before the official announcement of the votes during the Grand Final. 7. (d) Participating users must not discuss private voting procedures with other members so as to ensure fairness is always in play and to ensure any suspense during the Grand Final is kept intact. 7. (e) Participating users must be respectful when posting and discussing with other members on the Totallympics International Song Contest Thread. 7. (f) If foul play is detected with respect to 7 (a), (b), (c), (d) or (e) at any stage before, during or after the contest, the TISC organising committee reserves the right to place the participation or result of that nation under review. SECTION 8 - HOSTING DUTIES, RESPONSIBILITIES AND ORGANISATIONAL TIMEFRAME: 8. (a) The host organisation should adhere to the follow basic schedule upon organising the contest: There shall be 2 weeks allocated for registration and national selection until the deadline to submit an entry. There shall be 2 weeks allocated for voting (of which a maximum of 3 days will be allocated to the host jury to submit their votes to a designated neutral third party). There shall be a maximum of 2 weeks allocated after the voting window closes to allow the hosts time to organise the Grand Final. This 6 week time-frame was agreed upon during a public vote but in special circumstances, exceptions will be considered. 8. (b) The host organiser(s) must submit their votes in advance of receiving votes from other National Juries by private message. The votes of the host(s) should be sent by private message to a neutral third party after the national selection window has passed and before the national jury voting phase begins. 8. (c) The host organiser(s) must abide by the same rules that govern the participation of users in the Totallympics International Song Contest as outlined in Section 6. SECTION 9 - FUTURE HOSTING RIGHTS: 9. (a) Upon completion of the relevant song contest, the winning nation will automatically be awarded the rights to host the subsequent Totallympics International Song Contest 1 year later. 9. (b) If the winning nation wishes to decline the hosting duties, the runner-up of that edition will then be awarded the opportunity to accept or decline the hosting rights. If the runner-up also declines the hosting duties, the 3rd placed nation of that edition will have the opportunity to accept or decline the hosting rights. 9. (c) In the event that the hosting rights are declined by the top 3 ranked nations at the previous edition of the relevant TISC, an open bid process will be conducted in order to award the hosting rights. This process will be open to all candidates, first-time hosts as well as previous hosts. A random draw will take place with each candidate being awarded a number of tickets in the draw. The more tickets a candidate has entered, the better their chance of being selected as host. Here is the process for how the tickets will be distributed: Each candidate automatically awarded 1 ticket each in the draw. However, additional tickets awarded as follows - did not host in the previous 5 editions (+1 additional ticket) - did not host in the previous 10 editions (+1 additional ticket) - did not host previously (+2 additional tickets) - took part in the previous bidding process (+1 additional ticket). For first-time hosts, they will add an additional ticket for each edition they are unsuccessful for in bidding, thus increasing their chance slightly with each unsuccessful bid. This increase will only be available for first-time hosts. Additionally, if a first-time host missed 2 consecutive bidding campaigns, then their tickets no longer carry forward and they lose those additional tickets. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heywoodu 15,172 Posted September 22, 2020 Author Popular Post #3 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Welcome to TOISC 2020! Less than a year ago, Caro Emerald's Liquid Lunch provided the Dutch TISC Team with a rather liquid dinner by making history as the first ever winner from The Netherlands. Therefore the TOISC 2020 will be held in The Netherlands, which of course is a first as well. The organizing committee would like to invite each and everyone on Totallympics to join the tradition that is TISC and participate in this year's contest, to be held in the beautifully located city of...not yet. The Netherlands may be rather small, we've got plenty of cities. Big cities, unless you compare them with Tokyo and São Paulo, small cities, unless you compare them with Adamstown and Ngerulmud, and a whole lot in between. Amsterdam assumed they were going to get the honours, because according to Amsterdam, nothing is better than Amsterdam and everything Amsterdam has to offer. Logically, it's not going to be Amsterdam, because plenty of places are a lot more suitable for the festival that is TOISC. "Ha! It's not Amsterdam, surely it's going to be us", said Amsterdam's eternal rival Rotterdam. You'll get a nice bit of getting your head bashed in if you say so to either side, but obviously Amsterdam and Rotterdam are basically just one and the same and so it ain't gonna be either of them. "Fantastic news, that means we...", nope. The Hague's attempt remains a futile one. Same stuff, different location (slightly) and that's just not going to cut it. They may have tons of embassies, they're not getting TOISC. The main square in Amsterdam, with clear evidence that nobody wants to be there There are not that many major cities left, but Utrecht is a big one. If the Tour de France gives it a try, surely it's good enough for TOISC? Nice attempt and we are in fact getting closer, but with the big three looming around the corner, we'd better move away. On to Eindhoven then? They make light bulbs like no other, but their lives get turned entirely upside down for a week when Carnival comes peeking around the corner and we just need something a bit more...down-to-earth. "Eindhoven the craziest", they say. Too bad. "Nothing goes above Groningen!", the saying goes in, well, Groningen. The towns above Groningen surely dare to disagree and we are going to join them: it's a decent city, but other than - and including - student life...why go there? Tilburg has Eindhoven's Carnival problem, the committee would rather take over Ngerulmud and hold TOISC there than setting foot in Almere, Breda joins Eindhoven and Tilburg and Nijmegen...well, big events centered on that city tend to have a bit of a negative outcome. The sad joke that is Eindhoven. And Tilburg. And Breda. We ain't going to the province of Brabant That's the first ten Dutch cities in terms of population down the drain, wonderful, because that means we've arrived at our destination. Ladies and gentlemen, TOISC 2020 will be held in Apeldoorn! Unlike is often the case, the choice is not made mostly based on the city itself, as much as it is based on the beautiful location and surrounding. You'll get to know this area better in the coming weeks, but everyone who loves enjoying nature will be taken care of and locations for the delegations to stay will be announced. The event will be held in Omnisport Apeldoorn, where the cycling track's stands can hold a good amount of people and the track itself will be used to give everyone some extra space in these times of distance. The small infield will be transformed into a stage, so that everyone can enjoy the show. Welcome to Apeldoorn 2020 and feel free to announce your participation! The majestic Omnisport Apeldoorn, home of all kinds of sports - and TOISC 2020! Wumo, rybak, dcro and 12 others 9 2 1 3 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werloc 3,169 Posted September 22, 2020 #4 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Can I confirm the Lithuanian participation, or are we here too early? heywoodu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 15,172 Posted September 22, 2020 Author #5 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Werloc said: Can I confirm the Lithuanian participation, or are we here too early? Took you long enough! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektor 3,326 Posted September 22, 2020 #6 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, heywoodu said: OP Very informative. heywoodu and Olympian1010 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektor 3,326 Posted September 22, 2020 #7 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Oh, and if we are confirming participations... is in, duh. I just have to translate the lyrics because I couldn't find an official or unofficial English translation anywhere. heywoodu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,980 Posted September 22, 2020 #8 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I see @heywoodu distaste of urban places is still alive and well. That said, I do like the selection of Apeldoorn, so I’ll let it slide. Also, the US will be making an appearance once more to everyone’s chagrin. heywoodu 1 “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 15,172 Posted September 22, 2020 Author #9 Share Posted September 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said: I see @heywoodu distaste of urban places is still alive and well. That said, I do like the selection of Apeldoorn, so I’ll let it slide. Also, the US will be making an appearance once more to everyone’s chagrin. Not to worry, I have a city in mind for the US delegation. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,210 Posted September 22, 2020 #10 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I expected some village to be honest. Would have been the first one since the 2015 Open. Interestingly enough, we do not like giving honors to capital cities around here. Since 2016, Košice, Kaunas, Brighton, Carthage, Rio de Janeiro, Orlando, Guadalajara, Odense, Rijeka and now Apeldoorn have hosted. Not one of them a capital. #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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