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1 hour ago, MantaRaymarc said:

 

Hi Mohsen, do you know how will the Iranian wrestlers be selected for Rio 2016? And is the list of shooters final and irrevocable?

Hi, let me answer first about Shooting , no this list is not officially final. if these athletes show very poor results in future competitions they can be replaced but honestly I don't think it happens, these athletes will go to Rio 99%

For wrestling, each weight has its own story, for most weights we will have trials inside the country in April, while in some weights for different reasons the Olympic team member will be decided in an international competition. We had series of pre-trials and now two wrestlers are remaining in each weight (more than two in some)

Freestyle

57: Hassan Rahimi and Reza Atri will go to an international tournament later to decide. Since Rahimi needs more international competition and also they don't want him to cut weight twice.

65: Ahmad Mohammadi and Meisam Nassiri, wrestle-off, best of 3 in April

74: Hassan Yazdani and Mostafa Hosseinkhani , wrestle-off, best of 3 in April

86: In this weight we have 4 wrestlers, Alireza Karimi, Ehsan Lashgari, Meisam Jokar and Reza Bayat, they will compete in Iran in round robin format.

97: Reza Yazdani and Amir Mohammadi, wrestle-off, best of 3 in April

125: Komeil Ghasemi and Parviz Hadi will go to an international tournament later. that wasn't fair to make them wrestle in April since Ghasemi just won the quota for Iran and won't be ready to wrestle soon.

PS: those who won the quota for Iran at 74kg and 97kg (Abbas Tahan and Alireza Ghasemi) didn't even make it to the final Olympic trials !

Greco

59: NOT QUALIFIED YET. After Sourian failed, they will send Saman Abdevali to Mongolia, if Saman manages to win the quota there wll be a match between him and Sourian, otherwise Sourian will probably go to Turkey to try his very last chance.

66: Nothing clear yet, Norouzi just qualified few days ago, they will probably send him and 1-2 challengers to an international tournament, maybe Zeidvand and Binangard.

75: Saeid Abdevali is already selected. he beat his closest rival Payam Boyeri twice recently and both comfortably, and since Boyeri is injured and can not make it to April trials.

85: We have 6 wrestlers here. they will wrestle in round robin format in April, Habibollah Akhlaghi, Mojtaba Karimfar, Yousef Ghaderian, Hossein Nouri, Davoud Akhbari and Davoud Abedinzadeh.

98: Ghasem Rezaei and Mehdi Aliyari, wrestle-off, best of 3 in April

130: NOT QUALIFIED YET, they will send either Babajanzadeh or Gasemi-Monjazi to Mongolia and I have no idea what will happen if they qualify in this weight which is clearly Iran's weakest men's weight.

1 hour ago, ledon said:

I think in this case the other group will be a group of death: Australia, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar and Syria .

 

By the way I would pick the same group with the exception that I would prefer Syria over Thailand, just because of the weather in Thailand.

I think the only big difference is between China and UAE. for other pots I can say both teams are almost in the same level, we prefer Iraq and Uzbekistan for some other reasons (not because they are weaker than QAT or KSA) Japan is even stronger than Korea but we still want them

Iran never qualified to the World Cup twice in a row, I just hope they break the curse this time. the current team looks much better than 2014 WCQ.

OK, only 1 in semifinal , we officially suck in boxing, they are getting weaker and weaker every year, I wonder why I still follow this sport !

btw, I was following Mehrabi-MGL on live score and two judges scored all 3 round exact opposite of each other !! how is that even possible ?! are they watching the same bout ?

1 hour ago, heywoodu said:

Moradi got suspended for doping, then came back and lifted 20kg more than the world champion? Yeah, you're right about me not liking him  

I remember Salimi's injury, that looked horribly painful to watch...

 

Are there some Iranian weightlifters (of a decent level of course) who are actually "down to earth" guys instead of "divas" like Salimi? 

 

Yes he did, there are videos of him on the net lifting 200 + 240 . (probably few kg heavier than 94kg and that was in training but still this record is 35kg higher than 94kg gold medalist.

I have to say, with the exception of Salimi, Rostami and Nasirshalal (London silver medalist) the rest are OK, they were 5 but one of them Anoushiravani (who is now the head coach) rarely participated in their coup and Mohammadpour was just a kid (poor guy had a serious elbow injury which can even end his career) I can name Molaei (2013 world silver) or Taghian, even Moradi or Babari if you count dopers lol they didn't get into all these stories and stay out of them.

btw it will be hard for Iran to find 5 competitive weightlifters this time (back in Rio we had 6 medal favorites and won 4 medals) Rostami will take one of the spots, Moradi too if he gets cleared by IWF, I hope for Molaei but he also had a surgery back in 2014 and I'm not aware of his current shape.as for Salimi we have to wait couple of months to know his new situation. I think they will also send someone in 105kg, maybe Barari. or Nasirshalal or Kourosh Bagheri's nephew Emad Bagheri.

here are possible pots for the next round per FIFA future World Ranking

Pot 1: Iran, Australia

Pot 2: South Korea, Japan

Pot 3: Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan

Pot 4: UAE, China

Pot 5: Qatar, Iraq

Pot 6: Syria, Thailand

I think we won't have a group of death. and once again we can't play Australia !!! the last time we played them was 18 years ago !

Personally I prefer Japan, Uzbekistan, China, Iraq and Thailand. in our group.

Japan is stronger than Korea for sure but all football fans here are sick of playing Korea everytime ! even though we have a very good record against them recently. KSA and Uzbekistan are almost in the same level but I prefer Uzbekistan since KSA plays dirty. beside that they will make a story about playing in Iran once again.

UAE is definitely stronger than China, so I have no doubt I prefer China as for Qatar and Iraq, I think we prefer Iraq to take revenge for that unfair 2015 Asian Cup defeat on penalties. I wonder if Iraq continue to play its home games in Iran if they group with us !? Syria and Thailand are almost the same, Thailand is more predictable while Syria (despite all troubles they are facing) is a hard fighting team.

what about Kuwait's situation ? will they disqualify Kuwait to annul their results ? because in this case Lebanon can finish 2nd with 12pts  (if they beat MYA today) ! otherwise there is no chance for 2nd placed team in this group

52 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Ah right, I remember you writing about the athletes getting way too much freedom. If I'm remembering correctly, Salimi was among those who preferred to stay up at night playing PlayStation? 

Yep indeed he was, he got seriously injured weeks before 2015 Worlds, (video of his injury is available on the net) under training program of his favorite coach Tavakoli, he is back after a knee surgery and started his training only yesterday, it's not clear if he can recover to his old shape in time for Rio or not. at the moment I don't count on him.

at the moment Iran has only 1+1 medal chances, Kianoush Rostami and Sohrab Moradi (and i know you won't like him as a former doper !). Moradi is back after a 2 years (and plus) suspension. since the previous federation announced his retirement to IWF , he could not particpiate even after the suspension, he is supposed to be clear to compete in couple of months but the problem is he has to compete in two IWF sanctioned event before Rio to become eligible. he will miss the Asian Champs, but can participate in IWF Grand Prix in Tehran . still needs one more tournament which apparently IWF will invite him for Pan-American Championship in Colombia ! that's what Tamas Ajan (IWF president) promised to the Iran federation.

ps, Moradi's training record was something +20kg more than Gold medalists record in World Championship.

40 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Who was the previous coach? 

 

How are the relationships/workings in Iranian weightlifting? For example, in Dutch speed skating there's commercial teams (like in cycling) who of course all have their own coaches, and a "national coach" who mostly doesn't have a lot of real power because the athletes train with their commercial teams. 

 

I seem to remember there are different camps who are strongly opposed to each other in Iranian weightlifting?

That's a LONG story. we had 4 different coaches in past 4 years.

Kourosh Bagheri led the team to win 4 medals in London, before that Coup d'état in 2013. he had to send a very young team which still finished 3rd with a silver medal and four 4th-place finishes. he resigned later, he had a heart attack and could not handle all those pressure on him anymore. they appointed another coach "Bahman Zare" who was NOT successful in 2014 Asian Games and 2014 Worlds then they replaced him with the mastermind of that Coup d'état 2000 Olympic Champion "Hossein Tavakkoli" !! Tavakkoli was junior team coach when some of these athletes were junior and provoked them against his former teammate Bagheri. Those weightlifters love Tavakkoli because he gave them so much freedom ! they could stay for the night, playing play station etc.

later we had some changes inside the federation and the new president probably didn't want to work with Tavakkoli but had no other option since they had only limitted time before the 2015 worlds which turned out to be disastrous for Iran ! thanks to his training, we got so many injured weightlifters. most importantly Mohammadpour and Salimi, Ironically they didn't fire Tavakoli after his poor results in USA, but they fired him few months later, only few months before Rio !

even though they appointed Anoushiravani as the head coach but they also hired a Bulgarian coach probably to supervise him.

^^

Iran has to lose 8-0 to Oman to get eliminated. I think they are pretty safe.

the real competition is the next round

It seems we have to consider one quota for China in each weight they are unbeatable so far and even their unknown boxers are beating former world medalists. no stream but we know how things work in boxing so I think Navi and Gholami are already out as they have to face China in next round.

After losing few times in quarterfinals (mostly 15-14) Abedini finally made it to the semifinal (and later to the final) in a Grand Prix (or World Cup) event and with this he made history to win Iran's first ever medal in this level of competition.

he also qualified himself and his teammate Pakdaman for Rio

17 hours ago, JoshMartini007 said:

How did Papua New Guinea get the 3 seed in the -75kg? He's not event the best boxer in Oceania.

nope, per this ranking (which is stupid IMO) he is the 3rd seed

http://d152tffy3gbaeg.cloudfront.net/2015/09/1-mens-7.pdf

btw, we already lost one boxer ! and another one barely beat Papua New Guinea !! I think even one quota will be a good result for such a weak team. I hope Mehrabi makes it at least.

The only new sport for Iran can be Volleyball, if they qualify in Japan !

we could debut in Handball if it wasn't a world selection team called Qatar

they are trying their chance in Slalom Canoeing and Beach Volleyball but no realistic chance.

4 minutes ago, MantaRaymarc said:

Kindly post the FB link for easier access. Thanks!

here

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9 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

WC is something different than the World Championships which had a shitload of positives already?

no I mean the same ! after months, finally they are releasing their final verdict, this guy was the first one

check here for the sanctions

http://www.iwf.net/anti-doping/sanctions/

and this for the updated results

http://www.iwf.net/results/results-by-events/?event=341

And finally we have the first confirmed positive test from 2015 WC. BAZARBAYEV Umurbek of Turkmenistan.

Draws are out for Asian Boxing Qualification tourney. you can find them on ASBC facebook account.

none of our boxers will face Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan before the semifinal which means they can't complain ! but since the whole team is in terrible situation I will be happy with two quotas. best chances are in 75, +91.and maybe 91.

1 hour ago, dareza said:

So,Russia-Italy and Greece-USA will be first place in groups.

if I understand the rules correctly, if RUS and ITA finish tied with less than 8 goals, NED will top the group

btw, in general tie breaking is a bit complicated in this sport

if they finish 9-9, their match against the winner of FRA/GER match determine the group winner lol

Page 60, here

http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/fina_wp_referees_manual.pdf

Serbia might get a gold medal after all, rumor says Islambek Albiev is also in the list, actually almost the whole Greco-Roman team.

but again these are still rumors, even though very serious rumors.

1 minute ago, DaniSRB said:

who will get  Semenov's medal from EC?

Usually, Amoyan will take the gold, Islamov the silver and Fris the bronze medal

 bust still remember these news are still unofficial

based on my researches so far, here is the list of Russian wrestlers who failed the drug test to far, all of them accomplished wrestlers in Greco-Roman

1) Artem Surkov

2) Mingiyan Semenov

3) Davit Chakvetadze

4) Evgeny Saleev

5) Stepan Maryanyan

6) Sergey Semenov

except the last name, the rest are famous, Surkov, M, Semenov and Saleev are World or Olympic medalists while Maryanyan and Chakvetadze are European champions

now it comes to wrestling !

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-wrestling-russia-idUSKCN0WO0ZG

A bit about selection process:

in Athletics and Boxing, whoever wins the quota should to go Rio without any question

in Archery, Shooting, whoever wins the quota most probably will be sent to Rio,

in Taekwondo, those who qualified through ranking can only be replaced by someone in top 20, in this case Iran has athletes in top 20 in all 3 weights but coaches made it clear than Ashourzadeh, Khodabakhshi and Mardani will go to Rio unless they get injured.

in Cycling, they will announce them after the Cycling season in Iran,

in Weightlifting, they will announce the team few weeks before the games, right now they have 15 weightlifters in the camp but likes of Rostami and Moradi are already safe.

in Wrestling, they had series of trial events and after that they announced a very short list of wrestlers for the final trials in April. in freestyle it will be mostly between two wrestlers in each weight except for 86kg where 4 wrestlers are in the list. also in 125kg they won the quota just today, I'm 99% sure it will be a wrestle-off between Hadi and Ghasemi. in Greco-Roman Abdevali is already selected, we will have a wrestle-off in 98kg and in 85kg, there are 6 wrestlers in the list to wrestle for the spot. beside that they won the 66kg quota just today, I will wait to know their decision about it.

Rio 2016 Olympic Team

Archery (1)

Women's Individual - Zahra Nemati

Athletics (10)

Men's 100m - Hassan Taftian

Men's 100m - Reza Ghasemi

Men's Marathon - Mohammad Jafar Moradi

Men's 20km Walk - Hamid Reza Zouravand

Men's Long Jump - Mohammad Arzandeh

Men's Discus Throw - Ehsan Haddadi

Men's Discus Throw - Mahmoud Samimi

Men's Hammer Throw - Pejman Ghalehnoei

Men's Hammer Throw - Kaveh Mousavi

Women's Shot Put - Leila Rajabi

Boxing (1)

Men's 81kg - Ehsan Rouzbahani

Canoeing Sprint (1)

Men's C1 200m - Adel Mojallali

Cycling Road (3)

Men's Road Race and Individual Time Trial - Ghader Mizbani

Men's Road Race - Arvin Moazzami

Men's Road Race - Samad Pourseyedi

Fencing (2)

Men's Individual Sabre - Mojtaba Abedini

Men's Individual Sabre - Ali Pakdaman

Judo (3)

Men's 66kg - Alireza Khojasteh

Men's 81kg - Saeid Mollaei

Men's 100kg - Javad Mahjoub

Rowing (1)

Women's Single Sculls - Mahsa Javar

Shooting (5)

Men's 10m Air Rifle, Men's 50m Rifle Prone and Men's 50m Rifle 3 Positions - Pouria Norouzian

Women's 10m Air Rifle - Elaheh Ahmadi

Women's 10m Air Rifle and Women's 50m Rifle 3 Positions - Najmeh Khedmati

Women's 50m Rifle 3 Positions - Mahlagha Jambozorg

Women's 10m Air Pistol, Women's 25m Pistol - Golnoush Sebghatollahi

Swimming (1)

Men's 200m Breaststroke - Aria Nasimi Shad

Table Tennis (3)

Men's Singles - Nima Alamian

Men's Singles - Noshad Alamian

Women's Singles - Neda Shahsavari

Taekwondo (4)

Men's 58kg - Farzan Ashourzadeh

Men's 80kg - Mehdi Khodabakhshi

Men's +80kg - Sajjad Mardani

Women's 57kg - Kimia Alizadeh

Volleyball (12)

Men's Team

Weightlifting (5)

Men's 85kg - Kianoush Rostami

Men's 94kg - Ali Hashemi

Men's 94kg - Sohrab Moradi

Men's 105kg - Mohammad Reza Barari

Men's +105kg - Behdad Salimi

Wrestling (12)

Men's 57kg Freestyle - Hassan Rahimi

Men's 65kg Freestyle - Meisam Nassiri

Men's 74kg Freestyle - Hassan Yazdani

Men's 86kg Freestyle - Alireza Karimi

Men's 97kg Freestyle - Reza Yazdani

Men's 125kg Freestyle - Komeil Ghasemi

Men's 59kg Greco-Roman - Hamid Sourian

Men's 66kg Greco-Roman - Omid Norouzi

Men's 75kg Greco-Roman - Saeid Abdevali

Men's 85kg Greco-Roman - Habibollah Akhlaghi

Men's 98kg Greco-Roman - Ghasem Rezaei

Men's 130kg Greco-Roman - Bashir Babajanzadeh