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Here are the draws for both men's Wrestling World Cups this year

Greco-Roman

Group A

Russia

Belarus

Germany

Kazakhstan

Group B

Azerbaijan

Turkey

Ukraine

Iran

Freestyle

Group A

Russia

Georgia

Turkey

Mongolia

Group B

Iran

Azerbaijan

India

United States

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I wonder which countries will take World Cup serious this year, Iran will send almost a full team to both Cups, I say almost because some stars will be missing, the legendary Sourian won't be there in this home World Cup in Shiraz. while in freestyle Reza Yazdani won't be there because of his injury and we may have few more stars missing.

most countries were busy with Olympic qualifiers this year , I expect a weaker World Cup this year, in Greco it will be probably between Iran and Russia (Russia usually takes Greco World Cup serious unlike freestyle) while in freestyle like in past few year it will be between Iran and USA unless Russia sends a good team.

13 hours ago, kapil857 said:

 

I think the only way IND and ROU get it is if UKR and BLR somehow get a clean chit...a bit unfortunate from an Indian point of view considering how our wrestler Hitender bossed both Iliev (pinned in under a minute) and Gagloev (defeated 5-0) in the repechage rounds...

 

Also, worth noting that UWW have not yet come out with their article summarizing the results and quotas of the day for the freestyle competition. Might be because of these doping issues...

Yes that's true if you ask me. by my understanding IND will qualify only if Ukrainian guy Zaseev comes clean.

You were right about the article, they finally published that without saying anything about 125kg qualifiers !

still you never can be sure with these guys. they can take any possible (or even impossible) decisions to surprise everybody !

I was thinking UWW also can solve this mess from another point of view. maybe they'll take the highest unqualified country from back at the Euro Qualifier where the crime took place

in this case David Safaryan (ARM) is the other bronze medalist who can qualify in place of UKR at 66

but for 120kg, they need two unqualified wrestlers while one of bronze medalists qualified later, in this case Iliev (BUL) will take one of the spots. Gagloev (SVK) and Arzoumanidis (GRE) both finished 5th, Gagloev has 1 classification point while the Greek has zero.

after all I don't think it makes sense to give those spots to bronze medalists from this last tournament ! that was European quota and European countries should get it but you never know, UWW can surprise everybody !

2 hours ago, africaboy said:

Very good predictions  more than 80% - congrats !

Yeah actually 8 out of 12. I didn't expect that myself, I would be happy even with half of that probably.

So far we have 5 positive drug tests in these qualifiers, all of them in freestyle which is surprising ! let's see what should happen here "Per Rules" even though rules are not clear about this .

* that Egyptian guy in African qualifier won't be a big problem, they will most prbably give the quota to the bronze medalist from GBS

* Ukraine quota in women's 58kg freestyle will most probably go to Moldova, bronze medalist

But situation is more complicated for remaining 3 spots

* Ukraine won quota in men's 65kg FS, if they disqualify him his quota will go to Georgia, but Georgia also qualified in Mongolia . if they want to go through the rules, his quota will go to Novachkov (BUL), who also qualified today !! bronze medalist today Molinaro (USA) will get his spot.

* in 125kg , both Euro finalists tested positive, so both bronze medalists should qualify, Iliev (BUL) and Ligeti (HUN), but the problem is Ligeti also qualified in Mongolia. in Mongolia Iliev (BUL) finished 4th and if they considered him "Already qualified" we have to take a look at both 5th placers Greece and Kyrgyzstan to see which one has more classification points Arzoumanidis has 6 while Lazarev has 15 which means KGZ has to get the last quota.

of course this is a weird situation and UWW can take any possible decision to surprise us but what I wrote is the most logical call.

This Chinese guy is just amazing, destroying everybody including former world champ Aldatov ! I knew him for a while but he was in another level today.

1 hour ago, intoronto said:

Garcia lost to Romania in Mongolia, and Romania lost to Slovenia. So it will be tough for him to qualify.

 

Hopefully one of tagziev/gill/pineda qualify (or more) 

Yeah I remember that but wrestling is not logic, at the same tournament Garcia was the only one who really made problems for Batirov. while Batirov beat the rest (incudling Bucur and Habat) easily. yeah Garcia was terrible in repechage but it happens sometimes. btw considering his age , it will be hard for him against younger opponents.

btw some people already know that but I have to repeat David Habat is an American wrestler (from Slovenian heritage) nobody can underestimate him. the same goes to the Uruguayan guy in top half and also Abdurakhmanov of UZB at 74.

no chance for Gill he has Saritov in his half. Pineda has to beat 3-4 wrestlers better than himself, almost impossible. outside of Garcia I believe Tagziev has the best chance among the Canadians, with Ncube behind him. Tagziev's chance is even more because his first 3 matches are not supposed to be hard for him.

Here is my preview about freestyle draws

but first I have to say we have less depth in freestyle comparing to Greco-Roman which means the level of competition is quite low ! makes harder to predict, but still there are some great wrestlers not qualified yet.

59kg

I think in easier top half , the winner of Buruian-Atli match in first round will make it to Rio. can't see any other competition for them (maybe Ewald or the Chinese guy), Atli is slight favorite here.

in bottom half we have two very good wrestlers Shuptar and Andreyev. both world medalist, I think the quota will be between them but still we have the Kyrgyz guy, Mejias, Metreveli and a guy from Uzbekistan

I expect Turkey and Ukraine to qualify.

65kg

we have 32 wrestlers here ! still the top half is still easier despite having 16 wrestlers in each half ! it's hard to pick a clear favorite here becuase there are 4-5 good (but not great) wrestlers there , Garcia (CAN), Perpelita (MDA), Bucur (ROU) and Habat (SLO) all have chances here and maybe the guy from Kyrgyzstan. Bucur has a clean path to the semifinal. still I think Garcia has more chance.

we have Molinaro, Zhumagaziyev, Novachkov, Safaryan, Radulov, Nurykov and few more good wrestlers from Japan, France and Korea here. it's really hard to pick someone they are all at the same level. Novachkov might even got the quota if they disqualify the Ukrainian wrestlers. on other hand Radulov (UKR) is very good but he is probably not prepared as a last minute entry. Safaryan is a former world champion.

I expect Canada and Belarus to qualify.

74kg

out of remaining wrestlers, I see only Rashid Kurbanov as a serious medal treat in Rio and he is not here ! Uzbekistan is sending Abdurakhmanov (raised in USA , world bronze medalist) here, he is the top favorite in top half, have an easy path to quarterfinal probably against China, his semifinal will be probably against Ukraine or Germany, I consider Ukraine as the second favorite behind him.

again there is no clear favorite in second half, but a bunch good wrestlers almost in the same level. Brzozowski, Sufiev, Ncube, Nagy, Friev, Grigoryan, even the new Belarus guy, beside all of them I'm curious to see this Uruguayan guy Palacio ! he is an American wrestler with Uruguay heritage. I won't surprise if he qualifies (still not a top favorite here) . really hard to pick one snce they are all at the same level. but I go with my favorite wrestler here , our Tajik friend.

I expect Uzbekistan and Tajikistan to qualify.

86kg

The biggest name here is a former world champion Aldatov. this is his last chance and I think he won't miss it.by saying that he still has some competition in top half. Ismanov in second round, Murtazaliev/Harth in Quarters and probably Ianulov (or Japan) in semifinal, I think Ianulov is the only real treat for him. he lost narrowly in Serbia.

bottom half is much easier this time, wide open for everybody. I had to check the list so many times to pick one ! if Tagziev survives his first match he has an easy way to the semifinal (I have no idea about the Russian guy of France but his CV doesn't look good) in the lower quarter I see Korea, Latvia, even FInland and Romania with chance, Stefan (ROU) used to be a good wrestler but did nothing special recently.

I expect Ukraine and South Korea to qualify.

97kg

Only in this weight , I didn't have hard time to pick two wrestlers ! Khudelbulga has a dream draw in top half. nobody serious on his way to the semifinal and there he only has to beat India or Germany to make it. Shala of Albania also can make a surprise here, this Mongolia guy was terrible at home two weeks ago which makes me give chance to those guys as well. still he is the clear favorite.

with Saritov around, this is useless to talk about the rest, he will qualify most probably, I think the only one who can challenge Saritov is Yanouksi, that will be a close mtch.

I expect Mongolia and Romania to qualify.

125kg

We have a very weird situation here, 3 wrestlers are here while they shouldn't ! Ukraine and Belarus qualified the weight before but they are still here (and still not clear who will qualify instead of them) Brazilian guy Jaoude also qualified in Greco-Roman but still he is trying his chance (which is an absolute ZERO) in freestyle they have a naturalized Armenian wrestler who will probably take his place in Greco-Roman. I won't surprise if they simply qualify all top 4 wrestlers here, so it's better for everybody to take bronze medal matches serious ! but if they want to give spot to someone Iliev of BUL deserved it more, but he is still here !

OK let's back to the competition without considering all these crazy things.we have some surprising names in top half, Saidov (BLR) and Krupnyakv (KGZ) !! both from Russia, both considered be a big name in 97kg, both once got banned for doping. Saidov was the biggest nobody ! I heard so many things about him and now he has to qualify the weight AGAIN for Belarus. we also have Chintoan and Matuhin here, plus Vivenes.

in bottom half it will be between the new guy of Ukraine, Greece and Slovakia. and maybe Iliev.

I expect Belarus and Ukraine to qualify again

Damn, I just found another one ! Belarus also has a rep at 125 ! Ibragim Saidov ! which means Jalilov also failed in Serbia ! both 125 finalists, which secures a quota for Iliev (BUL) here.

I have to check if there are more

4 minutes ago, dcro said:

 

And what will happen if Ukraine qualifies again in 125kg and it turns out that Zaseev B sample comes negative?

haha that will make a mess

I just found another one ! they also have a rep at 65kg ! means Kvyatkovskyi also failed a test (apparently all 3 of them failed on Meldonium)

again the Georgian guy who finished 3rd qualified later in Mongolia

they have 3 options now

1) 5th place finish in Serbia, Arzoumanidis (GRE)

2) the Other bronze medalist in Serbia, Safaryan (ARM)

3) 4th place in Mongolia Novachkov (BUL)

I wonder which one of these guys deserve it more ?!

in 125kg case

1) 5th place finish in Serbia, Gagloev (SVK)

2) the Other bronze medalist in Serbia, Iliev ( BUL )

3) 4th place in Mongolia , again Iliev ( BUL )

Interesting that Ukraine participated at 58kg despite winning the quota in Europe there is only one way to explain it, the girl failed the drug test but why Moldova is also wrestling here ? I think it's easy to find why, you know it's not a sure thing yet, still they have to test the B sample , hearing process etc, they couldn't deny Moldova's chance to be here, in case Ukrainian girl can survive the whole thing which is VERY unlikely.

btw I took a look at men's draw (will write about it later) I see Ukraine has a representative at 125kg, which means Zaseev failed a drug test ! what they want to do with that ?!!! Ligeti who will qualify in his place, already qualified himself in Mongolia ?! maybe Iliev from Bulgaria (finished 4th in MGL) will qualify instead ?! 

or maybe they can give it to Gagloev (SVK) who finished 5th in Europe behind Ligeti (actually didn't show up in bronze medal match) , lol poor guy that's why you always have to wrestle. even in this non-important bronze medal matches, one day you will need that bronze medal !

27 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

What happened with Hassler? He lost his semifinal, does he still have a chance?

Did someone watch the fights of Hassler and Eisele against the turkish guys and were those results fair? Its pretty stunning, that 3 of our 4 athletes had to fight against turkish guys today ...

 

Eisele lost fair and square

but Hassler match was another story, this match was held right after Basar-Kudla semifinal which was also controversial, at the score of 1-1 all Turks in stadium were expecting a caution for Germany but surprisingly Refs did the right thing and gave the caution to the Turk, things got ugly and their fans even threw few things to the mat. after that match refs had no other option to give the next one to Turkey !! I don't say it was a clear robbery but at the score of 4-2, Hassler was attacking for the entire 2nd period , still no cauton for Ildem, one caution could help Hassler to win the match by a turn 4-4.

2 minutes ago, ledon said:

which two and why?

haha, for personal reasons, I don't like cheaters .  let's not write the names the here.

wow Sourian is flying today, destroyed the American guy 8-0 in the final in just 36 seconds !! in general he didn't wrestle more than 5 minutes today !

57 minutes ago, dareza said:

7/12. Not bad at all

Yeah not bad at all, actually I'm happy at least two of my predictions came out wrong.

Yeah finally

where was this Sourian last month ? You can see how much mental preparation matters in sport. Sourian was just a shadow of himself in Kazakhstan and Mongolia but here after getting so many positive energy from inside country he just showed his true face. even though I have to admit his plan A just worked well here, he teched all his opponents in almost a minute ! I don't know what would happen in second period. now he has 100 days to prepare himself, he is still the best by far technically but in wrestling you have to be in shape physically as well.

also very thanks to Tsymbaliuk of Ukraine for beating the Israeli guy

now for the very first time we can have a full men's team in wrestling, I know some people are probably surprised to hear that ! but Iran was never a super power in Greco-Roman, we just became good in recent years thanks to coach Bana.

Sourian had another quick 8-0 win in a minute against Germany, his plan A is working so far

but most important the Israeli guy lost to Ukraine (the country of his origin) , man it was too nerve wrecking, Tsaryuk was leading 2-2 at some point and it was like he is going to win the match. now Sourian only hast to beat this Ukraine guy. on paper it doesn't look that hard.

btw the live stream is terrible they can't do even this simple thing

16 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

Would it been that much of a hurdle for greco roman wrestlers to switch to freestyle ? For the uneducated eye (again), the difference in techniques or physics doesn't seem that obvious.

oh yes they are totally different , there are some few rare examples of wrestlres switching styles , for example last year Bilyal Makhov won bronze in worlds in both styles but in general Greco-Roman is totally different thing, most attacks in freestyle are attacking to the leg which is illegal in Greco

^ That's not going to happen, yes that's true IOC recommended that long time ago back in 2004 if I'm not wrong but in general Greco-Roman is more popular around the world (not in my country though) specially in Europe. Lalovic (UWW president) himself is from Serbia, freestyle doesn't even exist in his country

And as expected the Egyptian guy from Bahrain didn't show up against Israel ! this is probably the only thing in common between Iran and this former part of Iran now called Bahrain !

3 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

From the comments here, the sport seems even more corrupt than boxing... 

 

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And at least, boxing is somehow entertaining to the non educated eye

 

nope nothing can beat Boxing

but the difference is the judging isn't that easy in boxing which opens the door for so many corruption  , while in wrestling it's not that hard. we have less problems in freestyle while in Greco-Roman there are still so many corruption because of not clear rules

Feel sorry for Roman Amoyan, got robbed against (guess who) Turkish wrestler. poor guy was attacking for the entire match but no caution for Turkey as expected

Well, only 16 seconds ! quick win by Chunayev. that's weird Etlinger wasn't aware of Chunayev's favorite technique and easily let him do it

And don't forget Kazakhstan, they even managed to buy athletes from professional buyers like Azerbaijan and Turkey  Nijat Rahimov World Champion in weightlifting, or a taekwondo girl from Turkey who won the quota.

2 minutes ago, DaniSRB said:

how many events left until qualification period ends?

this one in Baku, one Grand Prix in Kazakhstan and a Masters competition, the last one doesn't probably matter since only top 16 can participate , which means we already know the list of qualified athletes after Kazakh Grand Prix

5 minutes ago, Gianlu33 said:

@MHSN For you italian athletes have any chance (Timoncini and Caneva) ?

No chance for Caneva or other Italian male wrestlers except Timoncini. he had his chance in Mongolia, after winning 3 close matches (two of them just 1-1) he should qualify. but now I think he is tired and probably disappointed , I don't give him a big chance but he is not completely without chance . but he has to beat 4 wrestlers almost in his own level. his chance is something like 10-15%.

btw Parisi was good in Mongolia and almost beat the Georgian (he was leading before I had to change the mat and didn't see how he lost ) but with this draw I don't give him any chance. and we in Iran hope your Manea do us a big favor and beat the Israeli guy in first round