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This is interesting that countries announce official target for the Olympics, they never do such things in Iran, predication maybe but promised goals no. this time they are talking about winning 4-6 medals !!! back in London they were talking about the same number of medals but we ended up winning 12 they always just want to lower the expectations.

Just now, zob79 said:

 

At 97 kg we have a former Russian, Albert Saritov, who was granted Romanian citizenship this year. I've never seen him compete; do you know him? how would you rate him?

of course I know him very well, he used to wrestle in Iranian league as well. I would rank him 7 or 8 behind those top 4, Ketoev (ARM), Odikadze (GEO) and whoever Ukraine sends.

this is a tough weight with so many Russian wrestlers wrestling for other countries , beside Saritov, we have Gazyumov (AZE), Musaev (KGZ), Ibragimov (UZB), another bragimov (KAZ) and Ketoev (ARM), they are all from Russia !!!! with these 6 and Boltukaev we will have 7 Russian wrestlers in the competition !

if you ask me he has a chance for medal, specially with this random draw but he is small for this weight, I don't give him chance for the gold but a medal is possible for him with a good draw.

Just now, zob79 said:

 

How good is Boltukaev?

Very good, he just ate Gatsalov (multiple times world champion) alive in Russian nationals, he beat the current world champion Kyle Snyder and the current Olympic champion Jake Varner in Yarygin tourney this year.

even though there are 4 big names fighting for medals in this weight, Boltukaev, Gazyumov, Snyder and our Yazdani. of course there are 4-5 more other good wrestlers but these 4 are the favorites.

1 hour ago, heywoodu said:

Lebedev? So him saying he wouldn't go because he won the Russian champs unfairly was just a load of crap...

 

Btw, what do you think about Ramonov's chances? I won't ask about Sadulaev, I think it's clear he's the huge favourite.

I never bought it, most probably just a poor translation. cheating is a part of their culture, they will never be sorry of that.

Ramonov is one of the favorites at 65kg, but this is probably the most unpredictable weights in freestyle with so many favorites. if I had to pick someone it would be between Ramonov and Chamizo but both of them can be beaten by other wrestlers. also we have to wait to see if UWW allows Gadzhiev (POL) to compete or not, they took his quota because of using meldonium but didn't ban him !!!! his case is active in CAS now. he will be as good as Ramonov as Chamizo.

That will be a huge huge surprise if Sadulaev doesn't win the gold, he is just too good ! after him I give more chances to Boltukaev for the gold, he is a monster. Ramonov is probably their 3rd chance, I also give good chance to Gedeuv, he is damn good but the problem is he has to beat Burroughs , the second best freestyle wrestler in the world right now. they had a close match in Las Vegas but I expect Burroughs to be more prepared this time.

Russia freestyle team for Rio

57 Viktor Lebedev

65 Soslan Ramonov

74 Ainuar Geduev

86 Abdulrashid Sadulaev

97 Anzor Boltukaev

125 Bilyal Makhov

23 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

 

Wait, 234kg and 1kg above Ilyin's record? Am I missing something or is that a huge sign for him dominating in Rio?  (I don't know, are these kind of competitions at their actual body weight or are they maybe a bit heavier there?) 

 

 

well this is not surprising for me ! actually I'm a bit surprised by his poor snatch, even though snatch is always tricky, sometimes you miss a weight you usually can lift easily. I think I said before that he will be the clear favorite for the gold in Rio. probably Iran's best chance in all sports. IWF already banned most of his serious opponents.

as far as I know our new coach prefers to keep them near the actual body weight, he did participate in Fajr Cup and Pan American Champs few weeks ago , so I guess he is somewhere near the competition weight.

today we had a competition between weightlifters to determine the national team for the Olympics, coach will announce the team soon but here is the result , not impressing at all.

Ayoub Mousavi (85) 165+200=365 (162X 162X 165 / 200 210X 211X)

Ali Hashemi (94) 175+no mark ! (172X 175 180X / 212X 212X 215X)

Sohrab Moradi (94) 180+234=414 (180 185X 188X / 220 234 -)

Mohammad Reza Barari (105) 180+220=400 (180 185X 185X / 220 225X 225X )

Bahador Molaei (+105) 190+240=430 (190 195X 195X / 240 252X -)

Kianoush Rostami (85) is training separately in another city (in Tehran) and wasn't even there to compete and Behdad Salimi decided to not.

Moradi's 234kg rcord is 1kg higher than Ilya Ilyin current world record. still his snatch wasn't impressing by his standards, still he will be clear favorite for gold in Rio. others didn't impress at all. specially Barari and Hashemi they lifted even less than their Fajr Cup results ! Bahador has improved by 20kg which is a good sign, still he needs 10 more kilos to compete for a medal in Rio.

I think they will drop Mousavi for sure, Rostami, Moradi and Salimi are already selected. the last 2 spots are between Hashemi, Barari and Molaei

Chinese team according to some rumors, not official

56 Long Qingquan
62 Chen Lijun
69 Shi Zhiyong
77 Lu Xiaojun
85 Tian Tao
105 Yang Zhe

48 Zou Zhihui
53 Li Yajun
63 Deng Wei
69 Xiang Yangmei

interesting if they send someone at 105 ! it seems they also want to benefit from possible ban on RUS/KAZ/BLR athletes.

7 hours ago, heywoodu said:

As you know I'm not an expert, but in wrestling basically every Iranian that participates at least has something of a medal chance right? I mean, obviously not everyone is the main favourite, but they're all at least in the top-10 favourites in their weight classes aren't they? 

Yes of course. in wrestling and taekwondo anybody from Iran is a medal treat.

History tells us to count on everybody in wrestling, sometimes when our bigger names fail, the others come and win medals, back in London , Komeil Ghasemi was a nobody who barely made the team in last days but he won bronze after losing to the gold medalist narrowly (by ball draw) but realistically our chance is very slim to win medal in some weights , 130kg Greco, 65kg freestyle.

in general we will have a better team in Greco-Roman, they are all experienced, all of them have won world/olympic medals before, 4 of them World/Olympic Champion but the thing is Greco-Roman is much more unpredictable, while in freestyle we know there are only 4-5 wrestlers to worry about in each weight. in Greco everybody can be dangerous.

even though we still have to wait for the coach to announce the team , but this is most probably our Greco team, this is interesting we exactly send the same 6 guys to London and they won 3 gold medals for us !

59: Hamid Sourian

66: Omid Norouzi

75: Saeid Abdevali

85: Habibollah Akhlaghi

98: Ghasem Rezaei

130: Bashir Babajanzadeh

only Sourian and Abdevali are officially selected. and I can say Akhlaghi as well, because his rival Nouri was TERRIBLE in international competitions. he beat Akhlaghi 3 times this year but he is only good against Akhlaghi apparently !! Norouzi has a rival in Zeidvand, who won Polish tourney recently beating the World Champion from South Korea. still I think coach Bana will pick Norouzi 90%. the same goes to Rezaei at 98, Mehdi Aliyari won the Polish tourney (even though nto in a convincing way),

the only serious question is in 130kg, Ghasemi-Monjazi won the quota but he lost to Babajanzadeh in Poland, but narrowly. it's really hard to pick any of them, even though I think this is our weakest weight, I believe Bana will pick BBJZ eventually but Ghasemi-Monjazi would be my pick, at least he can do crazy things sometimes.

now we almost know our squad in freestyle wrestling, yesterday we had trials in the last weight 125kg, which was controversial,

57: Hassan Rahimi

65: Meisam Nassiri

74: Hassan Yazdani

86: Alireza Karimi

97: Reza Yazdani

125: Komeil Ghasemi

That was really sad to lose Ahmad Mohammadi at 65, probably our best chance for gold in freestyle wrestling after his injury they forced him to wrestle in trials ,he lost, he was terrible at the World Cup and Armenia tourney was his last chance, again he lost to a random Armenian guy. Nasiri is just average, I highly doubt he can medal in Rio. even though he has his chances, there is no clear favorite in this weight.

realistically, Hassan Rahimi is our best chance for gold now but even for him nothing is guaranteed, we know he chokes sometime, I would also consider Reza Yazdani a gold medal favorite but we don't know about his shape after his injury, he didn't wrestle anywhere since then. if he is healthy he indeed has a good chance. we have good chance at 74 and 86 for medal, our wrestlers are good , very good but the thing is there are some legendary wrestlers in those weights, like Burroughs and Sadulaev, almost impossible to beat.

I don't know what to expect from Komeil, he is unpredictable, he almost lost the spot to Hadi but they made him wrestle once again , this time Komeil won narrowly. gold medal is almost impossible for him but he can medal at least

A bit early to predict, we still even don't know our squad in important sports. if IOC/IWF bans Russia/Kazakhstan and Belarus this will benefit Iran a lot. but I expect 5-6 in wrestling, 3 in Taekwondo and 3-4 in weightlifting. which means something around 11 plus one more in another sport. (hopefully)

so I would say 12. the exact number of 2012. even though I have to admit this is a bit optimistic.

I think UWW still has some problems with wrestlers they disqualified so quick , some of those wrestlers who "qualified" through qualifiers and later got disqualified by UWW are participating in international competition ! which means they are not banned.apparently they had less than enough meldonium to be banned and they turned to CAS to overturn UWW's decision. in this case UWW will probably give them those "wild cards"

IWF disqualified more names from 2015 worlds. out of all positive A samples only one of them (Al-Saleem, KSA) is still undecided. the rest already got disqualified from the results list.

In this new list, they disqualified all positives from Kazakhstan, North Korea and Belarus including Kydyrbayev, Uteshov and both Kims from PRK

Quota number 60 for Iran. Mohammad Arzandeh, High Jump

once again Kazakhstan track did magic

Just now, dcro said:

There are 13 quotas, not 11. And nobody knows for sure. They should go to the unqualified nations, but it's very much up to IWF and how are they going to interpret the qualification system.

the number will be less if they disqualify RUS/BLR/KAZ completely

even though on other hand I think we will have unused quota for individual ranking qualifiers as well

13 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

I would say the complete ban for Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia will enter after Rio. If it is before Rio the removed quota would be useless for these countries?  

That's a different story, those countries lost those 1-2 quotas because of their positive samples after "2015 Worlds" which is confirmed now, IWF had to announce it since that case is apparently closed now.

but KAZ/BLR/RUS will be banned if they have more than 3 doped weightlifters in 2008/2012 Olympics. this case is still not finalized.

by saying that I'm not sure if they will be banned after or before Rio, just saying these are two different stories

Just now, Dragon said:

Also you remember IWF said there were 10 positives from 2008? So far they only reveal 7...

Well the main source for that was an Iranian news website which I translated here. they also said there is an Iranian among them which was wrong, so I say let's not fully trust Iranian sites, they suck when they translate something.

IWF added more names to the list of "confirmed" bans from 2015 worlds , they are all from Moldova except Lovchev, who lost his gold medal and his world record

LOVCHEV Aleksei

BULAT Iurie

PIPA Artiom

DUDOGLO Ghenadie

And IWF now published the list of 2008 positives. again Ilyin !

• KHURSHUDYAN, Hripsime (ARM) – Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• DUDOGLO, Alexandru (MDA) – Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• EVSTYUKHINA, Nadezda (RUS) – dehydrochlormethyltestosterone metabolites (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• TAYLAN, Nurcan (TUR) – Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• SHAINOVA, Marina (RUS) – Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone metabolites and stanozolol metabolites (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• ZAIROV, Intigam (AZE) – Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone (S1.1 Anabolic agents) – Remains suspended due to previous IWF sanction until 21.12.2023
• ILYIN, Ilya (KAZ) – Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents) – Remains provisionally suspended

only 3 of them finished on podium, Ilyin, Shainova and Evstyukhina.

And Syrian boxer didn't show up against Israel at 81kg. no surprise.

Just now, De_Gambassi said:

 

Which was ?

whoever loses to the gold medalist in quarterfinal will be considered as 5th placer and so on !

Again the same stupid live scoring system, if you miss a match , you have to wait till the end of the session (or even the day) to have the result in PDF !

I highly doubt we can win a quota here. but Golara won his first bout against Tunisia.

btw when I look at the schedule  I can't see matches for 5th placers. I wonder how they are going to determine the 5th placers ?! using the same format as 2012 ?!!

here is the new medal distribution if IWF/IOC officially disqualify all of them

Aukhadov (Silver 85)

Rostami (IRN) Bronze ==> Silver

Yehia (EGY) 4th ==> Bronze

Ilyin (Gold 94)

Ivanov (RUS) Silver ==> Gold

Ciricu (MDA) Bronze ==> Silver

Demanov (RUS) 4th ==> Bronze

Chinshanlo (Gold 53)

Hsu (TPE) Silver ==> Gold

Iovu (MDA) Bronze ==> Silver

Febrianti (INA) 4th ==> Bronze

Kalina (Bronze 58)

Gulnoi (THA) 4th ==> Bronze

Maneza (Gold 63)

Tsarukaeva (RUS) Silver ==> Gold

Girard (CAN) Bronze ==> Silver

Simsek (TUR) 4th ==> Bronze

Shkermankova (Bronze 69)

Nurmukhambetova (KAZ) 5th ==> Bronze

Podobedova (Gold 75)

Zabolotnaya (RUS) Silver ==> Gold

Kulesha (BLR) Bronze ==> Silver

Valentin (ESP) 4th ==> Bronze

* Some of these athletes who are supposed to get a better medal later tested positive for doping. so I have a feeling IOC/IWF will leave some (or even all) of those medals blank and won't give them to anybody.

now it's official, fortunately no Iranians are among them

The IWF reports that as a consequence of the IOC’s reanalyses of samples from the 2012 London Olympic Games, the samples of the following Athletes have returned Adverse Analytical Findings:

• AUKHADOV, Apti (RUS) – Dehydrochloromethyltestosterone, Drostanolone (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• KOSTOVA, Boyanka (AZE) – Dehydrochloromethyltestosterone, Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• PODOBEDOVA, Svetlana (KAZ) – Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• SAZANAVETS, Dzina (BLR) – Drostanolone, Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• SHKERMANKOVA, Maryna (BLR) – Dehydrochloromethyltestosterone, Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• KALINA, Yuliya (UKR) – Dehydrochloromethyltestosterone (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• ZHARNASEK, Yauheni (BLR) – Dehydrochloromethytestosterone, Stanozolol, Oxandrolone (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• MANEZA, Maiya (KAZ) – Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• ILYIN, Ilya (KAZ) – Dehydrochloromethyltestosterone, Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)
• CHINSHANLO, Zulfiya (KAZ) – Oxandrolone, Stanozolol (S1.1 Anabolic agents)

10 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Last question, for now

 

How is Salimi doing these days? I saw he lifted 430kg in Tehran, but I'm not sure how to interpret that: A) He's gettng back after injury and starting to get in shape or B) he's still injured and it's not looking good.

 

 

 

Lot of questions these days but I'm trying to vastly improve my 'knowledge' for when the Olympics start  

lol feel free to ask whenever you want

The answer is A. his 205kg in snatch was surprising for me and he did it quite easily, but in CJ he just didn't push himself , his knee is still recovering and if you watch the video he simply didn't try his usual "Jerk" technique, he tried "squat jerk" which is really hard in heavier weights, he just didn't want to risk his knee right now. I think if he wanted he could Jerk 240 that day , 445-450 is a very good result for him right now and if he improves with the same rate I consider him a favorite even for the gold.

to be honest I didn't expect him to be that good . 430 is a low record but as I said he could life 20kg more if he wanted to risk his knee.