[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

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Stock while you still can 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Agger said:

 

Even as a pretty Eurocentric historian, I know that the movie doesn't show how the South looked in the 1860s. It's a rather romanticized picture of the situation and especially the slavery (and later freemen).

 

Well, romanticized or not, people still had more liberal views towards slavery back then. If anything, it was a part of their economy, so it was a part of history. Although, speaking of GWTW, I wouldn't say that picture is really about the slavery. It's set against such backdrop, but mainly it is about a love story with a touch of woman against the world theme.

 

Another way of rewriting history is making period pieces in which the characters have modern values and behave as if they travelled through time. Modern Hollywood sure does love that.

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5 hours ago, Monzanator said:

 

All fine and dandy but Democrats are more divided than anyone with their useless "moderate" vs "progressive" battle. This actually helps Trump the most.

Not a Democrat anymore, not my problem 

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3 hours ago, dcro said:

Great victory for censorship today, as HBO removed Gone with the Wind from their library.

 

How does this work exactly? Denial of the Holocaust is punishable by law in some places, while denial of the slavery is... encouraged?

 

I guess we should just pick-and-choose things we do like and remove stuff we don't. We can all live in our own private little fairytales! That's basically the message these HBO minds are sending.

It will be returned soon, but it will have an explanation of historical context accompanying it now. 

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3 hours ago, heywoodu said:

We're also in a new Middle Ages, were statues have to be torn down apparently (which in some cases is not necessarily a bad thing toward the person of whom a statue was made, but it's dangerous to just try and erase history like that).

 

gubay lenin

 

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3 hours ago, heywoodu said:

We're also in a new Middle Ages, were statues have to be torn down apparently (which in some cases is not necessarily a bad thing toward the person of whom a statue was made, but it's dangerous to just try and erase history like that). If this keeps going this way, it's a matter of time before centuries old churches and mosques are burned down as well due to their slave connections, which again from a historical perspective is just not good at all. 

Statues aren’t history. I don’t know when people started thinking that, but it just simply isn’t all that true. I don’t visit a statue to learn history; I visit a statue to honor the person it’s of. We shouldn’t have statues of people who killed thousands of natives, traded thousands of slavers for profit, fought to keep slavery as an institution, etc. In the 21st century we should have advanced far enough as a society to realize what these people did was incredibly wrong.

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2 hours ago, Monzanator said:

Yeah, Gone with the Wind is politicially incorrect it seems Americans have no idea how to accept their slavery past so it seems like they figured out they will pretend it never existed?

 

Btw, only Catholic churches will be burned down, if you burn down a mosque then you'll be labelled as anti-semitic

This is absolutely true. Some people want to pretend it didn’t happen, and others want it taught more in school.

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54 minutes ago, Federer91 said:

No, but after the police is dissolved, they won't be necessary. Everyone will have the chance to take and do whatever they want. Final stages of pure democracy for the history books. If history books are still being allowed that is.  

I love how fatalistic y’all are. It really cracks me up sometimes. We’re still going to have criminal justice. We’re still going to have some type policing. We’re just remodeling the way we think about all of that. I don’t think we’ll dissolve into a lawless nation.

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1 hour ago, heywoodu said:

I know, but there was this huge moment in the Middle Ages where tons of statues were destroyed (the Storm of Statues, which I thought was more of a European thing than a Dutch/Belgian thing than it apparently was  ).

 

Statues of people who did literally nothing but slave trading could of course easily be removed, but I doubt they'll put them where they belong: in a museum, where people can learn about it. And we're going in a way where literally everything with any tiny bit of connection to racism, slave trade or other dark parts of history is taken away. It's not how I see them, but I wouldn't be surprised if churches are targets due to the roles played in genocide and such (a Columbus statue is already torn down), mosques due to the slavery issues, and so on.

 

Personally I prefer the examples of statues of people with a dark past, where in later years they added a plaque or something with an explanation about said dark past. Then you make very clear that this person has had contributions (because they generally did) but also was involvd in things we now find very bad.

 

Unfortunately, it's not how the mainstream media works. Good vs evil sells, while the notion of people having multiple sides to them usually gets left behind. Just like nobody is all-good, no person is all-bad either.

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It’s always interesting the see issues which @heywoodu takes a stand on. So far it’s the destruction of a few statues made for bad people, and the destruction of businesses that have profited off marginalized communities.