Dennis

Kramer will go. They will give him a spot for the team pursuit if he doesn't qualify based on the matrix. That's what I think.

Verbij finished 3rd, N'tab 2nd.

Scheperkamp!

This happened. Schouten, De Jong and Achtereekte are the top 3.

Carlijn Achtereekte leads the 3.000m by 0.01 in front of youngster Merel Conijn with one pair to go. Conijn might miss the Olympics on 0.01.

We’ve just unwrapped our Christmas presents, now we’re watching speed skating with the family before having Christmas dinner together. Typical Dutch Christmas

This is looking good for Kramer Edit: spoke too soon. Snellink!

Hahaha, you're right. Speedskatingresults.com was throwing me off. https://speedskatingresults.com/index.php?p=3&e=24596&r=20003 Could be the suits, or maybe he's finally found a way to be in his best shape in the second half of the season.

Patrick Roest skated a 3:35 on a 3.000m during a training competition in Heerenveen. That looks like a world record to me, but I'm not sure.

I'm not @heywoodu, but I can answer this too. Professional sports can continue, but without spectators. So the trials will be held, just in an empty skating hall. EDIT: Sorry, for some reason I totally missed the posts on this page and did not notice heywoodu had already replied.

He still lost though

In 2018. Norway gave up an event quota in the men's 500m and the quota from Russia were taken away because of the doping scandal. Four reserves replaced them. So keep your hopes up.

Some countries only have 1 skater who met the qualification time. So let's say Marten Liiv or Cornelius Kersten gets injured/COVID or they decide to focus only on the 1.000m (unlikely), then there's no one from Estonia or GB who can replace him on the 500m. In that case, the quota will go to Nil Llop. On the 1.000m the same can happen with Mathias Vosté, Marten Liiv, Cornelius Kersten or potentially someone from .

In theory, there is a chance, but in practice I don't see that happen, unfortunately for Nil Llop.

You were a little quicker haha

17 event quotas (3x 500m/1000m/1500m/5000m, 2x 10000m/Mass Start + team pursuit), but only 9 skater quotas, so a maximum of 9 different Dutch male skaters can go to Beijing to compete. Today the national ice skating association (KNSB) has published how they will determine which 9 skaters will go. Once again, the Dutch association asked scientists from the University of Groningen to come up with these matrices. The matrix shows the selection order for the skater quotas, based on the distances on which the mathematicians believe the Dutch have the highest chance of earning a gold medal in Beijing. The top 6 highest ranked skaters in the final matrix will always go. It is very likely that the 7th and 8th highest ranked skater will also go and that the national association will select the number 9th based on who they think is the best fit for either the team pursuit or the mass start and who is not already part of the top 8 skaters. Selection order Men Women 1 #1 1.000m #1 5.000m 2 #1 5.000m #1 Mass Start 3 #1 1.500m #1 3.000m 4 #2 1.000m #2 3.000m 5 #1 10.000m #1 500m 6 #1 Mass Start #1 1.000m 7 #2 1.500m #1 1.500m 8 #1 500m #2 5.000m 9 #3 1.000m #2 1.500m 10 #3 1.500m #2 1.000m 11 #2 5.000m #3 3.000m 12 #2 10.000m #3 1.500m 13 #2 500m #3 1.000m 14 #3 5.000m #2 500m 15 #3 500m #3 500m For example, if we fill in the matrixes based the results of the national championships that were held in the last week of October, then they would select the following skaters: Selection order Men Women 1 Kai Verbij Irene Schouten 2 Jorrit Bergsma Irene Schouten 3 Thomas Krol Irene Schouten 4 Hein Otterspeer Antoinette de Jong 5 Jorrit Bergsma Jutta Leerdam 6 Bart Hoolwerf Jutta Leerdam 7 Kjeld Nuis Antoinette de Jong 8 Kai Verbij Sanne in 't Hof 9 Thomas Krol Ireen Wüst 10 Chris Huizinga Femke Kok 11 Patrick Roest Carlijn Achtereekte 12 Patrick Roest Jutta Leerdam 13 Dai Dai N'tab Ireen Wüst 14 Marwin Talsma Femke Kok 15 Hein Otterspeer Michelle de Jong Green = 100% sure based on results during trials, Yellow = very likely based on trials, but could potentially be replaced by another skater to improve the team pursuit/mass start team, Red = will probably be replaced, Black = not qualified based on trials, but can be manually selected by the national association. Grey = also fills in a higher spot in the matrix, so this result doesn't count

The video is unavailable for me. What race was it?

Exactly. Belgium for example has 6 quotas on the mens side but only 2 skaters to fill in those 6 spots (Swings/Vosté). Czech Republic has 7 quotas on the womens side, but only 2 skaters who will normally fill in those quotas (Sablikova/Zdrahalova) So on the womens side I foresee no issues, probably around 77-78 different skaters will fill in those quota. On the mens side, I think the total number will be around 87-90. That’s why I was wondering if they would use the unused quota from the women, but there is no rule about that.

97 different skaters won at least one spot for their NOC

Maximum number of athletes per NOC: Country Women Men Total 9 9 18 8 8 16 8 8 16 8 7 15 8 7 15 8 5 13 6 6 12 5 7 12 4 8 12 6 5 11 5 5 10 8 2 10 4 5 9 1 6 7 7 0 7 2 3 5 3 2 5 2 1 3 3 0 3 0 2 2 0 2 2 0 2 2 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 If all countries will use the maximum number of skaters, a total of 210 names will be sent to the IOC (108 women and 102 men), but the maximum number of qualification places is 166 (83 women and 83 men). That should not be too much of an issue on the women's side as 77 different skaters won a quota for their NOC. On the men's side however, I expect that the quota of 83 is too little. I'm curious to see what will happen in that situation. According to the rules, it could lead to a reduction of event quota on the 500m, 1.000m and 1.500m. @Benolympique

I prefer this system then. Of course it would be nice to see Denmark and New Zealand in the Olympics, but Russia 100% deserves to be there after the weird disqualification because they showed slightly too much skin.

You were quicker haha

Women's mass start quota: x1 x1 x2 x2 x1 x1 x2 x1 x2 x1 x2 x2 x1 x1 x1 x1 x2 Reserves: indeed qualified at last Sandrine Tas also won her first quota for Belgium after being 1st reserve on the women's 500m and 2nd reserve on the women's 1.000m

It looks as if Claudia Pechstein has qualified again on the mass start. She won her first Olympic medal in 1992 and will turn 50 three days after the mass start final in Beijing 2022.

And the guaranteed quotas for the men's 1.000m: x1 x3 x1 x1 x1 x1 x3 x2 x3 x2 x1 x1 The 10 quota based on time will be final after the B-Group later tonight.