Rowing WR World Championships 2023 Road to Paris 2024

[Olympian1010 7,527]

7 minutes ago, phelps said:

since we're not talking of a small town/low budget Olympics, if they just don't want to go on with Lakle Perris because of the possible drought issues, they have enough time to study a good plan to remove the current bridge that shortened the original basin in Long Beach and rebuild it half a mile further (or in the same place just after the Games, asking locals to support the Games and be kind for a couple of years of heavy traffic problems)

The Olympics shouldn’t displace residents or force host cities to build infrastructure that caters exclusively to the Games. The Olympics should fit within existing infrastructure and have a minimal footprint local residents. I mean…much of controversy around the Olympics has to do with its impacts on host cities. 
 

There are some infrastructure changes that can benefit both host cities and the Olympics, such as improved transit lines, reimagined public spaces, and airport modernizations. Removing a bridge that serves mainly residents, just so athletes can row a bit further seems like a change that doesn’t provide public benefit. It also provides more ammunition to people who argue against hosting the Olympics.

17 minutes ago, phelps said:

the sport of Rowing deserves a 2000m regatta course, no matters how

This is the attitude that left Athens, Rio, and other host cities with vacant White Elephants.

[Olympian1010 7,527]

6 minutes ago, NearPup said:

It’s also fine if Rowing is out of the way (just like I don’t have any issues with slalom being in Oklahoma). The Olympics is a TV event first and foremost, there is value to having dense venues but a few venues in far flung places is really no big deal.

Right, if World Rowing is insistent about rowing being held in the LA Metro Area, then they have to cater to the best/most realistic option we can provide. They could always hold rowing elsewhere, likely outside the state, but that has its own setbacks.

[phelps 6,954]

2 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

The Olympics shouldn’t displace residents or force host cities to build infrastructure that caters exclusively to the Games. The Olympics should fit within existing infrastructure and have a minimal footprint local residents. I mean…much of controversy around the Olympics has to do with its impacts on host cities. 
 

There are some infrastructure changes that can benefit both host cities and the Olympics, such as improved transit lines, reimagined public spaces, and airport modernizations. Removing a bridge that serves mainly residents, just so athletes can row a bit further seems like a change that doesn’t provide public benefit. It also provides more ammunition to people who argue against hosting the Olympics.

I know, but then you have to find plans B, C, D and so on to keep up with all the principles, also the sports ones (and not only the economical and environmental agenda)

 

4 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

This is the attitude that left Athens, Rio, and other host cities with vacant White Elephants.

I still think that everything can be done without coming to those white elefants, it's just a question of etics and honesty by all the people involved, organizers, administrators, politicians all around

[phelps 6,954]

4 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Right, if World Rowing is insistent about rowing being held in the LA Metro Area, then they have to cater to the best/most realistic option we can provide. They could always hold rowing elsewhere, likely outside the state, but that has its own setbacks.

surely you know the area better than me...and if you say that the LA Metro Area has all those troubles, then I'm rather for the Lake Tahoe (or any other suitable place) option

 

surely, I'm against the 1500m races in 2028

[Roamingrover86 489]

Well if the LA 2028 LOC can only accommodate 1500m for rowing events ( it absolutely doesn’t make any sense both economically and socially to take the bridge down and then reconstruct it after the games) then world rowing needs to make a decision. They must for the next 4 year cycle do away with 2000m races & make it 1500m everywhere in order to familiarise athletes with the new changes. 
Many top athletes usually go for that final push in that last 500m which eventually decides many close races. 
It would be unfair on those top athletes if they had to loose out on 4 years of hard work just coz LA LOC cant come up with the full 2000m course & World rowing & IOC both agreed on it! 
If you have a problem, there needs to be a solution too! 

 

[Olympian1010 7,527]

9 minutes ago, phelps said:

surely you know the area better than me...and if you say that the LA Metro Area has all those troubles, then I'm rather for the Lake Tahoe (or any other suitable place) option

Lake Tahoe would likely be suitable. However, you run into similar infrastructure issues once again. It is expensive to build in the area, and any major development will be met with resistance from environmental groups, and possibly indigenous groups depending where you are building. The area has also been fire prone in recent years, so you’re dealing with that threat too.

 

There are other possibilities in the Sierras and Siskiyous, but you’re likely going to find similar issues. Lakes prone to drought, resistance from environmental/indigenous/farming groups, and a limited pool of local labor and spectators.
 

Water is a precious resource in California. It might quite literally be “liquid gold” in some ways. There’s hope that some wet years can normalize things, but using housing and water resources to cater to rowing would be highly unpopular in California. 

[Fly_like_a_don 955]

1 hour ago, phelps said:

you already tried this game with swimming (and you were shown how you were wrong)...

 

retry, you'll be luckier 

Yeah swimming too along with a cut in quotas in judo, remove team events in fencing,mens football, synchronized swimming, completely eliminate modern pentathlon, dressage, breakdancing, skateboarding and we'll have a great games 

[mpjmcevoy 207]

5 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

The Olympics shouldn’t displace residents or force host cities to build infrastructure that caters exclusively to the Games. The Olympics should fit within existing infrastructure and have a minimal footprint local residents. I mean…much of controversy around the Olympics has to do with its impacts on host cities. 
 

There are some infrastructure changes that can benefit both host cities and the Olympics, such as improved transit lines, reimagined public spaces, and airport modernizations. Removing a bridge that serves mainly residents, just so athletes can row a bit further seems like a change that doesn’t provide public benefit. It also provides more ammunition to people who argue against hosting the Olympics.

This is the attitude that left Athens, Rio, and other host cities with vacant White Elephants.

Once upon a time, Melbourne hosted its equestrian events in Stockholm. Next year, Paris will host its surfing events in the Pacific.

 

If LA doesn't have a suitable venue, it should have said so - but I would be as certain as is humanly possible that somewhere could host the rowing Olympic regatta on LA's behalf

[mpjmcevoy 207]

5 hours ago, phelps said:

I know, but then you have to find plans B, C, D and so on to keep up with all the principles, also the sports ones (and not only the economical and environmental agenda)

 

I still think that everything can be done without coming to those white elefants, it's just a question of etics and honesty by all the people involved, organizers, administrators, politicians all around

In a television games world, it should not be so hard to find one-off pre-existing venues if a proposed host struggles, even outside the country.

 

Whether Athens should ever have gotten the Games on what was a romantic basis is another matter. We are at the point where every continent, and several countries, has every facility it would ever need to host an Olympics. All it needs is the Athletes village, which should be designed with resale/lease/reuse to recoup building costs in mind.

[Ogreman 209]

					Form rankings
	M1X	W1X	M2-	W2-	M2X	W2X	LM2X	LW2X	M4-	W4-	M4X	W4X	M8+	W8+
1	GER	NED	GBR<	AUS	NED	ROU	IRL	GBR	GBR	AUS	POL	NED	GBR	ROU<
2	DEN	AUS	ROU>	ROU	CRO<	LTU	FRA	ROU<	AUS	ROU	NED	CHN	NED	GBR
3	NZL	NZL	SWI	NED	ITA	CHN<	SWI	FRA	NZL	GBR	ITA	GBR	AUS	CAN
4	JPN	SWI	ESP	IRL	IRL>	USA	ITA	USA<	NED	USA	GBR	SWI	ROU<	AUS
5	GRE	GER	IRL	GRE	ROU	FRA	CZE	IRL	USA	NED	AUS	UKR	GER	USA
6	BEL	USA	LTU	GBR	ESP	IRL	ESP	GRE>	FRA	IRL	ROU	GER	USA>	CHN
7	CRO	AUT	SRB	USA	BEL	AUS	GRE	NZL	ROU	CHN	EST<	ITA<	CHN	ITA
8	BUL	UZB<	AUS	LTU	CHN	GRE<	BEL	CHN	UKR	DEN	UKR<	USA>	ITA	GER
9	NED>	SRB<	DEN<	CHI	NZL	NED	NZL	ITA	SWI<	NZL	IRL	CAN	CAN
10	LTU	CHN>	USA	DEN	MDA	NOR	UKR	CAN	CHN<	ESP	GER	AUS	AUT
11	CAN	BUL	AIN (B)	ESP	USA	POL	MEX>	POL	GER>	POL	NOR	FRA
12	AIN (R)	ESP	CRO<	CZE>	FRA	GER	NOR	SWI	POL	GER	SWI	ROU
13	SRB	LTU	NZL	CRO	AUS	GBR	POL	AUS	RSA>	CAN	LTU	CZE
14	HUN	ITA<	ITA	GER	NOR<	ITA	CHN	AUT	IRL>	MEX	CHN
15	ITA>	AIN (B)<	RSA	POL	GER	NZL	GER	GER	ITA		USA
16	NOR	CZE	CAN	ITA	GBR	CZE	POR	ESP	DEN		CAN
17	URU<	TUR	NED	NZL	GRE	CAN	AUS	DEN			CZE
18	BRA	ROU	TUR	CAN	CZE	SWI>	USA	TUN
19	ESP	GBR>	POL	AIN (B)	SRB	RSA	TUR>	PER
20	AUS	UKR	FRA	FRA	POL>		AUT	EGY
21	USA	AIN (R)	CHN	CHN	UKR<		EST
22	POR	FRA	GER	PAR	SWE<		URU
23	AIN (B)	JPN	HUN		LTU		UZB>
24	CHN	POL	SLO		BUL		ISR
25	SLO	NOR<	CZE		URU>		EGY
26	TUN	LAT<	EGY		RSA
27	TUR	SLO			CUB
28	MON	PER			EGY
29	ROU	KUW			PER
30	CYP	BRN			BRN
31	ISR	TOG
32	AZE
33	SWE>
34	EGY
35	MEX>
36	ESA<
37	BER
38	FIN
39	PAR
40	ZIM
41	CIV<
42	IRQ
43	GEO
44	BAR
45	ANG
46	BEN
47	SUD
48	LIB

So I did this exercise of trying to rank every boat's form coming into these champs. I did this last year for myself and well it wasn't particularly accurate in terms of trying to predict results but hopefully offers some perspective on where boats might finish and expectations for number of Olympic qualifiers. > means I think a given boat will finish higher than where I have ranked them and < means I think it will actually finish lower than where it is ranked here.        

 

Anyone know why Japan withdrew all their boats except for their single scullers. I assume it is Asian games related but the likes of their W4- would have at least been competitive here

Edited September 2, 2023 by Ogreman