Fencing FIE World Championships 2023 Road to Paris 2024

[phelps 6,881]

men's Team Foil

 

Gold:  Japan

Silver:  China

Bronze:  Hong Kong

 

Semifinals

 

Japan b. Hong Kong  45-35

China b. USA  45-35

 

Bronze Medal Match

 

Hong Kong b. USA  45-31

 

Gold Medal Match

 

Japan b. China  45-35

 

Full Ranking & Results

https://www.fencingworldwide.com/en/2984-2022/results/

Edited July 31, 2023 by phelps

[phelps 6,881]

Final Medal Table

 

 4 / 4 / 2
 3 / 0 / 1
 2 / 0 / 2
 1 / 3 / 2
 1 / 1 / 2
 1 / 0 / 0
 0 / 1 / 2
 0 / 1 / 1
 0 / 1 / 1
 0 / 1 / 0
 0 / 0 / 1
 0 / 0 / 1
 0 / 0 / 1
 0 / 0 / 1
 0 / 0 / 1

 

[De_Gambassi 896]

1 hour ago, Vektor said:

Men's foil Olympic ranking before the final 4 World Cup events

 

1.   228 pts - World 1

2.   200 pts - World 2

3.   180 pts - World 3

4.   168 pts - World 4

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5.   152 pts - Europe

6.   146 pts - Asia

7.   140 pts - Africa

8.   140 pts

9.   112 pts

10.   109 pts

11.   97 pts

12.   94 pts

13.   91 pts

14.   90 pts - America

15.   84 pts

16.   84 pts

17.   84 pts

 

 

Women's sabre Olympic ranking before the final 4 World Cup events

 

1.   196 pts - World 1

2.   193 pts - World 2

3.   174 pts - World 3

4.   172 pts - World 4

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5.   161 pts - Europe

6.   136 pts - World 5

7.   132 pts - Asia

8.   120 pts

9.   116 pts

10.   114 pts

11.   104 pts

12.   101 pts

13.   100 pts - Africa

14.   95 pts

15.   86 pts

16.   77 pts

17.   75 pts

 

Any chance you could (re)publish the rankings of the other weapons ? Thanks.

[phelps 6,881]

9 hours ago, phelps said:

what a shame!

 

the saddest end of the championship we could ever think of

 

Garozzo is totally boiled

 

and it's also a brawl between the coaches!  

 

by the way, very unsportsmanlike behaviour by  coaches and also very provocative behaviour by Cheung Ka Long on the last hit  

according to Tommaso Marini, the referee was going to give  a black card at the end of this brawl, but he and his teammates stopped him, saying that there was just a misunderstanding between Cheung and the audience, since the man from  doesn't speak Italian (of course) but also his English is basically inexistent (that's not good, instead) 

 

personally, I think there was no misunderstanding...Cheung made the sign "shut up" to the audience after the winning hit...the consequential whistles and insults were more than deserved (no violent act was made and nothing was thrown by the audience, however...it was just a loud disagreement) and when the  coaches in response went against the Italians a black card would have been a correct punishment

 

but this championship had already gone mad with the Kharlan/Smirnova affair and therefore the disciplinary rules in fencing now don't count anything anymore: everybody feels like he/she's authorized to do whatever they want   

[Vektor 3,195]

52 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

Any chance you could (re)publish the rankings of the other weapons ? Thanks.

 

On 7/29/2023 at 7:36 PM, Vektor said:

Men's Epee Olympic ranking before the final 4 World Cup events

 

1.   193 pts - World 1

2.   172 pts - World 2

3.   168 pts - World 3

4.   164 pts - World 4

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5.   160 pts - Europe

6.   152 pts - Asia

7.   142 pts

8.   138 pts - Africa

9.   105 pts

10.   104 pts

11.   104 pts

12.   103 pts - America

13.   92 pts

14.   91 pts

15.   88 pts

16.   79 pts

17.   78 pts

 

Women's foil Olympic ranking before the final 3 World Cup events

 

1.   296 pts - World 1

2.   256 pts - World 2

3.   228 pts - World 3

4.   216 pts - World 4

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5.   182 pts - America

6.   209 pts - Asia

7.   154 pts - Europe

8.   148 pts

9.   130 pts

10.   126 pts

11.   123 pts

12.   122 pts

13.   116 pts

14.   107 pts

15.   100 pts - Africa

16.   97 pts

17.   72 pts

 

On 7/28/2023 at 7:07 PM, Vektor said:

Women's Epee Olympic Ranking

 

1.   196 pts - World 1

2.   196 pts - World 2

3.   192 pts - World 3

4.   180 pts - World 4

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5.   135 pts - America

6.   134 pts - Europe

7.   132 pts - Asia

8.   124 pts

9.   122 pts

10.   114 pts

11.   113 pts

12.   108 pts - Africa

13.   105 pts

14.   104 pts

15.   98 pts

16.   68 pts

17.   68 pts

 

 

Men's sabre Olympic ranking

 

1.   228 pts - World 1

2.   196 pts - World 2

3.   193 pts - World 3

4.   168 pts - World 4

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5.   148 pts - Europe

6.   142 pts - Asia

7.   134 pts

8.   128 pts - Africa

9.   118 pts

10.   116 pts - America

11.   112 pts

12.   99 pts

13.   98 pts

14.   89 pts

15.   83 pts

16.   76 pts

17.   76 pts

 

[Adriano 455]

Thank you France and Italy for "great" start in men's foil........

 

 :(( Chances for Poland or Germany are so small for european place now.

[phelps 6,881]

12 hours ago, Adriano said:

Thank you France and Italy for "great" start in men's foil........

 

 :(( Chances for Poland or Germany are so small for european place now.

don't worry,  and  will be both in the top 4 by the end of the OQP, I don't think  will repeat themselves too often in the next world cup stages, unless they organize all the competitions in the Far East/at home (imho, it's more dangerous  as they have Chung Ka Long on their side)

[Makedonas 1,585]

On 7/27/2023 at 12:00 PM, Vektor said:

This situation with Greece should inspire the people in charge to make new qualification rules for fencing. It makes no sense whatsoever that we won't have one of the top fencers in the world in Paris just because Greece doesn't have a good enough third fencer. It's cruel, this isn't judo or wrestling where every NOC only gets one place. 

I agree, it's really such a shame! We have two of the current top 4 in the FIE world rankings in the women's sabre.

 

On 7/27/2023 at 2:04 PM, Mateus Nagime said:

I don't think a rule should be changed because of an exception.

 

Having said that I could see a place for a country with 1 individual quota on the rankings trying a 2nd quota on the OQT.

Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a rule was changed because of us, it happened in women's water polo when our girls were 2011 world champions and 2012 European silver medalists but still did not manage to qualify for London 2012. Now, the world champion is always automatically qualified for the Olympics 

 

On 7/27/2023 at 2:42 PM, phelps said:

no, they don't have a 3rd good fencer, unfortunately

 

even with 2 among the best (and even in a "poor" weapon like women's sabre), it's impossible to make the top 8 on regular basis with a 3rd member like Greece's 3rd

It's very unfortunate that Vougiouka retired after Rio 2016, she was only 30 yo which in this sport is not too old. She was ranked in the top 5 in this weapon and with her on the team, I think she would give a big boost to our team, and I'm surprised there wasn't more of a push to bring her back to the sport after Georgiadou didn't get the chance to qualify for Tokyo due to this rule.

[phelps 6,881]

3 hours ago, Makedonas said:

I agree, it's really such a shame! We have two of the current top 4 in the FIE world rankings in the women's sabre.

it might become even worse...

 

 in 2016 had the no.1 and no.2 in the world ranking in women's epee (Fiamingo and Navarria), but since we missed out on the team qualification, only 1 of the 2 girls could participate to those Games (Fiamingo, who won the silver medal)