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heywoodu

Speed Skating ISU World Cup 2017 - 2018

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Dragon    265
18 hours ago, Nate River said:

If Wikipedia is to be believed, Pedro Causil is the first South American to ever qualify for the Olympics in speed skating, while this will be the first Olympics since 1936 (and the first since becoming independent from the Soviet Union) where Estonia competes in Speed Skating.

Olympic speed skaters from North/South America and Caribbean = 298

USA and Canada = 297  British Virgin Islands = 1

Every other country = 0

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Nate River    176

ISU announced the qualification standings for speed skating, baring any reallocation or issues with the 180 athlete quota. Keep in mind most countries won't use their maximum quota due to athletes competing in multiple events.

 

The Netherlands is the only country with the maximum number of quotas in every event. Canada also has the maximum number of athlete quota.

 

Men

  500m 1000m 1500m 5000m 10000m TP MS MAX
:AUS Australia 1 1           2
:AUT Austria             1 1
:BLR Belarus 1 1           2
:BEL Belgium     1 1     1 3
:CAN Canada 3 3 3 1 2 X 1 10
:CHN China 2             2
:COL Colombia 1 1           2
:DEN Denmark             2 2
:EST Estonia   1           1
:FIN Finland 2 1           3
:FRA France     1 1     1 3
:GER Germany 1 2 1 2 2     8
:HUN Hungary   1 1         2
:ITA Italy 1 1 2 3 2 X 1 10
:JPN Japan 3 3 3 2   X 2 8
:KAZ Kazakhstan 2 3 2         7
:LAT Latvia   1 1 1     1 4
:NED Netherlands 3 3 3 3 2 X 2 10
:NZL New Zealand     2 1 1 X 2 6
:NOR Norway 3 2 3 3 1 X 2 10
:POL Poland 3 3 3       1 8
Olympic Athletes from Russia 3 3 3 3 1   2 8
:KOR South Korea 3 3 2 1 1 X 2 10
:SWE Sweden     1 1       2
:SUI Switzerland     1 1     1 3
:TPE Taiwan 1             1
:USA United States 3 3 3     X 2 8

 

Women

  500m 1000m 1500m 3000m 5000m TP MS MAX
:AUT Austria 1 1 1       1 4
:BLR Belarus     1 1 1   1 4
:BEL Belgium     1         1
:CAN Canada 3 3 3 3 2 X 2 10
:CHN China 3 3 3 2   X 2 8
:CZE Czech Republic 1 2 2 2 1   1 8
:DEN Denmark             1 1
:EST Estonia             1 1
:FIN Finland 1             1
:GER Germany 2 3 2 2 1 X 1 10
:ITA Italy 1 2   1     2 6
:JPN Japan 3 3 3 3 2 X 2 10
:KAZ Kazakhstan 1 1 1         3
:NED Netherlands 3 3 3 3 2 X 2 10
:NOR Norway 1 2 2 1       6
:POL Poland 1 1 3 3   X 1 9
Olympic Athletes from Russia 3 3 3 2 2 X 2 10
:KOR South Korea 3 3       X 2 8
:SUI Switzerland             1 1
:TPE Taiwan 1 1 1         3
:USA United States 3 3 3 1 1   2 8

 

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phelps    520
6 hours ago, Nate River said:

ISU announced the qualification standings for speed skating, baring any reallocation or issues with the 180 athlete quota. Keep in mind most countries won't use their maximum quota due to athletes competing in multiple events.

 

The Netherlands is the only country with the maximum number of quotas in every event. Canada also has the maximum number of athlete quota.

 

Men

  500m 1000m 1500m 5000m 10000m TP MS MAX
:AUS Australia 1 1           2
:AUT Austria             1 1
:BLR Belarus 1 1           2
:BEL Belgium     1 1     1 3
:CAN Canada 3 3 3 1 2 X 1 10
:CHN China 2             2
:COL Colombia 1 1           2
:DEN Denmark             2 2
:EST Estonia   1           1
:FIN Finland 2 1           3
:FRA France     1 1     1 3
:GER Germany 1 2 1 2 2     8
:HUN Hungary   1 1         2
:ITA Italy 1 1 2 3 2 X 1 10
:JPN Japan 3 3 3 2   X 2 8
:KAZ Kazakhstan 2 3 2         7
:LAT Latvia   1 1 1     1 4
:NED Netherlands 3 3 3 3 2 X 2 10
:NZL New Zealand     2 1 1 X 2 6
:NOR Norway 3 2 3 3 1 X 2 10
:POL Poland 3 3 3       1 8
Olympic Athletes from Russia 3 3 3 3 1   2 8
:KOR South Korea 3 3 2 1 1 X 2 10
:SWE Sweden     1 1       2
:SUI Switzerland     1 1     1 3
:TPE Taiwan 1             1
:USA United States 3 3 3     X 2 8

 

Women

  500m 1000m 1500m 3000m 5000m TP MS MAX
:AUT Austria 1 1 1       1 4
:BLR Belarus     1 1 1   1 4
:BEL Belgium     1         1
:CAN Canada 3 3 3 3 2 X 2 10
:CHN China 3 3 3 2   X 2 8
:CZE Czech Republic 1 2 2 2 1   1 8
:DEN Denmark             1 1
:EST Estonia             1 1
:FIN Finland 1             1
:GER Germany 2 3 2 2 1 X 1 10
:ITA Italy 1 2   1     2 6
:JPN Japan 3 3 3 3 2 X 2 10
:KAZ Kazakhstan 1 1 1         3
:NED Netherlands 3 3 3 3 2 X 2 10
:NOR Norway 1 2 2 1       6
:POL Poland 1 1 3 3   X 1 9
Olympic Athletes from Russia 3 3 3 2 2 X 2 10
:KOR South Korea 3 3       X 2 8
:SUI Switzerland             1 1
:TPE Taiwan 1 1 1         3
:USA United States 3 3 3 1 1   2 8

 

 

I can tell you right now that Italy at 99.9% will use just 5 (max 6) men's quota (Nenzi in 500/1000m, Giovannini, Tumulero, Ghiotto, Bugari for all the other individual events and the Team Pursuit and maybe a further reserve guy -with no chance of skating in the actual Olympic event, however- for this last one) and only 3 women's quota (Yvonne Daldossi 500/1000m, Bettrone 1000m/Mass Start and Lollobrigida 3000m/Mass Start)...

there's no chance to see any other athlete in our team...

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Nate River    176
7 hours ago, phelps said:

 

I can tell you right now that Italy at 99.9% will use just 5 (max 6) men's quota (Nenzi in 500/1000m, Giovannini, Tumulero, Ghiotto, Bugari for all the other individual events and the Team Pursuit and maybe a further reserve guy -with no chance of skating in the actual Olympic event, however- for this last one) and only 3 women's quota (Yvonne Daldossi 500/1000m, Bettrone 1000m/Mass Start and Lollobrigida 3000m/Mass Start)...

there's no chance to see any other athlete in our team...

The max quota is just an upper bound, a lot of (most?) NOCs won’t use them all.

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heywoodu    3,207

Speed skating World Cup :roflmao:

 

This weekend is the World Cup final in Minsk of all places. Nobody cares because all world titles and important stuff have already been decided, resulting in for example 7 women in the 500m, 8 men in the 'mass' start and 3 teams ( :lol: ) in both team pursuits and team sprints :roflmao::facepalm:

 

http://live.isuresults.eu/2017-2018/minsk/

 

Saddest World Cup Final ever :d 

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Dennis    33

Yeah, this is terrible. 

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De_Gambassi    271

Thanks to my virtual table prior to the games, I've learnt that the world cup in speed skating means mostly shit (the Netherlands with 8 medals, yea, right) Why is that ? What are speed skaters supposed to do if not racing world cups ?  And while I'm at it what's the point of these commercial professionnal teams ? It's not road cycling, it's track cycling, I don't get what the sponsors have to gain there ?

 

Basically, I'm looking for an ABC of Speed Skating that would explain how the sport is running. (the off the field part I mean, the on the field, I get it: people put skates; they're running in circles; the dutch are winning; rinse repeat; it's boring, fine.)

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heywoodu    3,207
22 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

What are speed skaters supposed to do if not racing world cups ? 

The World Cup is the smallest 'thing' in international speed skating. There's world sprint championships, world single distance championships, world allround championships and now the same things in European championships, which all count more than World Cups. I've lost track of which championships are there every year and which aren't (anymore) and so on, but there's way too many championships. 

 

Apart from that, speed skaters put way too much focus on them, although it's not as bad as swimming, which really is just dead outside of championships. 

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heywoodu    3,207
24 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

And while I'm at it what's the point of these commercial professionnal teams ? It's not road cycling, it's track cycling, I don't get what the sponsors have to gain there ?

The same as in any sport: financial profit through exposure, basically, which is why the commercial pro teams are mostly in the Netherlands. It's also not track cycling by the way, it's speed skating :p 

 

 

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De_Gambassi    271
Juste maintenant , heywoodu a déclaré:

The same as in any sport: financial profit through exposure, basically, which is why the commercial pro teams are mostly in the Netherlands. It's also not track cycling by the way, it's speed skating :p 

 

 

 

But it's similar in nature. Indiviuals (mostly) running against each other years in and years out. The set up is similar in speed skating than in other indivudual olympic sports (world cup, world/continental championships run by individuals or national teams), yet the sports developped this unique professionnal environment.

 

In other individual sports, sponsors sponsorize individuals and/or a whole national team, not a selected few number of athletes that they farm in a "team". There is no athletics or swimming Lotto Jumbo team AFAIK (nor from any other country).

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Dennis    33

 

45 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

Thanks to my virtual table prior to the games, I've learnt that the world cup in speed skating means mostly shit (the Netherlands with 8 medals, yea, right) Why is that ? What are speed skaters supposed to do if not racing world cups ?  And while I'm at it what's the point of these commercial professionnal teams ? It's not road cycling, it's track cycling, I don't get what the sponsors have to gain there ?

 

Basically, I'm looking for an ABC of Speed Skating that would explain how the sport is running. (the off the field part I mean, the on the field, I get it: people put skates; they're running in circles; the dutch are winning; rinse repeat; it's boring, fine.)

 

20 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

The World Cup is the smallest 'thing' in international speed skating. There's world sprint championships, world single distance championships, world allround championships and now the same things in European championships, which all count more than World Cups. I've lost track of which championships are there every year and which aren't (anymore) and so on, but there's way too many championships. 

 

Apart from that, speed skaters put way too much focus on them, although it's not as bad as swimming, which really is just dead outside of championships. 

Another thing to note is that the majority of these Championships take place during the second half of the season (February/March), while the majority of the World Cups are skated before Christmas. That's why you see that there are always skaters who do well before Christmas in the World Cups but don't win medals at these Championships as other skaters manage to be in their best shape when it matters most.

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heywoodu    3,207
7 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

But it's similar in nature. Indiviuals (mostly) running against each other years in and years out. The set up is similar in speed skating than in other indivudual olympic sports (world cup, world/continental championships run by individuals or national teams), yet the sports developped this unique professionnal environment.

 

In other individual sports, sponsors sponsorize individuals and/or a whole national team, not a selected few number of athletes that they farm in a "team". There is no athletics or swimming Lotto Jumbo team AFAIK (nor from any other country).

 

Which I think is odd. Why force everyone to start in national colours in cross-country or biathlon? I much prefer for example the cross-country classics (Worldloppet?), like Marcialonga and Vasaloppet, where they do have commercial teams. There's commercial teams in track cycling too, or in cyclo-cross, which is definitely both very much individual. 

 

Having professional teams increases exposure for the sponsors = sponsors win

Having professional teams makes it easier for athletes to train together = athletes win

 

There's no reason why it should all be national teams (imagine Sven Kramer and Jorrit Bergsma in one team, haha. They'd rather die)

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