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I've watched the final of the french wrestler against the Iranian guy. It was a total annihilation, he could do nothing at all. They were 3 divisions apart...

Obviously... But you have to consider the hosts also. None of the next three ones having a real desire for the discipline, it can only hurt the chances of weightlifting to remain.

I believe the total air time of weightlifting during these Olympics in France was about 60 seconds. So, yeah, people won't notice. Yet, I still believe IOC is trying to push the sport in the right direction and that if they fail to do so (which seems likely at this point) big decision will happen only afterward. Actually, I could see Paris to hold the last Olympic weightlifting tournament in history.

Well, I don't think they care They'd save a bit of money and that's it. Anyway, do people really expect IOC to make such a radical move less than three years before the games start ?

Why ?

French selection here : https://www.athle.fr/asp.net/main.html/html.aspx?htmlid=6181 Possibly our best team ever in a junior world championship with 10 athletes ranked from 1st to 5h in junior world rankings. Sasha Zhoya (110m h) and Anthony Ammirati (pole vault) will try to secure their recent continental gold medals on world stage. Could be some historic championships for us, right after the somehow disappointing (actually, not really) olympics.

Official now. Next world championship will be held at the indoor Roubaix vélodrome from the the 20th to the 24 October 1500 seats only.

Overall tally (5 medals) is the best one from France since 1994.

No here just like in athletics next week. Covid ?

Hope you're right. I'm so tired of these made-up excuses every fucking time...

Pas de soucis côté jeunesse en VTT, on est assuré que nos espoirs continueront d'être déçus pendant encore quelques olympiades https://www.lequipe.fr/Vtt/Actualites/Line-burquier-championne-d-europe-juniors/1278337

Great insight, thanks. If you have the full list somewhere, I'll be very interested

Are you sure about that (unfortunately) ?

Quels sont les noms que vous avez coché comme potentiel nouveau médaillables d'ici Paris 2024 (qui étaient présents ou non à Tokyo) Quelques noms (à étoffer, hein ) Athlétisme : Zhoya, Erius (trop jeune ?), Ammirati, Arneton (qui vient de retrouver son ancien coach), Loga... Natation : Marchand, Sœurs Delmas, Grousset, Wattel ... Taekwondo : Randrianisa, Ravet Tennis de table : Pravade (??) Badminton : Popov C. (??), Gicquel-Delrue Tir à l'arc : Barbelin Canoe-Kayack : Prigent

I've a suggestion for @Sindo : a second doping thread (doping discussion or whatever) where people could discuss these kind of topics and keeping this one just for actual doping cases. There, mods should move any post accusing someone, making not so subtil wink wink references (that would be me ^^), investigations from the presse, etc. On the other hand, people who will go there will know perfectly well what to expect and that the basis of discussion can't be : "my favorite athlete who coincidently share the same nationally than me has been tested a zillion times, how dare you accusing him of anything ?" #leavehimalone It works perfectly well on other forums.

Or having - real - mixte events open to both sexes (like it used to be).

Don't you think that's a slight overstatement The men's team was beaten by teams ranked 1 and 4 at the olympics and the women, well, they're are not ranked 62th in the world for no reason Of course, we will

That's actually a better argument But really, even when we do know that the players were doping (ie Juve at the end of the 90's and thus the french football team of 98), people just don't care. Football is too big of a toy to be break up.

That's the good old rope: footballers don't dope because this is all about 'talent'

1. Rate the performance on a scale of 1-10 3/10 Poor, but not completely awful as one could have feared at some point during the games thanks to the last week-end. The overall number of medals is a major disappointment (worst total tied with Athens since 1992), but the number of golds (and thus our ranking in the medals table) is around what was expected. Obviously, with Paris as the next host, one would have assume that we would have been on the rise before our home games like previously hosts were. But it was never going to happen : overall, we had a poor qualification run and probably had a worst team with less potential medallists than in Rio. 2. What were the surprises and heartbreaks ? The surprises have been few. The biggest one being Romain Cannone ranked world number 47 or something and eventually gold medallist in fencing. Team sports have also been incredible successful with 6 medals and 3 golds with only the 3*3 women basketball team being a let down. The men's volleyball team gold seem to me like the biggest surprise any french NT ever achieved during the olympics (possibly tied with the men's handball bronze in 1992) Heartbreaks ? So many... Just on the top of my head: Vincent Luis (Triathlon), Herbert-Mahut (tennis), the men's épée team, the men and particularly the women MTB team, Vincent Daudet (BMX), Benjamin Thomas (Omnium) Marc Antoine Olivier (OW swimming), Valentin Prades (Pentathlon) ... Major contenders for gold who all failed to reach their objective and even worst to even secure a podium, which largely explains why we didn't achieve as many medals as we are used to. Cycling have once again been the major disappointment of the french team. They were expecting 6 medals and are leaving Tokyo with 2 bronze... At some point, you can't blame everything on 'bad luck". There is something wrong here, that need to be fixed ASAP. Contrary to Rio with boxing and athletics (6 medals each), we didn't have any sport really overperforming. Judo (8 medals) and fencing (5) have been by far our main medals factories, but that was expected and I don't think such level of success was out of reach prior to the olympics. As I've said on the other thread, what worries me the most is that once again we have failed to match our results from the previous world championships during the olympics. 3.Was your country's goal achieved? Nothing was set in stone, but the discussion was about 40 medals. So, no. 4. Which are the sports that will be invested more in future? Not one in particular, but it seems that the money will be less spread accros sports and that we are moving slowly to an athlete-per-athlete approach.

I think most countries believe their athletes lack this 'killer instinct' to reach golds/medals. We all tend to overplay the potential of our own, and when they fail to reach this slightly illusional potential, we go for the easy answer : they lack some kind of mental strength. When really, it's more complex than that.

Maybe, you'll realise that this is not a 'Brit' thing. A shit load of people around the world has raised concerns about him which is very much normal considering his own story and the discipline he excels at.

Indeed

None of us are running the show if you didn't notice. We are not in power of disqualifying anyone, this is not what is happening here. you're making a silly argument. AFAIK, there is no rules on this board that forbidden us to talk of the likelihood of someone being doped even he if hasn't be caught.

Yes, because anti-doping tests have been sooooooooo efficient to catch cheaters for the last decades obviously. I can't believe people still use that non-argument on a sports forum in 2021. PS: British journalists are among the only ones to have dig up some dirt on their own athletes.