Quasit

Here's my take on the Winter Games but take that as you will because I'm not the biggest winter sports enthusiast for reasons. Some users have pointed out before how problematic it is for nations besides those 25-30 that are usually winning medals at the Winter Games (we need "Desert Games" for compensation!). My programme is more leaning towards the "utopic" side but you will really see that when I have a take on the Summer Games programme. In general... ... I'm all in for more events. ... I remember somebody's post long ago where they said that "individual events are for strong athletes and team events are for strong nations" which makes a lot of sense to me. The strongest nation doesn't necessarily have the strongest athlete. So I support the idea of a team event in every sport (there are exceptions, of course). ... I don't have problems with Mixed events either. Regard it as an "overall event". ... I don't care whether a sport/event is TV-friendly or not. Athletes have to compete, not the general audience. ... winter sports will always be defined as a sport on ice or snow, so no indoor sports like Handball to the programme. It's a summer sport. ... I welcome the raise of total athletes per Games. I know there have to be limits though. ... I wouldn't really miss Winter Games. ... if you dislike my programme, that's fine, but if you complain about it without having posted your own here, go ahead and make your own. Alpine Skiing [12] Slalom (m/w) Giant Slalom (m/w) Super-G (m/w) Downhill (m/w) Combined (m/w) Team Event (m/w) Introduction of a Team Event for both genders and a revised one as the current team event is too heavy on Slalom. It should be 2x slalom + 2x speed. A "Combined" course can be prepared for that and both genders have enough athletes for them to have that separate event. No parallel event, to me the current one looks like a competition of luck. Alpine Skiing +1 Biathlon [11] Sprint (m/w) Pursuit (m/w); reworked Individual (m/w) Mass Start (m/w) Team Relay (m/w/mixed) The concept of a pursuit based on results of a previous event is a bit strange to me so two ideas for a revision. A qualification event in which athletes shoot 50 (25+25) targets and based on every miss, there will be a penalty of 8 seconds (up to debate) for the start. So for example, there is a lone athlete with 50/50 hits, they will start the race and somebody with 42/50 hits will start 1 minute and 4 seconds (8x8=64) behind the leader. The rest will be the same: 60 will qualify (plus or minus, if for example 64 athletes have 38/50 hits and more), penalty start, 4 shootings and first one to finish will be the winner. The upcoming Super Sprint event may serve as the qualification for the Pursuit. Biathlon ± 0 Bobsleigh [4] Two-man/woman (m/w) Four-man/woman (m/w) Shouldn't be a problem to introduce a Four-woman event. No monobob event needed, aside from Youth Games. If Jamaica has a Two-woman/Four-man bob, so can, in theory, every powerhouse in winter sports. And seriously, why don't Nordic nations care about sliding sports? Bobsleigh +1 Cross-Country Skiing [15] 15/10km Freestyle - interval start (m/w) 30/15km Skiathlon - mass start (m/w) 50/30km Classical - interval start (m/w) 4x10/5km Relay (m/w/mixed) 100m (m/w) Individual Sprint (m/w) Team Sprint (m/w) The perfect sport to have a mixed relay in (2x5km + 2x10km), interesting it hasn't already been planned but I guess Biathlon is more popular than Cross-Country. I also specified that the short freestyle distance and especially the longest distance, which should be run in Classical style, should have interval starts. Also, introduction of the 100m. No hipster event such as the Cross. We have Ski Cross, I don't see the point of CC Cross. Cross-Country Skiing +3 Curling [3] Tournament (m/w) Mixed Doubles (mixed) No changes here. If we have a Doubles event, then mixed is a good way to go. Curling ± 0 Figure Skating [5] Singles (m/w) Pairs (mixed) Ice Dancing (mixed) Team Event (mixed) Looks fine to me as well, for a layman when it comes to Figure Skating. Figure Skating ± 0 Freestyle Skiing [16] Aerials (m/w) Mixed Team Aerials (mixed) Moguls (m/w) Dual Moguls (m/w) Halfpipe (m/w) Mixed Team Halfpipe (mixed) Slopestyle (m/w) Ski Cross (m/w) Ski Ballet (m/w) No questions about Dual Moguls, should be in. Ski Ballet seems to have a passionate fanbase, why not. Not easy to create team events in this sport but we have Mixed Team Aerials in the World Cup already and I can also picture one for the Halfpipe. With the addition of Dual Moguls, another (team) event for them isn't necessary. Freestyle Skiing +6 Ice Hockey [4] Tournament (m/w) Skills Challenge (m/w) This sport is popular enough to have that Skills Challenge in the programme. It's good for good players from weaker nations too, no question about that. Ice Hockey +2 Luge [6] Singles (m/w) Doubles (open) Team Relay (mixed) Natural Track Singles (m/w) Natural Track Team Relay (mixed) The first discipline I would axe is Doubles in Luge. Have you ever seen two tennis players playing, holding the same racket? Two fencers holding the same weapon? That's how ridiculous Luge Doubles appears to me. Out. Don't despair Luge fans (hewoodu), Natural Track is in with the same programme as the artificial track has. Luge +2 Nordic Combined [6] Individual Normal Hill/7,5km (w) Individual Large Hill/10km (m) 10km Mass Start/Normal Hill (w) 15km Mass Start/Large Hill (m) Team Normal Hill/4x5km Relay (w) Team Large Hill/4x5km Relay (m) The current programme makes no sense. Why is there the need of having the same men's event (10km), with the only difference being the Ski Jumping part held on Normal or Large Hill? At least have Normal Hill and a 5km or 7,5km run, making it more sprint-like, but anyway, mine is greatly revised. In an ideal world of sports, women have caught up with NC. They will have Normal Hill events whereas the men will jump from the Large Hill. As I said, 10km/Normal and 10km/Large is stupid, let's have two very different events in which you start skiing first, the Mass Start, and Ski Jumping will be the second discipline. It was a World Cup event too, not long ago. There you go, looks much better now and I'm being very generous with NC given that nobody really cares about it these days, not even Norway, and we have ... the results we have. Nordic Combined +3 Short Track Speed Skating [10] 500m (m/w) 1000m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 3000m (m/w) 5000m/3000m Relay (m/w) The compulsory addition of the 3000m. Short Track Speed Skating +2 Skeleton [2] Singles (m/w) No changes here, doesn't really deserve a team event, in my opinion. Skeleton ± 0 Ski Jumping [6] Normal Hill (m/w) Large Hill (m) Normal Hill Team (w) Large Hill Team (m) Mixed Normal Hill Team (mixed) At first I was thinking adding only the Women's Normal ill Team would suffice but Nordic Combined having more events than Ski Jumping doesn't sound right, so mixed is in as well. Ski Jumping +2 Snowboarding [15] Halfpipe (m/w) Mixed Team Halfpipe (mixed) Slopestyle (m/w) Big Air (m/w) Team Big Air (m/w) Parallel Giant Slalom (m/w) Snowboard Cross (m/w) Snowboard Cross Team (m/w) I don't see the difference between Parallel Slalom and Parallel Giant Slalom so I won't have both. Team events are added; Big Air had such high starter fields in both genders so that it justifies a team event for both. We can discuss a Team Halfpipe for both too, but then mixed will have to go again. Snowboarding +5 Speed Skating [14] 500m (m/w) 1000m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 3000m (w) 5000m (m/w) 10,000m (m) Mass Start (m/w) Team Pursuit (m/w) Personally, I think it looks good. No need for a Team Sprint. Only the Mass Start will have to be revised a bit (made longer). Speed Skating ± 0 Additional Sport #1 - Ski Orienteering [6] Long Distance (m/w) Sprint Distance (m/w) Team Relay (m/w) Of course if we talk about additions to the Winter Games programme, we have to consider Ski Orienteering. Say hello to more Swedish medals. Ski Orienteering +6 Additional Sport #2 - Cyclo-Cross [2] Cyclo-Cross Race (m/w) But only if it is held on snowy surface. Cyclo-Cross +2 Additional Sport #3 - Telemark Skiing [2] Sprint (m/w) I'm not getting it but I don't want to ignore it either. I don't see the difference between Sprint and Classic and in general, I don't like the parallel bs but I'm more inclined to add Parallel to my programme over Classical if somebody can explain these events to me. Telemark Skiing +2 Additional Sport #4 - Snowshoeing [2] 10km (m/w) Yes. Definitely yes. Snowshoeing +2 Additional Sport #5 - Bandy [2] Tournament (m/w) Should be a lock as well. Bandy +2 Additional Sport #6 - Ski Mountaineering [4] Individual (m/w) Relay (m/w) Should be a lock as well. Ski Mountaineering +4 Total medel events: 147 in 21 sports Total athletes: more than currently Days of competition: 18 (including Day -1 and Day 0 before the Opening Ceremony)

But in this topic, everything is allowed. Just saying, not wanting to scare away users with their own unique ideas.

Good idea, that simplifies finding your own post back and make adjustments. The list of posts is now at the bottom of the first post in both threads.

It's open class, isn't it? Which practically doesn't matter because only men start anyway but technically, I guess I will have to edit it.

Right, it's fixed now.

Opinions differ and ever so often do they when it comes to the Olympic programme. What do your perfect Olympic Games programme look like? What sports and events do they include, how many events in total are there and over how many days would you spread the whole programme? No matter if you make a realistic programme or a dream programme, it's all about your own ideas here. You can use the template below and add or get rid of as many sports and events as you like. You can also create new events. To make it easier, you will find the current programme in the template. It refers to the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo. Summer Olympics Template Aquatics - Diving [8] 3m springboard (m/w) 10m Platform (m/w) Synchronised 3m Springboard (m/w) Synchronised 10m Platform (m/w) Aquatics - Swimming [37] 50m Freestyle (m/w) 100m Freestyle (m/w) 200m Freestyle (m/w) 400m Freestyle (m/w) 800m Freestyle (m/w) 1500m Freestyle (m/w) 4x100m Freestyle Relay (m/w) 4x200m Freestyle Relay (m/w) 100m Breaststroke (m/w) 200m Breaststroke (m/w) 100m Butterfly (m/w) 200m Butterfly (m/w) 100m Backstroke (m/w) 200m Backstroke (m/w) 200m Individual Medley (m/w) 400m Individual Medley (m/w) 4x100m Medley Relay (m/w/mixed) 10km Open Water (m/w) Aquatics - Synchronised Swimming [2] Women's Duet (w) Women's Team (w) Aquatics - Water Polo [2] Tournament (m/w) Archery [5] Individual Recurve (m/w) Team Recurve (m/w/mixed) Athletics [48] 100m (m/w) 200m (m/w) 400m (m/w) 800m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 5000m (m/w) 10,000m (m/w) 110m/100m Hurdles (m/w) 400m Hurdles (m/w) 3000m Steeplechase (m/w) 4x100m Relay (m/w) 4x400m Relay (m/w/mixed) Marathon (m/w) 20km Race Walk (m/w) 50km Race Walk (m) Long Jump (m/w) Triple Jump (m/w) High Jump (m/w) Pole Vault (m/w) Shot Put (m/w) Discus Throw (m/w) Javelin Throw (m/w) Hammer Throw (m/w) Heptathlon (w) Decathlon (m) Badminton [5] Singles (m/w) Doubles (m/w/mixed) Baseball [1] Tournament (m) Basketball [4] 3x3 Tournament (m/w) Tournament (m/w) Boxing [13] 8 Men's weights 5 Women's weights Canoeing - Slalom [4] K-1 (m/w) C-1 (m/w) Canoeing - Sprint [12] K-1 200m (m/w) K-1 500m (w) K-1 1000m (m) K-2 500m (w) K-2 1000m (m) K-4 500m (m/w) C-1 200m (w) C-1 1000m (m) C-2 500m (w) C-2 1000m (m) Cycling - BMX [4] BMX Race (m/w) Park (m/w) Cycling - Mountain Bike [2] Men's/Women's Race (m/w) Cycling - Road [4] Road Race (m/w) Time Trial (m/w) Cycling - Track [12] Individual Sprint (m/w) Team Sprint (m/w) Team Pursuit (m/w) Keirin (m/w) Omnium (m/w) Madison (m/w) Equestrian [6] Individual Dressage (mixed) Team Dressage (mixed) Individual Jumping (mixed) Team Jumping (mixed) Individual Eventing (mixed) Team Eventing (mixed) Fencing [12] Individual Foil (m/w) Team Foil (m/w) Individual Épée (m/w) Team Épée (m/w) Individual Sabre (m/w) Team Sabre (m/w) Field Hockey [2] Tournament (m/w) Football [2] U-23 Tournament (m/w) Golf [2] Individual Stroke Play (m/w) Gymnastics - Artistic [14] Individual All-Around (m/w) Team All-Around (m/w) Floor (m/w) Vault (m/w) Pommel Horse (m) Rings (m) Parallel Bars (m) Horizontal Bar (m) Balance Beam (w) Uneven Bars (w) Gymnastics - Rhythmic [2] Individual All-Around (w) Group All-Around (w) Gymnastics - Trampoline [2] Individual (m/w) Handball [2] Tournament (m/w) Judo [15] 7 Men's weights 7 women's weights Team Event (mixed) Karate [8] 3 Men's Kumite weights 3 Women's Kumite weights Individual Kata (m/w) Modern Pentathlon [2] Individual (m/w) Rowing [14] Single Sculls (m/w) Double Sculls (m/w) Lightweight Double Sculls (m/w) Quadruple Sculls (m/w) Pairs (m/w) Fours (m/w) Eights (m/w) Rugby Sevens [2] Tournament (m/w) Sailing [10] RS:X (m/w) Laser (m) Laser Radial (w) Finn (m) 470 (m/w) 49er (m) 49er FX (w) Nacra 17 (mixed) Shooting [15] 10m Air Rifle (m/w) Mixed Team 10m Air Rifle (mixed) 50m Rifle Three Positions (m/w) 10m Air Pistol (m/w) Mixed Team 10m Air Pistol (mixed) 25m Pistol (w) 25m Rapid Fire Pistol (m) Trap (m/w) Mixed Team Trap (mixed) Skeet (m/w) Skateboarding [4] Park (m/w) Street (m/w) Softball [1] Tournament (w) Sport Climbing [2] Combined (m/w) Surfing [2] Shortboard (m/w) Table Tennis [5] Singles (m/w) Doubles (mixed) Team (m/w) Taekwondo [8] 4 Men's weights 4 Women's weights Tennis [5] Singles (m/w) Doubles (m/w/mixed) Triathlon [3] Individual Race (m/w) Mixed Team Relay (mixed) Volleyball - Beach [2] Tournament (m/w) Volleyball - Indoor [2] Tournament (m/w) Weightlifting [14] 7 Men's weights 7 Women's weights Wrestling [18] 6 Men's Freestyle weights 6 Men's Greco-Roman weights 6 Women's Freestyle weights Additional Sport [x] Event Total medel events: 339 in 33 sports Total athletes: --- Days of competition: 19 (including Day -2, Day -1 and Day 0 before the Opening Ceremony) Programmes by the Users ahjfcshfghb's programme AlFHg's programme Bearas' programme Benolympique's programme DaniSRB's programme De_Gambassi's programme Dmitry's programme Dragon's programme Dunadan's programme Gianlu33's programme hckosice's programme heywoodu's programme hukbrazil's programme intoronto's programme Jur's programme LDOG's programme ledon's programme mpjmcevoy's programme NaBUru38's programme Nate River's programme Olympian1010's programme phelps' programme Quasit's programme rybak's programme Skijumpingmaster's programme thiago_simoes' programme Ubaldo Coldagelli's programme

Opinions differ and ever so often do they when it comes to the Olympic programme. What do your perfect Olympic Games programme look like? What sports and events do they include, how many events in total are there and over how many days would you spread the whole programme? No matter if you make a realistic programme or a dream programme, it's all about your own ideas here. You can use the template below and add or get rid of as many sports and events as you like. You can also create new events. To make it easier, you will find the current programme in the template. It refers to the 2018 Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang. Winter Olympics Template Alpine Skiing [11] Slalom (m/w) Giant Slalom (m/w) Super-G (m/w) Downhill (m/w) Combined (m/w) Team Event (mixed) Biathlon [11] Sprint (m/w) Pursuit (m/w) Individual (m/w) Mass Start (m/w) Team Relay (m/w/mixed) Bobsleigh [3] Two-man/woman (m/w) Four-man (m) Cross-Country Skiing [12] 15/10km Freestyle (m/w) 30/15km Skiathlon (m/w) 50/30km Classical (m/w) 4x10/5km Relay (m/w) Individual Sprint (m/w) Team Sprint (m/w) Curling [3] Tournament (m/w) Mixed Doubles (mixed) Figure Skating [5] Singles (m/w) Pairs (mixed) Ice Dancing (mixed) Team Event (mixed) Freestyle Skiing [10] Aerials (m/w) Moguls (m/w) Halfpipe (m/w) Slopestyle (m/w) Ski Cross (m/w) Ice Hockey [2] Tournament (m/w) Luge [4] Singles (m/w) Doubles (open) Team Relay (mixed) Nordic Combined [3] Individual Normal Hill/10km (m) Individual Large Hill/10km (m) Team Large Hill/4x5km Relay (m) Short Track Speed Skating [8] 500m (m/w) 1000m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 5000m/3000m Relay (m/w) Skeleton [2] Singles (m/w) Ski Jumping [4] Normal Hill (m/w) Large Hill (m) Large Hill Team (m) Snowboarding [10] Halfpipe (m/w) Slopestyle (m/w) Big Air (m/w) Parallel Giant Slalom (m/w) Snowboard Cross (m/w) Speed Skating [14] 500m (m/w) 1000m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 3000m (w) 5000m (m/w) 10,000m (m) Mass Start (m/w) Team Pursuit (m/w) Additional Sport [x] Event Total medel events: 102 in 15 sports Total athletes: --- Days of competition: 18 (including Day -1 and Day 0 before the Opening Ceremony) Programmes by the Users ahjfcshfghb's programme AlFHg's programme Bearas' programme De_Gambassi's programme Dmitry's programme Dragon's programme Dunadan's programme Gianlu33's programme Gigs' programme hckosice's programme heywoodu's programme intoronto's programme Jur's programme Mateusz' programme Nate River's programme phelps' programme stefanbg's programme thiago_simoes' programme VolleyRuller96's programme

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Technically, Diggins was the first but I know you were talking about the men. Good races by the Norwegians, Harvey and Diggins today.

Been discussing this with somebody before and it looks like mass starts become the norm now for the general TV audience with limited understanding. That's why we won't see the 50km in Cross-Country with intervals anymore. "Who crosses the finish line first, wins" is an easy-to-understand concept. Hopefully there won't be Ski Jumping or Luge mass starts.

Given the popularity of Biathlon, there will only be more events. The Super Sprint is coming. Hopefully they won't touch the Individual, meaning throwing that out.

You seem to forget that when you're in front, you don't have to give it all. Especially with Kuzmina comfortably leading after the 4th shooting. Running times in pursuit races do not always tell the truth.

Well, there are many things ridiculously forbidden in most countries but I think it doesn't stop people from doing them in private anyway.

Surprisingly, video games are not prohibited as they participated in eSports at the Asian Indoor Games last year.

It is called emotion.

Too many Mass Starts. Those ruin the tour for me, and CC in general.

Lucky for Cologna.

Nothing, but Norway and Sweden are not performing well. Mainly on the men's side. Also expected more from Musgrave.

Not liking the TdS results so far but okay for now, given the OG are most important.

From 2022 onwards, every year will be an Olympic year.

What's the problem with Water Skiing and Darts?

At least a judoka gets some attention in between many other athletes from more popular sports.

...and for some, like me, Speed Skating is also the name of an event. It's not worth arguing about, it's all about personal opinion. "xx" or "XX" looks better than "Xx" or "xX".

I wonder what country FIK is.

"Speed" and "Skating" belong together like "Winter" and "Olympics" in this case, at least for me. You have successfully broken my harmony.