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Wikipedia says they were competing in Greco never trust wiki then!

So far the things were relatively easy. But to finish Day 4 in LA in style we have to do one more sport. And here things get much more difficult. Time for first medals in combat sports. And it's WRESTLING GRECO-ROMAN. No more simple times / points comparison. 3 wrestling events on day 4 were: 34. Men's 48kg 35. Men's 62kg 36. Men's 90kg The medalists were: Men's 48kg LA - 1. Vincenzo Maenza ITA 2. Markus Scherer FRG 3. Ikuzo Saito JPN FR - 1. Kim Cher Huan PRK 2. Sergei Kornilayev URS 3. Jan Falandys POL Men's 62kg LA - 1. Kim Weon Kee KOR 2. Kent-Olle Johansson SWE 3. Hugo Dietsche SUI FR - 1. Simeon Shterev BUL 2. Avirmediin Enkhee MGL 3. Viktor Alexeev URS Men's 90kg LA - 1. Steve Fraser USA 2. Ilie Matei ROM 3. Frank Andersson SWE FR - 1. Sansar Oganisyan URS 2. Yordan Doynov BUL 3. Jan Górski POL So in our simulation gold and silver could be: 1. LA1 2. FR1 1. FR1 2. LA1 1. LA1 2. LA2 1. FR1 2. FR2 For the 3rd places there are much more different possibilities... I don't know much about wrestling, but I think Vincenzo Maenza gold is secure! All the other medals... well, I don't know. So @phelps i think there's a job for you here to be done ;-) And maybe @MHSN - if you'd like to help us, would appreciate this.

Day 4, Wednesday No swimming events on Day 4, sadly. But still things are very interesting. 28. Cycling Track - Men's Individual Pursuit 1. Gintautas Umaras URS 4.33.66 FR1 2. Bernd Dittert GDR 4.33.88 FR2 3. Steve Hegg USA 4.35.57 LA1 According to English Wikipedia: Eastern Bloc results in track cycling were better than Olympic results, but Friendship Games cyclists competed on an indoor wooden track, while the Olympic events took place on an outdoor concrete track. So it is hard to say for me if we can compare cycling track results so simply. Anyway, if we can and if we do - 4th would be Ryszard Dawidowicz POL 4.40.21 FR3 29. Gymnastics Artistic - Women's Team 1. Soviet Union 395.250 FR1 2. East Germany 392.500 FR2 3. Romania 392.200 LA1 Honestly I don't know if these results are reliable. As I said before, 2 different competitions, 2 different sets of judges... Czechoslovakia would be 4th (391.950 FR3) United States only got 391.200 as LA2 30. Modern Pentathlon - Men's Individual 1. Laszlo Fabian HUN 5670 FR1 2. Anatoli Starostin URS 5650 FR2 3. Milan Kadlec TCH 5497 FR3 If we simply compare the points - no medal for LA winner Daniele Masala, ITA in an individual event 31. Modern Pentathlon - Men's Team 1. Hungary 16371 FR1 2. Italy 16060 LA1 3. Czechoslovakia 15918 FR2 32. Shooting - Men's 50m Rifle Three Positions 1. Malcolm Cooper GBR 1173 LA1 2. Milan Bakes TCH 1169 FR1 3. Ireneusz Jagodziński POL 1166 FR2 First gold for Team GB in LA! And first medal for Poland!!! The problem is that according to an official Polish Olympic Committee 1984 commemorative book (Na olimpijskim szlaku) - (On the olympic trail) Ireneusz Jagodziński wasn't a member of Team Poland who was planned to go to LA Olympics. We have planned to send there 3 shooters only, all male: Zygmunt Bogdziewicz, Jerzy Greszkiewicz and Adam Kaczmarek. For the purpose of this thread, let's think he was there in LA and he gets first medal for Poland. But if he's not there - next athlete would be Alexander Mitrofanov URS 1164 FR3 33. Weightlifting - Men's 67.5 kg (Lightweight) 1. Yanko Rusev BUL 337.5 FR1 2. Aleksandar Varbanov BUL 335 FR2 3. Yao Jingyuan CHN 320 LA1 4th gold for BUL in 4th weightlifting event. 4th CHN gold lost in 4th weightlifting event... 4th place for Marek Seweryn POL 315 FR3 And that's all for the part 1 of Day 4 No gold for USA on Day 4 so far!!! Medal table after part 1 of Day 4 (33 events) 10-5-7---22 9-5-8---22 5-2-1---8 3-10-2---15 2-1-2---5 2-1-0---3 1-3-1---5 1-0-0---1 0-2-3---5 0-2-0---2 0-1-4---5 0-1-3---4 0-0-1---1 0-0-1---1 0-0-1---1

that's what I thought. I think there's a big chance Ashford would have won against Goehr in LA in 100m race, when they would have been running together.

I'd like to sum things up in one post. So here the summary of first 3 days in LA. Day 1 Sunday 1. Cycling Road - Men's Individual Race 1. Alexi Grewal USA LA1 2. Steve Bauer CAN LA2 3. Alexandr Zinovyev URS FR1 2. Cycling Road - Women's Individual Race 1. Connie Carpenter USA LA1 2. Rebecca Twigg USA LA2 3. Sandra Schumacher FRG LA3 3. Shooting - Men's 50m Pistol 1. Aleksandr Melentiev URS 578 FR1 2. Lyubcho Dyakov BUL 573 FR2 3. Anatoli Egrishin URS 568 FR3 4. Shooting - Women's 25m Pistol 1. Marina Dobrancheva URS 589 FR1 2. Linda Thom CAN 585 (198 shoot-off) LA1 3. Ruby Fox USA 585 (197 shoot-off) LA2 5. Swimming - Men's 200m Freestyle 1. Michael Gross FRG 1.47.44 LA1 2. Mike Heath USA 1.49.10 LA2 3. Thomas Fahrner FRG 1.49.69 LA3 6. Swimming - Men's 100m Breaststroke 1. Steve Lundquist USA 1.01.65 LA1 2. Victor Davis CAN 1.01.99 LA2 3. Peter Evans AUS 1.02.97 LA3 7. Swimming - Women's 100m Freestyle 1. Kristin Otto GDR 55.75 FR1 2. Birgit Meineke GDR 55.79 FR2 3. Carrie Steinseifer USA 55.92 LA1 3. Nancy Hogshead USA 55.92 LA1 ex aequo 8. Swimming - Women's 400m Ind Medley 1. Tracy Caulkins USA 4.39.24 LA1 2. Yelena Dendeberova URS 4.43.78 FR1 3. Suzanne Landells AUS 4.48.30 LA2 9. Weightlifting - Men's 52 kg 1. Neno Terziyski BUL 252.5 kg FR1 2. Zeng Guoqiang CHN 235.0 kg LA1 3. Zhou Peishun CHN 235.0 kg LA2 Medal table (after Day 1, 9 events) 4-2-3---9 2-1-2---5 1-1-0---2 1-1-0---2 1-0-2---3 0-3-0---3 0-1-1---2 0-0-2---2 Day 2 Monday 10. Cycling Track - Men's Individual Time Trial 1km 1. Sergei Kopylov URS 1.03.56 FR1 2. Maic Malchov GDR 1.04.17 FR2 3. Milan Hajek TCH 1.05.67 FR3 11. Shooting - Men's 50m Rifle Prone 1. Petar Zapryanov BUL 599 FR1 (shoot-off) 2. Edward Etzel USA 599 LA1 (shoot-off) 3. Sergey Ivanenko URS 598 FR2 12. Swimming - Men's 4x200m Freestyle Relay 1. United States 7.15.69 LA1 2. West Germany 7.15.73 LA2 3. East Germany 7.20.78 FR1 13. Swimming - Men's 100m Butterfly 1. Michael Gross FRG 53.08 LA1 2. Pablo Morales USA 53.23 LA2 3. Glenn Buchanan AUS 53.85 LA3 14. Swimming - Men's 400m Individual Medley 1. Alex Baumann CAN 4.17.41 LA1 2. Jens-Peter Berndt GDR 4.18.29 FR1 3. Ricardo Prado BRA 4.18.45 LA2 15. Swimming - Women's 200m Freestyle 1. Mary Wayte USA 1.59.23 LA1 2. Kristin Otto GDR 1.59.48 FR1 3. Cynthia Woodhead USA 1.49.50 LA2 16. Swimming - Women's 200m Breaststroke 1. Larisa Byelokon URS 2.29.13 FR1 2. Sylvia Gerasch GDR 2.29.62 FR2 3. Anne Ottenbrite CAN 2.30.38 LA1 17. Weightlifting - Men's 56kg (Bantamweight) 1. Naim Suleimanov BUL 297.5 FR1 2. Oksen Mirzoyan URS 295.0 FR2 3. Wu Shude CHN 267.5 LA1 Medal table (after Day 2, 17 events) 6-4-4---14 4-2-3---9 3-1-0---4 2-1-2---5 1-5-1---7 1-3-1---5 0-1-2---3 0-0-3---3 0-0-1---1 0-0-1---1 Day 3 Tuesday 18. Gymnastics Artistic - Men's Team 1. United States 591.400 LA1 2. China 590.800 LA2 3. Soviet Union 590.300 FR1 19. Shooting - Men's 50m Running Target 1. Igor Sokolov URS 592 FR1 2. Tibor Bodnar HUN 591 FR2 3. Thomas Pfeiffer GDR 590 FR3 20. Shooting - Mixed Trap 1. Alexandr Asanov URS 199 FR1 2. Jorg Damme GDR 194 FR2 3. Josef Machan TCH 194 FR3 21. Shooting - Women's 10m Air Rifle 1. Pat Spurgin USA 393 LA1 2. Edith Gufler ITA 391 LA2 3. Svetlana Komaristova URS 390 FR1 22. Swimming - Men's 100m Freestyle 1. Rowdy Gaines USA 49.80 LA1 2. Mark Stockwell AUS 50.24 LA2 3. Sergey Smiriagin URS 50.26 FR1 23. Swimming - Men's 200m Backstroke 1. Sergei Zabolotnov URS 1.58.41 FR1 2. Vladimir Shemetov URS 1.59.54 FR2 3. Rick Carey USA 2.00.23 LA1 24. Swimming - Women's 400m Freestyle 1. Tiffany Cohen USA 4.07.10 LA1 2. Astrid Strauss GDR 4.07.66 FR1 3. Irina Laricheva URS 4.09.70 FR2 25. Swimming - Women's 4x100m Freestyle Relay 1. East Germany 3.42.41 FR1 2. United States 3.43.43 LA1 3. Soviet Union 3.44.31 FR2 26. Swimming - Women's 100m Backstroke 1. Ina Kleber GDR 1.00.99 FR1 2. Kristin Otto GDR 1.02.02 FR2 3. Theresa Andrews USA 1.02.55 LA1 27. Weightlifting - Men's 60kg (Featherweight) 1. Stefan Topurov BUL 322.5 FR1 2. Yurik Sarkisyan URS 315 FR2 3. Anton Kodzabashev BUL 295 FR3 Medal table (after Day 3, 27 events) 10-5-6---21 7-4-8---19 4-1-1---6 3-8-2---13 2-1-2---5 1-3-1---5 0-2-2---4 0-1-3---4 0-1-0---1 0-1-0---1 0-0-2---2 0-0-1---1

Thanks @Dragon it is very interesting. I wonder how it looks in W 100m when you use your magic program :-) As English Wikipedia says: Making such comparisons was unjustified, because of differing conditions and equipment. For example, Marlies Göhr's result of 10.95 in women's 100 metre run was slightly better than Evelyn Ashford's winning time of 10.97 at the 1984 Olympics, but when the two met head-to-head a week after the Friendship Games, Ashford was much faster than Göhr and set the new world record.

You can all write your silver and bronze predictions in the comments section. It will be very helpful.

Next poll one Event only, but sadly no time for more this week @Josh thanks a lot for you help in preparing this poll!!!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1365645203610663/permalink/2368006960041144/ i have copied/pasted esube work here and we got +100 downloads on one day I guess only one new user though…

My 4th rd brackets, probably all wrong m McDonald - Tiafoe Hurkacz - Medvedev Tsitsipas - Sinner Norrie - Auger-Aliassime Rublev - Humbert de Minaur - Djokovic Shelton - Wolf Bautista Agut - Paul w Świątek - Rybakina Ostapenko - Gauff Pegula - Krejcikova Keys - Sakkari Ka Pliskova - S Zhang Linette - Garcia Mertens - Bencic Vekic - L Fruhvirtova

Jan 13th version https://tickets.paris2024.org/obj/media/FR-Paris2024/ticket-prices.pdf?utm_terms=club_members&fbclid=IwAR1cIo0yjL1fuQzrxaULzr6MhGZ1i6qfzXgd47gZsdhCnih04Lgb3VryScY

Jan 13th version https://tickets.paris2024.org/obj/media/FR-Paris2024/ticket-prices.pdf?utm_terms=club_members&fbclid=IwAR1cIo0yjL1fuQzrxaULzr6MhGZ1i6qfzXgd47gZsdhCnih04Lgb3VryScY

[hide] Main Round January 18th - January 23rd, 2023 24 Nations, The 1st, 2nd-Placed Nations from each Group will qualify for the Quarterfinals. Group I Date & Time (GMT +1) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 January 18th 2023 Spain 6 Poland January 18th 2023 France 7 Montenegro January 18th 2023 Iran 5 Slovenia January 20th 2023 Montenegro 2 Poland January 20th 2023 Slovenia 1 Spain January 20th 2023 Iran 8 France January 22nd 2023 Spain 4 France January 22nd 2023 Montenegro 3 Slovenia January 22nd 2023 Iran 5 Poland Group II Date & Time (GMT +1) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 January 18th 2023 Portugal 2 Brazil January 18th 2023 Cape Verde 4 Iceland January 18th 2023 Sweden 6 Hungary January 20th 2023 Brazil 1 Hungary January 20th 2023 Cape Verde 6 Portugal January 20th 2023 Iceland 6 Sweden January 22nd 2023 Brazil 3 Iceland January 22nd 2023 Cape Verde 5 Hungary January 22nd 2023 Sweden 8 Portugal [/hide]

@esube could you please put here editable version of your excellent work here, if you don't mind. We could help you on this project then, if you're interested. I do admire all the work somebody else does for preparing Paris detailed schedule on this website, but your schedule is much more useful for me. It is one-page per-day in an easy manner to follow when you use this kind of timeline, of layout, if you know what I mean. Thanks in advance, have a good day.

Thanks a lot. I am obviously very interested how you counted these 214 athletes for Team Poland. So if you have time for it, let us know. Extra 12 hours, you say... Man, this is really impressive. I have been doing sth similar you did for some olympics back in the shooldays and it took me much more time. Respect. PS. And how does your TPE simulation look like???

LA 1984 day 3 summary Medal table (27 events) 10-5-6---21 7-4-8---19 4-1-1---6 3-8-2---13 2-1-2---5 1-3-1---5 0-2-2---4 0-1-3---4 0-1-0---1 0-1-0---1 0-0-2---2 0-0-1---1 USA vs USSR battle is warming up in the middle of the Cold War... Bulgaria is "the best of the rest" so far - 3 golds in weightlifting and 1 gold in shooting.

Day 3 events Gymnastics Artistic - Men's Team 1. United States 591.400 (LA1) 2. China 590.800 (LA2) 3. Soviet Union 590.300 (FR1) That was close final to say the least. 3 teams within 1.1 pts at the end. But I don't know whether simply comparing LA and Friendships results are reliable. I think it's not so easy to compare results from different competiton - different set of judges etc. @thiago_simoes i am very interested in your opinion here, if you'd like to pay attention to this little thread Shooting - Men's 50m Running Target 1. Igor Sokolov URS 592 (FR1) 2. Tibor Bodnar HUN 591 (FR2) 3. Thomas Pfeiffer GDR 590 (FR3) This is already 3rd Chinese LA gold lost here. 2 golds in weightlifting in the first 2 days, and now this one. And another event I miss a lot in today's olympics event schedule. Shooting - Mixed Trap 1. Alexandr Asanov URS 199 (FR1) 2. Jorg Damme GDR 194 (FR2) 3. Josef Machan TCH 194 (FR3) In LA it was mixed event, in FR it was men's only. Italy has sadly lost its LA gold here. No medal for Peru, either. Shooting - Women's 10m Air Rifle 1. Pat Spurgin USA 393 (LA1) 2. Edith Gufler ITA 391 (LA2) 3. Svetlana Komaristova URS 390 (FR1) Swimming - Men's 100m Freestyle 1. Rowdy Gaines USA 49.80 (LA1) 2. Mark Stockwell AUS 50.24 (LA2) 3. Sergey Smiriagin URS 50.26 (FR1) Swimming - Men's 200m Backstroke 1. Sergei Zabolotnov URS 1.58.41 (FR1) WR 2. Vladimir Shemetov URS 1.59.54 (FR2) 3. Rick Carey USA 2.00.23 (LA1) Swimming - Women's 400m Freestyle 1. Tiffany Cohen USA 4.07.10 (LA1) 2. Astrid Strauss GDR 4.07.66 (FR1) 3. Irina Laricheva URS 4.09.70 (FR2) Swimming - Women's 4x100m Freestyle Relay 1. East Germany 3.42.41 (FR1) WR 2. United States 3.43.43 (LA1) 3. Soviet Union 3.44.31 (FR2) NED has lost its silver here, 4th 0.09 sec behind Soviets. Swimming seems to be easy to compare, but in the real world i think NED might have been able to swim this 0.1 sec faster if they had fought USSR in the same race. Swimming - Women's 100m Backstroke 1. Ina Kleber GDR 1.00.99 (FR1) 2. Kristin Otto GDR 1.02.02 (FR2) 3. Theresa Andrews USA 1.02.55 (LA1) And another medal for Kristin Otto in LA. I wonder if all the Friendship Games medalists would pass the doping tests in LA... Weightlifting - Men's 60kg (Featherweight) 1. Stefan Topurov BUL 322.5 (FR1) 2. Yurik Sarkisyan URS 315 (FR2) 3. Anton Kodzabashev BUL 295 (FR3) Third BUL weightlifting gold in a row in LA. Third CHN weightlifting gold lost in a row in LA. Four CHN gold medals lost in LA within first 3 days. No gold for CHN in LA in our simulation yet.

This is brilliant news!!! 👍

Voting in this one is open now.

Another poll in the Paris series is still in the making, but in the meantime you can vote here if you wish.

@rajiv And Aussies are leading the medal table after Event #17 in our early Paris 2024 prediction polls So... no worries!!!

@Topicmaster1010 we will be waiting for version 2.0 in December with a great interest. But - for the time being - could you please share with us some info from time to time? Like, certain NOCs - which events they will qualify??? I know you have spent so much time on it already and don't want you to spend much time now again. So maybe you could start with some smaller NOCs, it won't take much time. Like e.g.

Good thing is we don't see 15 countries. 15 NOCs at the olympics, could you imagine that? Would be boring as hell.

Yes, you are 100% right. It seems to be eurocentric. What can we do to change the tide here? Firstly, I would invite You to join our voting if You wish. And i think a choice of events so far may be a factor here. And maybe (maaaybe) AUS has many golds in the olympic history, but they don't have that many events when they were GOATs. OR when they were popular's votes darlings. For example, i was pretty surprised that Matthew Mitcham has got only my wote in 10m Platform Diving competition... @dullard any thoughts on this???

Denis Kudla, USA is a LL and will play Safiullin today. No Kyrgios vs Rune battle in 3rd though... Good.