Cobi

1 hour ago, phelps said:

I'm still asking myself how  did qualify in the women's sabre and  didn't?  

 

the men's epee it's a different beast...there are so many teams more or less on the same level and it's really, really difficult to get into the top 4 (5) of the ranking

I wouldn't say they underperformed...they just missed out on a very complicated task

 is probably better than  in sabre, but Italian girls are stronger under pressure. We medaled in the 1st event of the OQR and after that we lost 44-45 against  at Euros and 44-45 against  at Worlds. This season we were paired four times in a row with  in T8, so no option of making it to the final. The only time when we didn't face  in T8 was the last event of the season, with the OQR already finished, and I think we took silver, but it was too late.

In epee there were 4 teams with similar level fighting for the European spot []. We made it to SFs in the first OQR World Cup, but after that we lost 32-37 against  at Euros (expected, but we had our chances during the match) and 43-44 against  at Worlds. Fortunately the other European teams didn't have great performances and we still had a chance, but during the summer our top guy Yulen Pereira broke his wrist and even after he came back, his level was not as good as it used to be.

7 hours ago, phelps said:

 got both of Today's Bronze medals  

 

in the men's Epee, the gold medal match is between the 2 historical arch-rivals...it's once again  vs  

That's funny considering we only had two team medals in European Championships until today and last one was 10 years ago

Unfortunately we failed to qualify for the Olympics which was the main goal. Both teams had enough level to make it, but as usual in Spanish fencing they underperformed when it mattered the most.

The Spanish team has been announced and Paula Badosa  wont't use her protected ranking. 

Singles:

• Carlos Alcaraz
• Rafael Nadal
• Pablo Carreño
• Alejandro Davidovich

• Sara Sorribes
• Cristina Bucsa

Pairs:

• Carlos Alcaraz & Rafael Nadal
• Marcel Granollers & TBD

• Sara Sorribes & Cristina Bucsa

The mixed pair will be decided during the Olympics and Jessica Bouzas will join the team if she receives a reallocation.

1 minute ago, phelps said:

missed that 

 

wouldn't be the 1st time (not talking of fencing specifically, just in general)

still, they're the 2 with the best ranking among the eligible Nations...it should count somehow

 

as it's written at the top of it, my list is only about fencers from eligible Nations ranked 250 or better

 doesn't have any

that said, I know that a few other Countries might get a spot because of politics, even if their representatives are really, really weak 

 

at the same time, personally, I hope for the good of the Olympic Fencing tournaments, that the smallest number of those Tripartite Places will be awarded and the the most possible good fencers from the AOR get the spots, instead

But Cabo Verde has one foilist, Victor Álvares, that at the very least is top150. Not sure about his current ranking, but I remember he even made it to the second day of World Cups from time to time. 

7 minutes ago, phelps said:

up

 

I think  (women's Epee),  X2 (men's Epee and Foil),  (men's Epee),  (women's Foil),  (men's Foil),  (men's Sabre) and  (women's Sabre) will get all the 8 tripartite places, no room for the AOR guys

Susana Fornaris retired from fencing last year due to an injury.

Furthermore it's unlikely for a country to receive two invitations in the same sport, so Mali should only get one. Especially in their situation where both fencers were raised in France and train there, so there is no benefit for the development of the sport.

And you are missing the most likely invitation which is  given the good relationship between FIE and its national federation.

1 hour ago, Faramir said:

Ilieva and Tulen gets the last spots. Now, since France had no need to use any host quota, there are 8 universality places for tripartite nations- too many, considering that a few of them qualified on their own. So some of them will be reallocated.

 

"if the Tripartite Commission is not able to allocate Universality Place(s), such unallocated Place(s) will be attributed by the FIE to the next highest-ranked eligible athlete in the Individual Senior Adjusted Official Ranking (AOR) as of 1 April 2024, across all weapon and all FIE Zones, but strictly respecting the following:

- The maximum number of athletes in each individual event (37) and

- The NOC must not have any athlete already qualified in the corresponding individual event "

 

The first eligible fencers in order should be

RANK	FENCER	NOC	POINTS
13	LLAVADOR Carlos	ESP	98	m foil
17	XIAO Ruien	CAN	76,5	w epee
19	BASHTA Anna	AZE	75	w sabre
20	ERBIL Nisanur	TUR	71	w sabre
23	BAYARD Alexis	SUI	68	m epee
23	TEODOSIU Iulian	ROU	66	m sabre
25	DI TELLA Isabel	ARG	58	w epee
28	PEREIRA Yulen	ESP	55	m epee

I think you are missing Eifler in sabre with 58.5 points.

3 hours ago, konig said:

Who want to swap with Argentina?

I can do it if you want. I won't be available for the afternoon and not sure about the morning.

Just now, Benolympique said:

How is it going, France had host country places that it will not use because it will qualify in all team weapons. Will these places be used?

There will be 8 Tripartite Invitations. If any of these 8 are not given (very likely to happen), the remaining will be distributed using the Olympic Ranking.

I will send my votes tonight.

6 minutes ago, Benolympique said:

45 - 28

 

Bronze Medal

 

enough to qualify us mathematically?

Yes

9 minutes ago, Illya said:

Interesting fact: if USA and Italy will be in a same half or quarter, Ukraine 'll get the spot. So it means that there is a scenario in which we can receive quota before competition even starts

You are already qualified!

 is currently Top4 and the only teams that can overtake you are .

 can only overtake you with a gold medal. If that happens,  could only overtake you with a silver medal.

In that case:

4th  288 (World spot)

5th  284 (Pan-Am spot)

6th  281 (European spot)

If  doesn't win the gold medal, they could only get 276 points and  would be ahead in Top5 and spot guaranteed.

2 minutes ago, phelps said:

there's also a small chance for the  to overtake  and get back to the situation where we were before Today, but it's a very remote chance

That's true, but the only case where  would miss out the Top5 is if  takes the gold medal and  silver. In this case,  would overtake  and make it to the Top4, granting  the European spot.

1 minute ago, phelps said:

yes, you're right 

 

I completely removed the fact that now there's a Pan-Am qualifier (), so, there's no place for the repechage spot 

 

unless, as you wrote,  drops out of the Top 16 (unlikely, but mathematically still possible if they don't make the top 16 in the last OQT: at that point,  making the Top 16 and  finishing at least 14th would kill 's dream of going to Paris)

 

however,  still have a marginal chance to overtake : they need to win the last OQT and hope that  end up 8th or worse

I think there is another very unlikely scenario in which  takes the gold medal,  silver and  and  loss their first match. If this happens,  drops out of top4 and takes the Asian spot,  does not make it to Top16 and can't take the Pan-Am spot and we would have a repechage spot between . But as I said, very difficult to happen.

@Federer91 Unfortunately, I think the situation is not easy for  because there is no way  finishes ahead of .

2 minutes ago, Federer91 said:

Looks like my math was wrong and i was prematurely celebrating  The other thing could be Korea out of top 4. 

 

Do you know what is the difference between Korea and Italy and if they could fall out of top 4? And vice-versa between Italy and Bulgaria and do we have a chance to pass them? And i know the worse result should be excluded from the final score, but what are they for these teams?

Yes, you can still pass Italy, but it's difficult. You need gold and  6th place or worse

1 minute ago, avlar said:

Congratulations to both our teams! Great result - we performed extremly well against Hugary today, I must say.

 

Bulgaria got bronze. So the battle for quotas is not finished for   

 

 

 

It is finished for . You are already qualified, congrats!

That also means that Martín-Portugués  and Gkountoura  secure the individual spots, even though  still has a very small chance to qualify as a team.

22 hours ago, Makedonas said:

Georgiadou fell in the quarterfinals, Gkountoura in the round of 16. So if my calculations are correct, Georgiadou (154) is 23 points behind Gkountoura (177).

 

The last chance will be in two weeks in Belgium. Here is what Georgiadou needs in order to qualify for the Olympics:

 

-Win at least silver and have Gkountoura lose in the round of 64

-Win gold and have Gkountoura lose in the round of 16 or round of 32

 

It's very unlikely...

I just did the maths and I think Gkountoura already secured the Greek spot, even if she loses in the round of 64 and Gkountoura takes the gold medal. Currently Georgiadou has 148 points instead of 154 and Gkountoura 174.

16 minutes ago, phelps said:

 

very good day for  but also for  and  

 

by beating the , we made sure that  now are going to overtake them in the OQR, entering the Top 4

 

this changes quite a few things, as the  are now the Pan-Am Continental qualifiers,  become the European qualifiers and  provisionally take the Repechage spot, even if they will have a tough task to defend that spot against  in the last OQT ( are theoretically still in contention, but it's highly unlikey they can make up for the points they lost today)

 

by the way, at the end of the day  and  will be able to enjoy the mathematical qualification to the Olympic Games

 

 are almost there (only a true catastrophe in the last OQR could move them out of qualifying position), same for  (African spot)

 

the only real fight is between  and  (and maybe ) for the Repechage spot

Unless I'm missing something,  is safe to get the Asian quota,  the European,  the American and  the African, so the only chance of having the Repechage quota between  is if  misses the Top 16, and that does not seem very likely at the moment.

3 hours ago, Gianlu33 said:

Men's 3m Syncro
Final Results

 

 China

442.41

 

Italy

384.24

 

Spain

383. 28

 

Full Final Result HERE

Shocking result. First ever world medal of Spain in an Olympic event of this sport and first time competing in synchro at the Olympics!

 ESPAÑA 

La La Love You & Samuraï - El principio de algo

Lyrics (Spanish):

 2-0 . Quota for Spain!

 is in!

2 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

@Jur @Cobi do either of your families employ the “Cagatio” thing in lieu of Santa Claus? I just learned about that practice this year.

Not in my case, but my family does not do Santa either, just "Reyes Magos", which is basically the same thing but in January 6th. I do have some friends in Catalonia that celebrate the Tió though.

And in the Basque Country they also have their own version of Santa. It is called the Olentzero if you want to check it out.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and the rest of this wonderful community! 😊

3 hours ago, Jur said:

I mean.... why?

 

They are americans so.... have them join the US team as everyone does with the people of their countries

North-Americans think they deserve special treatment. Nothing new .

Hopefully, IOC will not allow that. If you want to compete at the Olympics, get your own NOC.

13 minutes ago, Bohemia said:

Now I'm curious to know where in Europe this song was a success, because here it's well-known too!

It was fairly popular in Spain too!

At first, when I saw Julieta Venegas as the Mexican entry I thought that my 12 points were going to be to , but then I really liked both  and  songs and it was not easy to choose one.

By the way, I was disappointed when I was searching the Slovenian song in Spotify to add it to my main playlist and realized that it was not there .

Reserves: