MHSN

54 minutes ago, Fly_like_a_don said:

Assuming WT sticks to the rule of minimum 4 representatives in each category at continental qualifier there will reallocation in every category due to limited participation in Oceania

maybe, just maybe we are reading it wrongly. no way WT can do such a thing, that's like demolishing the Oceania qualifier. because I highly doubt we will see more than 3 competitors in any of those 8 events. maybe max 1 or 2

I think only when it comes to "reallocationg the quotas" they won't give it to the next guy if there are less than 4 competitors and that re-allocated quota will go to the World Ranking. 

35 minutes ago, Roamingrover86 said:

Wow Paalam  had to abandon his bout to Orezov 
He will be in the final qualifier (Bangkok) . Makes it so much more tougher for our boxer to qualify in 57kg.

The Mexican guy pinned Paalam to the ring by some wrestling techniques. he finished that bout on pain. I'm not surprised he didn't continue

but that means that piece of crap TKM boxer (who beat our guy completely unfairly) is going to the QF without doing anything.

6 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Amirali  also missed a skiing medal in giant slalom by 0.07 seconds. 

yeah we are becoming a superpower in winter sports  Canada and Norway should watch out

6 minutes ago, Pasolini said:

It's the same issue on tennis.

 

Will athletes from Russia and Belarus qualify differently or their "joint" team will have 4 female and 4 male quotas on individual?

And... will they be able to form a pair to doubles? and if so... could they form a Russian/Belarussian pair? 

I don't think so. as far as I understand they are not being considered as the same team. the IOC just uses the same term for both of them to confuse us 

oh shit, we will have the same drama again  looking at the ranking and seedings it's again very much possible to have that match right in the first round. hopefully not

1 minute ago, avlar said:

One more reason they added that Bronze final (with no finel on the schedule) is to deal with AINs if they are in top 2 and will be scratched later bu the IOC commission.

nope

we had them back in 2020 too 

I'm watching the next day draw and that made me confused 

Russia qualified one male athlete at the Grand Slam (V. Larin) and now they have M. Khramtcov trying to get the 2nd quota

but then I saw G. Gurtsiev at 58kg  but apparently he is representing Belarus now, kind of weird to move from one AIN to another AIN 

5 minutes ago, phelps said:

the head shot they gave  to win rd #1 wasn't even close to hitting the target, it landed on the shoulder

 

I was just referring to that, as it happened exactly in the moment I was writing that post...

 

however, it was the only controversial shot and finally the Bulgarian managed to lose it badly (for her soul) by herself (actually, she was just unlucky on the last hit)

that was electronically scored. not by human. 

5 minutes ago, Gianlu33 said:

Isn't the 3rd place useless? I remember that there are only 2 quota for each weight.

completely useless

just in case if someone withdraws later or tests positive for doping

which almost never happen in this sport

12 minutes ago, phelps said:

even if they're trying to earn  a shot in all possible ways 

there wasn't even a single doubtful call in that match, not sure what you are talking about.

feel really sorry for the Bulgarian girl though, she will not forget this defeat for so many years

today in Vehbi Emre tournament in Turkey 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4QmxSVoKsd/

this is the semifinal between  Mokhtari (blue) and  Saricicek (red) . both guys obviously got disqualified after this and their QF losers wrestled instead for a place in the final. Saricicek had a huge huge surprise before this and beat the World Champion Makhmudov.

it was also our internal trials for the Olympics (first for the OQT) Mokhtari beat his main local opponent in the QF but after his disqualification the other guy took his chance and won the gold, which means he is going to the Asian OQT. You always benefit from someone else's dumb mistake  

1 hour ago, NearPup said:

Now that artistic swimming has reformed it's scoring system I think it's fair to say that boxing has the worst judging of any Olympic sport.

 

I wouldn't be upset to see the sport dropped entirely for that reason (my preference would be for them to get the judging into shape, but... that doesn't seem to be happening)

my point is. if you watch any sport for the first time. after few hours. or maximum few days you will have a pretty good idea about the officiating. you don't need to read the rules to know who is better or who will get the better score (except for close calls) but in boxing it's just random. 

I know some refs are corrupt and favor certain countries but I mostly think they are just very bad and don't care. they randomly give a 10-9 to someone. the officiating was always bad in amateur boxing and it's only getting worse and worse

taking a look at the brackets and I can see at least 6 former/current Iranians (and I think there will be 2 more for the 2nd day)  no other country has that number in Euro qualifiers 

surprised to not see Mehdi Khodabakhshi here . for some reasons I would only cheer for him (and maybe Beigi)

and now I missed the days when we couldn't watch this shit and just had the final result and I seriously mean it.

even the commentator(s) were surprised by the verdict of Shahbakhsh's fight. I know I am biased but the English commentator said it so many times that how the hell the bout is not finished after the 2nd round. 

I seriously hate watching this sport , even when I watch Rhythmic Gymnastics or freestyle skiing (sports i know nothing about) I can guess who is getting the better score but in boxing, you can think guy A completely dominated the match but then guy B gets all the scores from the refs.

two more wins tonight, which means 5 out of our 6 boxers survived the non-live-stream era. and from now on if they lose at least we can watch it 

15 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Edit: oh wait, it's not even '1 athlete per weight class', but 'X athletes in total, where X is lower than the number of weight classes'?  

Yeah, that's the problem. I understand and agree with 1 athlete per weight class rule. the current format says 2 (out of 4) per gender. you can have a full team only if all of them finish in top 5 (or in some cases 6) of the world ranking which is really hard. lots of athletes in top 10 of World ranking will miss the Olympic because their NOCs already qualified 2. 

Taekwondo entered the Olympics back in 2000, at the time it was all Korea, IOC made this rule to prevent Korea from winning easy 8 gold medals. but this is not the same anymore. Korea struggles to even qualify lots of athletes. 

46 minutes ago, prso1000 said:

Really small and partially really weak fields (in other continents it’s not better or different) I think Taekwondo needs to rethink the qualification process to improve quality of the Olympic tournament. 
 

I would suggest something like: 

6/7via ranking with 2 years period 

1/2 via Grand Slam

4 via continental qualification (Oceania to go with another continent) with restricted eligibility, same as now 

3 world qualification but no eligibility restriction 

1 host quota /universality place 

 

yes the field is weak because of the obvious reason of limiting countries 

I agree with your general idea , but I would drop the Grand Slam completely. it's a waste of time. also 4 Wild Cards are too much. no room for charity with only 16 athletes per weight. (it's not like Judo with millions of quotas)

from what I head WT is going to change its ranking system, it will be 2 years period (which makes more sense than 4 years) and if my memory serves me well they are thinking about a new qualification system, something like Judo, awarding all quotas by the ranking. at least that's a proposal they are thinking about.

btw if some people here are happy about the restrictions in this sport (which is already developed in all continents), what would they say about the same idea in athletics or swimming ? I mean you can enter just one swimmer in all freestyle events, that sounds terrible, right ?

48 minutes ago, Benolympique said:

chances for non-qualified nations?

didn't check the list of non-qualified nations, is Afghanistan still there ? they have two chances here, one of them more realistic at 58kg

Asian Qualifier Entry list

https://worldtkd.simplycompete.com/eventDetails/11eebc5b-c0f8-558d-872c-06ec6d5493b5/5

it's possible to calculate the bracket , that will be based on the March ranking.

from what I see our M+80 athlete has a clear path to the quota but W49kg looks tough, she will run into Asian Games Champion Su Po-ya in the semifinal.

South Korea also decided to send someone at W57kg. it's the first time after so many years that they are forced to participate in the Asian OQT.

12 minutes ago, Roamingrover86 said:

When can we expect entry list for Asian qualifiers? I think we will be sending two different teams for Asian championships & Asian qualifiers. 

I expect them to release the list in a week or two. Asian Champs list should be published first though

but with UWW there is no timeline for this, they publish the lists whenever they want  for example African Champs and African/Oceania Qualifier will happen before the Euro Qualifiers but still no list which makes me wonder if there is a change 

yeah it makes sense to send two different teams, I expect most Asian top teams (Iran, Japan, Korea, India, China, KGZ, UZB, KAZ, MGL) to do the same. 

6 hours ago, prso1000 said:

Would be very interested in your prediction for GR 

it's hard to tell without having the brackets because even order of matches matter but I can make a short list of favorites for now , of course I will write in details after getting the draw

in no order

60 

67 

77 

87 

97 

130

Entry list for the European qualifier, the list is not final but will have only few changes 

https://arena.uww.org/weight-category/1eedaad3-a110-6ece-86c8-65c730caa373

the seeding is correct but most of better wrestlers are unseeded making it almost useless.

no Armenia at all, for obvious reasons  it seems participating here is necessary to compete in the last World Qualifier. but Armenia will be an exception and UWW will allow them to wrestle.

Russia didn't register a freestyle team yet. and their 97kg Greco guy (and that's Sargsian and not the Oly Champs Evloev) is wrongly listed for 97kg FS. they will enter a freestyle team for sure. 

no Kurugliev for GRE at 86kg which means he still has paperwork to do.

well both Shahbakhsh and Gheshlaghi survived the first night to fight another day. I don't have much hopes (for obvious reasons, mostly the officiating) but let's see how far they can go in this tournament

ah, that sucks, being the first team below the qualification line  only if they were lucky with one more result going in their favor in other matches.

1 hour ago, Sindo said:

@MHSN How Wrestling is considered an Olympic qualification event here? Surely not a direct one, but why is it considered as indirect Qualification event? Thanks!

It is not as far as I know

per UWW's weird rules NOCs have to participate in continental Champs to be eligible for the continental qualifiers (with the same number of wrestlers) and there is an African Champs (for all age groups including seniors) listed in UWW website for few days later. I just checked their website and the event is still there. so unless they changed something which I doubt, African Games has nothing to do with the Olympics