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Ok so I think after all entries are registered we can draw the groups and allocate the jurors to the matches. The jurors have until the beginning of the first matchday in the groups to vote on their matches in the group stage. After the group stages we will invite increasing numbers of jurors to vote in each round until the final medal matches where everyone will vote.

I think in my original plan having random jurors for each match seemed reasonable as i thought everything was going to be pre-planned and all votes cast in advance. That way we would know the number of participants, how to equally divide the juries so they vote in same amount of matches etc. But it's too messy now and I foresee a lot of headaches as it will be a day-to-day thing. So yes I think where possible having the easiest solutions is going to be how to organise this. Alternatively, I am happy to hand over management of the contest as surely others will make a better job of it in the time given. I just can't dedicate enough time over that period unfortunately so that's why I'm looking at the most manageable options.

I think the easiest way to solve the jury voting in each match is just to allow everyone to vote in each match except for those jurors who have songs in that group.

No one will be disqualified for not voting, there is no need for that. And about the nations, that's fine too, first come first serve, all complaints go to @dcro We can go for any match points format, like I said, it is of no difference to me really. But we need solutions for every scenario as well as exact format for when each voting round begins. Because the problem is, I will also not be available every day so it's very tricky with this format of voting day-to-day.

Ok so I have drawn up a quick set of guidelines. This is just a draft and not complete. I just need to write something down so I have some idea what we are dealing with and to see what users think and want. Have a read through and comment regarding any aspect. Also, the format of the group matches in terms of match points, let me know if you want a simple format like 3 points for win, 1 point for draw kind of format. And I have written that users can represent the same nation providing they enter a different song? I'm not sure if this is what you want? It's probably the least messy though and allows all participants to be happy that they can choose relatively freely. We will also need to discuss when jurors get to vote... I mean if we assign 10 jurors to vote in a match and some don't vote then what happens? If we aren't pre-preparing anything then we need to cover those scenarios or else it will become a mess. Totallympics International Song Contest - Special Event Rules: Participants will represent nations who have never taken part in a TISC event. Participants will keep their entries secret and send their choice via private message to the host organiser @OlympicIRL. Participants must not share with each other which song they have entered as this will all be revealed at the end of the contest. There will be no multi-juries. Members from the same nation are free to choose any nation they wish so long as that nation has not taken part in TISC previously. Participants may represent the same nation, as long as they have entered with different songs. The competition will follow a round-robin group stage format followed by a knock-out phase to determine the champions. The specific format will be finalised when the final number of participants is known. Each match will consists of 1 vs 1 contests between songs with a select number of jurors (members) voting on each match. The jurors voting will not be revealed until the end of the contest so that the maximum level of secrecy can be kept intact. Jurors will not be involved in the matches of their own songs. Where possible, each juror will vote on an equal amount of matches. All jurors will be asked to vote in the medal matches. The jurors voting in each match will be decided in advance of the contest by random draw and will be kept secret. Jurors will be informed in advance by private message from the organiser as to which matches they will be voting on and the times allocated to their voting schedule. The results of the matches will be revealed at a set time each day. The full schedule will be finalised when the final number of participants is known. Window opens for members to register and enter their song (via private message). Friday June 19th Window closes for members to register and enter their song (via private message). Friday July 10th Points Scoring Format For Group Stages: 10 Jurors vote in each match: Win by 10-0 = 5 points Win by 9-1 = 4 points Win by 8-2 = 4 points Win by 7-3 = 3 points Win by 6-4 = 3 points Draw 5-5 = 2 points Lose by 4-6 = 1 point Lose by 3-7 - 1 point Lose by 2-8 = 0 points Lose by 1-9 = 0 points Lose by 0-10 = -1 point

Yes absolutely. So a fair system would be to have each member voting in equal amount of matches in group stage. In knock outs then we can perhaps keep increasing the number of jury members voting in each match. Or at least making sure that every member votes in each round. And in the final everyone votes.

I will come up with a plan for the format by this weekend and post it here for you all to comment. I will probably decide to go for the groups and knockout system with 1 v 1 matches like we discussed and with random jury members voting in each match. Also participants’ song choices will remain hidden. I don’t think it’s going to be anything spectacular since it will just be revealing day to day who won the various matches but it’s something unique from TISC which is good. And since we have milestone TISC #15 coming up soon then I think it will be ok for this special event to be more low-key and different in style.

Yes this will need to be decided soon and we haven’t received many suggestions in the meantime. I think the Totallympics Games are cancelled now. So is it still wise for us to pursue a multi-day format? How do we maximise the amount of interest in the contest? Having one single day for a live show? Or if it is just split into groups and revealing results of matches each day, is that also interesting enough? I am happy to do either but I will need to know for sure by next week. And also if it’s split over multiple days, there might be problem with organising it as I may not be available every one of those days since I am on holiday for those 2 weeks and will probably spend some time going on local trips (depending on virus situation of course).

Not even close, but it was by far the best this year.

Iceland, the real winners

I think it's for the best this year's contest was cancelled... the entries were dreadful

Man this is even more cheesy than usual

Same I have no idea what to expect but since there’s nothing else going on I’ll give it a try

Yeah fair enough, I guess pre-ranking all the songs is a lot of effort and probably not the ideal way of deciding outcomes. I will leave it up to you all to decide on the format.

Well in normal TISC everything is resolved before the Grand Final and it's still exciting since no one knows the end result until it happens. But it's fair enough. I am just thinking about the logistics of hosting something over multiple days and also trying to gather results each day. Plus I think it's fairer to have the judges vote in advance of the entire tournament for the simple reason that I think people like an underdog. If it looks like a song is a big favourite and has won all their matches 8-0 or something, then people tend to get a bit bored of that and so will choose differently.

I think expecting people to come and vote multiple times within a specific time frame would be a disaster tbh plus it would mean extra stress for the host to make sure they are present every day. Also listing the judges would mean there is no longer secrecy about who chose which songs. If you see 9 judges listed for a match, you know those 9 users did not enter that song.

Yes we still have plenty of time to discuss the format. So far the plan is to have the following elements: Participating members represent nations that have not taken part in TISC The nation that each member chooses and their song choice will be kept secret The contest will be held in a tournament style event (group stages and knock-out matches) For each match, a number of jury members will be randomly picked to judge that match That's the basic outline which of course can change as you all have your input into what kind of contest you want. Some things that need to be decided also: If more than one user chooses the same nation, what happens? Do we just allow each of those entries to compete? If not then how do we decide who gets the right to represent that nation? At what point is it revealed who represented each nation? Probably at the end of the contest would be the best. At what point do we reveal who judged the various matches? Again most likely at the end of the contest. I think at the beginning, when all the entries are submitted, each users ranks the songs in secret and based on those rankings is how we decide how each user judged a match. Also this ranking at the start can be used to make seeds for the groups. Everything will be kept private and participants won't know who is seeded until it is all concluded. The organiser also would most likely have to remain neutral because there is a great deal of secrecy involved in terms of who chose which songs and their preferences.

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I have no idea about that

Undoubtedly it would have had some impact on the result.

You are late for a contest that took place 22 years ago. That’s even bad by latewoodu standards

Croatia with a very good placing @dcro

This was a catchy song for sure (probably would have got a 5 points or so from me. I hate that Malta didn't win though.

Yeah but Netherlands got many 12 points, it would be stupid to boo them for getting 12 points from Belgium just because they are neighbours. BUT Greece had 0 points and Cyprus as usual gives them 12 and vice versa.... I mean deserved to be booed.

Malta