Men's American Football NFL 2020

[John Foyne 41]

Just to play devil's advocate. What about the "Notre Dame Fighting Irish"? "The Fighting Irish might be one of most racist names out there, it was given to the school by a local sports writers, who described the play of the Catholic school as scrappy. This was at a time in American History where being Irish was only a step above being black or asian. The origins of the nickname stem from a desire to differentiate Notre Dame for its Catholicism. It is a negative portrayal of Catholics and immigrants. It is a stereotype of the violent Irish. 

 

Most of the young men who attended the school at the time were young immigrants, mainly Catholics from Ireland. The name stuck around. And many took on the name with pride. To do this day most Irish are not offended by that name, but actually take it as a compliment. 

 

So here's my question: A team name that is clearly racist in origins, perhaps more so than "Redskins", but isn't found offensive by the people of that culture, does it need changing? That is all.  

[Olympian1010 8,276]

6 minutes ago, JohnFoyne said:

Just to play devil's advocate. What about the "Notre Dame Fighting Irish"? "The Fighting Irish might be one of most racist names out there, it was given to the school by a local sports writers, who described the play of the Catholic school as scrappy. This was at a time in American History where being Irish was only a step above being black or asian. The origins of the nickname stem from a desire to differentiate Notre Dame for its Catholicism. It is a negative portrayal of Catholics and immigrants. It is a stereotype of the violent Irish. 

 

Most of the young men who attended the school at the time were young immigrants, mainly Catholics from Ireland. The name stuck around. And many took on the name with pride. To do this day most Irish are not offended by that name, but actually take it as a compliment. 

 

So here's my question: A team name that is clearly racist in origins, perhaps more so than "Redskins", but isn't found offensive by the people of that culture, does it need changing? That is all.  

So you’ve answered your own question. The name “Fighting Irish,” while racially motivated, is seen with pride from people with that background. If Irish Americans weren’t okay with that name, it would need to be changed as well. However, as you say, they seem to be okay with it, so the name can stay.

 

 

[Grassmarket 4,128]

10 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

You first point is 100% correct.

 

The name is itself is incredibly racist though. It doesn’t hurt anyone to change it. It does add to centuries of pain for some to keep it though. So the right thing to do is change it. 
 

Allowing the name to remain, is allowing racism to remain. Removing name won’t “cure” racism, but it will be a step in the right direction towards a brighter future for this country.

 

1. Change all the names, 
2. Take down all the statues
3. Release all the criminals
4. Get rid of all the Police
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15. Brighter future for the country.

 

I’d like more information about steps 5-14 before I sign up.

 

 

 

 

[Olympian1010 8,276]

5 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

 

1. Remove names, take down statues, get rid of Police
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10. Brighter future for the country.

 

I’d like more information about steps 2-9 before I sign up.

 

 

 

 

We’ll probably never get past step #1 without falling apart as a country, but here’s what I think needs to be done. These are very simplified points, but hopefully they get my thoughts across.

 

Defund the Police. This doesn’t mean get rid of them. This means that we take money from their budget, and put it towards initiatives and services that will uplift our communities and make real progress towards preventing crime, instead of merely suppressing it. Police in this country are severely overworked, so this should actually help improve the quality of their jobs, and allow them to focus more on crime, rather then mental health services, solving small domestic disputes, responding to medical calls, etc.
 

Improve education standards about slavery and the treatment of Native Americans. These concepts need to be further discussed in history classes. We should learn from our past, and not continue to repeat the same behaviors. In California, all 4th graders are required to visit a Mission, and learn about the way the Spanish treated Native Americans when they first settled California. More states should follow our example. 

 

Take down monuments and statues that were erected after the Civil War to glorify white supremacy. The majority of controversial statues were built during surges in white supremacy in the late 1800s and the early 1900s. They aren’t meant to teach history. They are meant to glorify people who wished to impose a system of white supremacy upon this country. 

The point above would include renaming places/teams that are downright racist to groups of people they supposedly represent. 
 

That would be a good start.

 

[Grassmarket 4,128]

10 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

 

Take down monuments and statues that were erected after the Civil War to glorify white supremacy. The majority of controversial statues were built during surges in white supremacy in the late 1800s and the early 1900s. They aren’t meant to teach history. They are meant to glorify people who wished to impose a system of white supremacy upon this country. 
 

How important is it to remember that all these people - the subject of the statues, the builders, those who paid for them - were 95% Democrats?  That all the white supremacists were Democrats?  
 

Because you seem strangely reluctant to mention that.

[Olympian1010 8,276]

Just now, Grassmarket said:

How important is it to remember that all these people - the subject of the statues, the builders, those who paid for them - were 95% Democrats?  That all the white supremacists were Democrats?  
 

Because you seem strangely reluctant to mention that.

The people who built those statues were 100% Democrats. The Democratic Party has a dark past, and it’s absolutely a discussion the party needs to have. They need to figure out a way to best makeup for their past failures. Tearing down those statutes would be a good way to start.

And because you seem to think this was clever:

How important is it to remember, though, that all these people - those who are defending the statues, the subjects of the statues, the builders, and those who paid for them - are 100% Republicans?  That all the white supremacists are now Republicans?  
 

Because you seem strangely reluctant to mention that.

 
See how easy that game is to play?  

[Dunadan 1,103]

Plot twist: the team is (more or less) from Washington D.C. so it will be named Washington Columbians, with Columbus in the new logo.

[heywoodu 16,182]

5 minutes ago, Dunadan said:

Plot twist: the team is (more or less) from Washington D.C. so it will be named Washington Columbians, with Columbus in the new logo.

That would a hilarious recipe for disaster  

[phelps 8,406]

they should be named the Washington Losing Hypocrites, with a new logo mixing FedEx and Nike's...

 

actually, this is the only imagine they give of themselves...

[John Foyne 41]

https://sports.yahoo.com/tons-of-redskins-nickname-options-have-been-trademarked-by-a-guy-in-virginia-154239747.html
 

Someone is trolling the Washington American Football Team. A man in Virginia has already trademarked a bunch of possible new names for that the team is looking to use as replacements. The Washington team can’t use those names without paying them owner a huge fee.