Agger 1,591 Posted February 17, 2020 #311 Share Posted February 17, 2020 44 minutes ago, Monzanator said: This is the same BS excuse they used to get rid of time trial races in cross country. Now even 10km is a damn mass start there. Totally pathetic. It's 21st century, you got big TV screens in the stadium where you can follow the live results PLUS everyone has a damn smartphone these days where you can follow the live results. IBU's live timing page is a work of art where you can check everything instantly. Don't sell me "people are confused" crap because it's a complete nonsense. It's not 1979 anymore. Worrying about how it is to be a spectator is not BS! And it's not BS to think that it's complicated! Having been to time trials in cycling, I have no doubt that it's complicated to follow the same thing with several laps and adding the shooting. It's not like there are big screens everywhere and with athletes more or less constantly passing by, spending time with the live timing isn't necessarily possible. That's honestly where this site gets frustrating sometimes. We can all agree about the conclusion (remember, I'm strongly against how it's getting more and more about mass starts in and once again, I miss the good old individual 50km as well and I'm against cutting the individual in biathlon), but it becomes frustratingly automatic that because their ideas of a solution is bad, the reasoning is as well. Olympian1010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,570 Posted February 17, 2020 #312 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Agger said: Having been to time trials in cycling, I have no doubt that it's complicated to follow the same thing with several laps and adding the shooting. If there are screens showing the standings - and better, if internet is working fine - it's just not. Plus even the IBU Cups have stadium speakers helping you out, no doubt the World Cup has the same. It's easily possible to keep an eye on live timing if internet works fine (which is a bigger issue in such an event), also with athletes passing by. Just keep the live timing open and you need like 5 seconds to take a quick peek. There's always moments in which no athlete passes by. Edited February 17, 2020 by heywoodu Monzanator 1 If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,607 Posted February 17, 2020 #313 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Agger said: Worrying about how it is to be a spectator is not BS! And it's not BS to think that it's complicated! Having been to time trials in cycling, I have no doubt that it's complicated to follow the same thing with several laps and adding the shooting. It's not like there are big screens everywhere and with athletes more or less constantly passing by, spending time with the live timing isn't necessarily possible. That's honestly where this site gets frustrating sometimes. We can all agree about the conclusion (remember, I'm strongly against how it's getting more and more about mass starts in and once again, I miss the good old individual 50km as well and I'm against cutting the individual in biathlon), but it becomes frustratingly automatic that because their ideas of a solution is bad, the reasoning is as well. I'm sorry but nobody convinces me a 10k mass start is exciting and time trials are boring. Time trials are getting removed due to TV demands. They want a short, sweet event with a fixed time zone. It has nothing to do with "fans being confused". TV doesn't want a three hour time window for a 50km time trial so they forced the mass start BS where you can turn away to show sth else at any stage. After all, you might as well show the start and the last 5-10 kms since it's all that matters. Nothing what happens between 1-45 kms really matters. You know the Norwegians will split the pack to 20-30 top athletes literally 5kms into the race anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,516 Posted February 17, 2020 #314 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Biathlon is heading towards cross country skiing where the fastest skiers will win all the time regardless of missed shots. Slower skiers will have no chance to be rewarded for a perfect shooting. Even now Lisa Teresa Hauser has no chance of a podium finish even if she hits 20/20. Nadezhda Skardino was probably the last of Olympic medallists who was rewarded for her shooting skills while being a mediocre skier. Which is why Individual should be kept on the program . I’m allowed to say “We should keep this, it’s just not the most interesting event”. By decreeing the end of times, you’re showing your age too Edited February 17, 2020 by Olympian1010 “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassmarket 2,786 Posted February 17, 2020 #315 Share Posted February 17, 2020 In a time trial over a hundred athletes can start. In a mass start, 60 maximum. So they’d be getting rid of all the minor countries. RobtheAggie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,607 Posted February 17, 2020 #316 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Olympian1010 said: Which is why Individual should be kept on the program . I’m allowed to say “We should keep this, it’s just not the most interesting event”. By decreeing the end of times, you’re showing your age too Your generation's ideas are usually short-attention span nonsense tbh. Break dance as Olympic sport takes the cake so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,516 Posted February 17, 2020 #317 Share Posted February 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, heywoodu said: If there are screens showing the standings - and better, if internet is working fine - it's just not. Plus even the IBU Cups have stadium speakers helping you out, no doubt the World Cup has the same. It's easily possible to keep an eye on live timing if internet works fine (which is a bigger issue in such an event), also with athletes passing by. Just keep the live timing open and you need like 5 seconds to take a quick peek. There's always moments in which no athlete passes by. We didn’t have speakers or commentary at the Soldier Hollow World Cup (at least not that you could hear). I do agree with @Agger that having to watch a race by looking a TV to see the skiing, looking at my phone to see the shooting stats, and using my tablet to look at the times is highly annoying. “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,607 Posted February 17, 2020 #318 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Grassmarket said: In a time trial over a hundred athletes can start. In a mass start, 60 maximum. So they’d be getting rid of all the minor countries. That's the whole idea. The big countries want to create a special environement where only they can dominate. Big nations, big TV markets, big money. Nobody wants someone from Kazakhstan as biathlon's top performer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,570 Posted February 17, 2020 #319 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Grassmarket said: In a time trial over a hundred athletes can start. In a mass start, 60 maximum. So they’d be getting rid of all the minor countries. And that is in an unfair format only, either the pursuit or the mass start 60. If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,570 Posted February 17, 2020 #320 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said: We didn’t have speakers or commentary at the Soldier Hollow World Cup (at least not that you could hear). I do agree with @Agger that having to watch a race by looking a TV to see the skiing, looking at my phone to see the shooting stats, and using my tablet to look at the times is highly annoying. Then you're just not used to watching it yet For me it doesn't feel different than when I'm watching F1 with live timing on another screen. If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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