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mihamiha    88

thiefs and criminals.no slovenia who would beat half of those teams.we were invited in second league,but our federation allready ruled out that move.

:facepalm::mad::sick::crazy::mirror::water: its all about a money once again

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hoversaBR    53
16 minutos atrás, mihamiha disse:

thiefs and criminals.no slovenia who would beat half of those teams.we were invited in second league,but our federation allready ruled out that move.

:facepalm::mad::sick::crazy::mirror::water: its all about a money once again

Calm down, I'm sure Japan vs. South Korea is much more attractive than Slovenia vs. Belgium. :evil: I'm confident these two teams together will win more than 5 sets. :pope:

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VolleyRuller96    166
5 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Why does the women's Champions League start with a 2nd round? And does every team participate in that? I'm confused about the format, but interested since for the first time in 9 years there's a Dutch team in it :d 

 

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEV_Champions_League_2017-2018_(pallavolo_femminile)#Torneo

Well, we had round 1 in both men's and womens competition last year, so my guess this year there were too few teams to organise a proper first round (still why they call this round "round 2" instead of "round 1" is probably understable only to CEV officials :lol:"

Also, just like in football, the competition format is open, so each european country can send at least one team, national champions or Cup winners to participate in the qualification, with better countries having more slots available and starting competition at later level. That is theory, the truth is nobody wants to compete for the ridiculous price of 50.000 Euro for the champions :(

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heywoodu    3,207
3 minutes ago, VolleyRuller96 said:

Well, we had round 1 in both men's and womens competition last year, so my guess this year there were too few teams to organise a proper first round (still why they call this round "round 2" instead of "round 1" is probably understable only to CEV officials :lol:"

Also, just like in football, the competition format is open, so each european country can send at least one team, national champions or Cup winners to participate in the qualification, with better countries having more slots available and starting competition at later level. That is theory, the truth is nobody wants to compete for the ridiculous price of 50.000 Euro for the champions :(

 

Well, but all the teams in the competition will play in this 2nd round that started today? Or do the winners of this 2nd round advance to the 3rd, and the winners of those go to the group stage? Or is there no group stage? It's annoying that there's no English wiki page :p 

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VolleyRuller96    166
1 minute ago, heywoodu said:

 

Well, but all the teams in the competition will play in this 2nd round that started today? Or do the winners of this 2nd round advance to the 3rd, and the winners of those go to the group stage? Or is there no group stage? It's annoying that there's no English wiki page :p 

Yes, the winners of Round 2 advance to Round 3 and then winners of Round 3 qualify to the group stage where they will be drawn into 4 groups with 4 teams each. 

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heywoodu    3,207
2 minutes ago, VolleyRuller96 said:

Yes, the winners of Round 2 advance to Round 3 and then winners of Round 3 qualify to the group stage where they will be drawn into 4 groups with 4 teams each. 

 

So:

 

- 12 teams in round 2

- 8 teams in round 3 (6 round 2 winners + Vafikbank and Enisej, which seems odd, because why not last year's runner-up Conegliano?)

 

That gives four round 3 winners....the other 12 teams for the group stage are prequalified? Then again, why would 12 teams be prequalified, but both finalists of last year have to play qualifications? Or is that only due to their position in the national leagues? :p 

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VolleyRuller96    166
7 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

 

So:

 

- 12 teams in round 2

- 8 teams in round 3 (6 round 2 winners + Vafikbank and Enisej, which seems odd, because why not last year's runner-up Conegliano?)

 

That gives four round 3 winners....the other 12 teams for the group stage are prequalified? Then again, why would 12 teams be prequalified, but both finalists of last year have to play qualifications? Or is that only due to their position in the national leagues? :p 

Only 4 teams qualify to the Group Stage, the rest of the places is taken by the teams from the best ranked leagues (http://www.volleyball.ch/fileadmin/user_uploads/manually_uploads_via_webtool/EC_RANKING.pdf).
There is no rule that says the reigning champions are pre-qualified. If they won't end season in their National League that would guarantee them a place at least in the qualifying round, they will be absent from the Champions League.

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heywoodu    3,207

Wait, one more question: if Sliedrecht wins 3-0 now, is a 1-3 loss in Belgium later enough to qualify?

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VolleyRuller96    166
6 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Wait, one more question: if Sliedrecht wins 3-0 now, is a 1-3 loss in Belgium later enough to qualify?

No - although it is kind of invisible, the scoring in play-off games and qualifications uses the same set of rules as in group matches, so 3-0 or 3-1 win gets 3 points, 3-2 win gets 2 point, 2-3 defeat gets one point, and 0-3 or 1-3 defeat gets 0 points.

So a 3-0 win and then a 1-3 defeat would be interpreted as a draw, because each team would have won 3 points for the match they won. In such case, a special "golden set" is played to determine the winner. It plays like a regular tie-break, you have to score 15 points to win, having at least  2 points more than the opponent.  -the rule is actually quite similar to the extra time in football. The same rule applies if you win 3-2 and then lose 2-3.

So basically to qualify to the next round,  a team has to win 3 sets in the first match, and then another 2 sets in the second leg. 

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VolleyRuller96    166

What a Tragedy before the SERIE A game between Civitanova and Ravenna... Shortly before the start of match a spectator has collapsed and died :cry: both clubs decided the game should be postponed to a later date

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