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Sidorova has a good chance, but not 100 % (thanks to Nageotte, Bradshaw and Morris). Shubenkov definitely doesn’t have a 100 % chance (not even close to it), thanks to Holloway, Ortega, the second American guy, Levy, maybe McLeod and maybe the Japanese guy. Lasitskene hasn’t shown much recently from what I recall, not sure how you get to 80 %. She will have to beat Cunningham, the two Ukrainian girls and the Australian girls. Shkurenyov 60 % is beyond absurd. I would say 30 % if we are super generous. Your last sentence is pretty comical, especially looking at the history of Shubenkov.

Did this competition take place in Uzbekistan by any chance?

I don’t really think that most German fans are too bothered by this. Most are just happy that Löw is finally gone. Personally I am glad that I missed this game, apparently I didn’t really miss much.

Thanks. She will be replaced by Wattel from France with 53.32.

I posted the men’s rankings in the „Swimming at the Summer Olympic Games 2020“ thread.

Top 8 times this year of athletes who will compete at the Olympics (to the best of my knowledge): In events, where Someone ranked in the top 8 might not compete, I also included the 9th ranked athlete. Below the top 8 I added my prediction for the athletes who will make the final. Men: 50 free: Dressel 21.04 Morozov 21.41 Proud 21.42 Andrew 21.48 Gkolomeev 21.60 Liukkonen 21.61 De Boer 21.62 Manaudou 21.67 Dressel, Morozov, Andrew, Proud, Manaudou, Gkolomeev, Fratus, Seeliger/Hayden/De Boer 100 free: Kolesnikov 47.31 Dressel 47.39 Miressi 47.45 Chalmers 47.59 Apple 47.72 Minakov 47.74 Nemeth 47.84 Scott 47.87 Kolesnikov, Dressel, Apple, Chalmers, Miressi, Minakov, Popovici, Grousset/Nemeth/Hwang 200 free: Scott 1:44.47 Dean 1:44.58 Matsumoto 1:44.65 Malyutin 1:44.79 Hwang 1:44.96 Smith 1:45.29 Chalmers 1:45.48 Girev 1:45.49 Scott, Dean, Matsumoto, Malyutin, Hwang, Smith, Chalmers, Rapsys/Popovici/Haas 400 free: Winnington 3:42.65 McLoughlin 3:43.27 Malyutin 3:44.18 Wellbrock 3:44.35 (might not compete) Auböck 3:44.51 Detti 3:44.65 De Tullio 3:44.83 Märtens/Smith 3:44.86 Winnington, McLoughlin, Malyutin, Detti, De Tullio, Märtens, 2 out of Smith/Rapsys/Auböck/Hafnaoui/Djakovic 800 free: Paltrinieri 7:41.96 (might not compete) McLoughlin 7:42.51 Romanchuk 7:42.61 Hafnaoui 7:45.54 Detti 7:46.10 Auböck 7:46.72 Christiansen 7:47.99 Wellbrock 7:48.12 Finke 7:48.22 Paltrinieri (if he competes, otherwise Finke/Egorov), McLoughlin, Romanchuk, Hafnaoui, Detti, Auböck, Christiansen, Wellbrock 1500 free: Wellbrock 14:36.45 Romanchuk 14:39.89 Paltrinieri 14:40.38 (might not compete) Finke 14:46.06 Märtens 14:49.26 Jervis 14:51.49 McLoughlin 14:52.69 Norgaard 14:54.11 Acerenza 14:54.36 Wellbrock, Romanchuk, Paltrinieri (if he competes, otherwise Egorov), Finke, Jervis, Norgaard, Acerenza, Christiansen/McLoughlin 100 breast: Peaty 57.39 Kamminga 57.90 Andrew 58.14 Martinenghi 58.29 Shymanovich 58.46 Wilson 58.50 Wilby 58.58 Schwingenschlögl 58.95 Peaty, Kamminga, Andrew, Martinenghi, Wilson, Shymanovich, Wilby, Matzerath/Yan 200 breast: Stubblety-Cook 2:06.28 Sato 2:06.40 Chupkov 2:06.99 Kamminga 2:07.23 Fink 2:07.55 Mura 2:07.58 Persson 2:07.66 Wilby 2:08.06 Stubblety-Cook, Sato, Chupkov, Mura, Kamminga, Fink, 2 out of Wilby/A. Wilson/M. Wilson/Persson/Balandin 100 back: Rylov 52.12 Kolesnikov 52.13 Murphy 52.22 Xu 52.35 Armstrong 52.48 Christou 52.77 Tomac 52.86 Glinta 52.88 Rylov, Murphy, Xu, Armstrong, Kolesnikov, 3 out of Ndoye Brouard/Larkin/Irie/Ceccon 200 back: Rylov 1:53.23 Murphy 1:54.20 Larkin 1:54.38 (might not compete) Greenbank 1:54.43 Mefford 1:54.79 Irie 1:55.52 Ndoye Brouard 1:56.10 Telegdy 1:56.17 Sunama 1:56.22 Rylov, Murphy, Greenbank, Mefford, Irie, Ndoye Brouard, Mityukov, Xu/Sunama/Coetze 100 fly: Dressel 49.76 Milak 50.18 Temple 50.45 Metella 50.87 Miladinov 50.93 Guy 50.96 Kawamoto 51.00 Mizunuma 51.03 Dressel, Milak, Temple, Minakov, Guy, Miladinov, Metella, Le Clos/Ponti 200 fly: Milak 1:51.10 Burdisso 1:54.28 Kenderesi 1:54.37 Ivanov 1:54.50 Honda 1:54.59 Wang 1:54.77 Thomasberger 1:55.04 Harting 1:55.06 Milak, Burdisso, Kenderesi, Seto, Honda, Le Clos, Ivanov, Ponti/Marchand/Du Preez 200 IM: Andrew 1:55.26 Scott 1:55.90 Larkin 1:56.29 Gonzalez 1:56.31 Wang 1:56.78 Desplanches 1:56.95 Kalisz 1:56.97 Kos 1:56.99 Andrew, Scott, Larkin, Seto, Kalisz, Desplanches, 2 out of Gonzalez/Wang/Kos/Heintz/Hagino 400 IM: Seto 4:09.02 Kalisz 4:09.09 Verraszto 4:09.57 Marchand 4:09.65 Clareburt 4:09.87 Borodin 4:10.02 Smith 4:10.04 Litherland 4:10.33 Seto, Kalisz, Verraszto, Marchand, Borodin, Litherland, Clareburt, Razzetti/Litchfield/Papastamos/Desplanches 400 free relay: Russia 3:10.90 USA 3:11.47 Italy 3:12.62 Australia 3:12.91 GB 3:12.95 Hungary 3:13.62 Brazil 3:13.63 Canada 3:13.84 Russia, USA, Italy, Australia, GB, Brazil, 2 out of Hungary/France/Canada 800 free relay: GB 7:00.86 Australia 7:01.95 Russia 7:01.98 USA 7:03.09 Japan 7:07.58 Italy 7:07.80 China 7:07.82 Brazil 7:07.83 GB, Australia, Russia, USA, Japan, Italy, 2 out of Brazil/Hungary/China/Germany Medley relay: USA 3:27.74 GB 3:29.56 Russia 3:29.71 Italy 3:30.15 Australia 3:31.07 Japan 3:31.41 France 3:31.87 China 3:32.61 USA, GB, Russia, Italy, Australia, Japan, France, China/Germany/Hungary Women: 50 free: McKeon 23.93 C. Campbell 23.94 Kromowidjojo 23.97 Blume 24.06 Wasick 24.17 Kameneva 24.20 Sjöstrom 24.25 Heemskerk 24.28 McKeon, Kromowidjojo, Blume, Sjöstrom, C. Campbell, 3 out of Wasick/Kameneva/Heemskerk/Manuel/Weitzeil 100 free: McKeon 52.19 C. Campbell 52.59 Oleksiak 52.89 Haughey 52.92 Heemskerk 53.03 Kromowidjojo 53.13 Yang 53.21 Wattel 53.32 McKeon, C. Campbell, Oleksiak, Sjöstrom, Anderson, 3 out of Haughey/Weitzeil/Heemskerk/Kromowidjojo/Coleman 200 free: Titmus 1:53.09 Ledecky 1:54.40 Yang 1:54.57 McKeon 1:54.74 Haughey 1:54.89 McIntosh 1:56.19 Pellegrini 1:56.23 Seemanova 1:56.27 Titmus, Ledecky, McKeon, Haughey, Yang, McIntosh, Pellegrini, Oleksiak/Coleman/Anderson 400 free: Titmus 3:56.90 Ledecky 3:59.25 Li Bingjie 4:02.36 Cook/Egorova 4:04.10 Quadarella 4.04.66 (might not compete) Madden 4:04.86 McIntosh 4.05.13 Tang 4:05.15 Titmus, Ledecky, Li Bingjie, McIntosh, Madden, Gose, 2 out of Cook/Egorova/Tang/Kesely 800 free: Ledecky 8:13.64 Titmus 8:15.57 Melverton 8:19.05 Quadarella 8:20.23 Grimes 8:20.36 Wang 8:20.38 Kirpichnikova 8:21.86 Köhler 8:23.82 Ledecky, Titmus, Melverton, Grimes, Quadarella, Wang, Köhler, Kirpichnkkova/Egorova/Kesely 1500 free: Ledecky 15:40.55 Gough 15:46.13 Quadarella 15:48.81 Wang 15:49.07 Sullivan 15:51.18 Köhler 15:52.20 Melverton 15:57.14 Li Bingjie 15:58.35 Ledecky, Gough, Quadarella, Köhler, Wang, Sullivan, Kirpichnikova, Melverton/Li Bingjie/Kesely 100 breast: King 1:04.79 Jacoby 1:05.28 Hansson 1:05.69 Schoenmaker 1:05.74 Pilato 1:05.84 Carraro 1:05.86 Hodges 1:05.99 Tang 1:06.04 King, Jacoby, Hansson, Schoenmaker, Pilato, 3 out of Carraro/Jefimova/Eginova/Chikunova 200 breast: Schoenmaker 2:20.17 Renshaw 2:20.89 Lazor 2:21.07 Chikunova 2:21.63 Wood 2:21.69 King 2:21.75 Mamie 2:22.05 Temnikova 2:22.76 Schoenmaker, Renshaw, Lazor, King, Wood, Chikunova, Mamie, Watanabe/Wog 100 back: McKeown 57.45 Masse 57.70 Smith 57.92 Dawson 58.08 Seebohm 58.59 White 58.60 Touissant 58.65 Panziera 59.01 McKeown, Masse, White, Smith, Dawson, Seebohm, Touissant, Shkurdai/Kameneva/Wild 200 back: McKeown 2:04.28 Panziera 2:05.56 White 2:05.73 Seebohm 2:06.38 Bacon 2:06.46 Masse 2:06.67 Wild 2:07.74 Burian 2:07.87 McKeown, Panziera, White, Seebohm, Masse, Bacon, Wild, Burian/Dawson/Ruck 100 fly: Huske 55.66 Zhang 55.73 McKeon 55.93 MacNeil 56.14 Curzan 56.43 Hansson 56.73 Throssell 57.11 Sjöstrom 57.34 (might not compete) Wattel 57.37 Huske, Curzan, MacNeil, McKeon, Zhang, Hansson, Shkurdai, Sjöstrom (if she competes, otherwise Ikee/Wattel) 200 fly: Zhang 2:05.44 Flickinger 2:05.85 Kapas 2:06.50 Smith 2:06.99 Yu 2:07.03 Stephens 2:07.04 Throssell 2:07.20 Hasegawa 2:07.24 Zhang, Flickinger, Kapas, Smith, Yu, Stephens, Hasegawa, Hosszu/Thomas/Throssell 200 IM: McKeown 2:08.19 Walsh 2:08.87 Wood 2:09.23 Pickrem 2:09.24 Douglass 2:09.32 Teramura 2:09.55 Ohashi 2:09.59 Wilson 2:09.61 Yu 2:09.64 McKeown, Walsh, Douglass, Pickrem, Wood, Ohashi, Gorbenko, Hosszu/Yu/Wilson 400 IM: Weyant 4:33.81 Flickinger 4:33.96 Hosszu 4:34.76 Ohashi 4:35.14 Willmott 4:35.70 Yu 4:35.94 Mihalyvari-Farkas 4:36.81 Pickrem 4:37.03 Weyant, Flickinger, Hosszu, Ohashi, Willmott, Pickrem, Mihalyvari-Farkas, Yu/Wood/Franceschi 400 free relay: Australia 3:30.30 China 3:33.71 USA 3:34.21 Canada 4:34.92 GB 4:35.41 Netherlands 4:36.10 Japan 4:36.80 France 4:36.89 Australia, USA, Canada, China, GB, Netherlands, France, Japan/Russia/Denmark/Sweden 800 free relay: Australia 7:39.59 USA 7:44.79 China 7:46.26 Canada 7:48.48 Germany 7:50.07 Russia 7:53.75 Japan 7:55.25 Hungary 7:57.18 Australia, USA, China, Canada, Germany, Russia, Japan, Hungary/Italy Medley relay: Australia 3:51.80 USA 3:51.82 Canada 3:53.55 China 3:54.73 GB 3:55.48 Sweden 3:55.51 Italy 3:56.54 Russia 3:56.67 Australia, USA, Canada, China, GB, Sweden, Italy, Russia/Japan By nations: USA 50 Australia 37 GB 24 Russia 21 Italy 20 China 17 Japan 16 Hungary 13 Canada 12 Germany 10 Netherlands 9 France 8 Sweden 5 Austria/Brazil/Bulgaria/Denmark/Hong Kong/South Africa/Switzerland/Ukraine 2 Belarus/Czech Republic/Finland/Greece/New Zealand/Norway/Poland/Romania/South Korea/Spain/Tunisia 1

Nice list ... Why not Caracas, Aleppo, Detroit?

Are you trying to joke? Italy doesn’t come close to having the best depth. They barely have any world class players.

Personally I find it quite impressive. No matter how many of their top athletes get caught, the others just keep swallowing whatever they can find. I just wish the rest of the world would exclude the US from international competitions until they develop a working anti-Doping system.

For obvious reasons it doesn’t make sense to include American or Chinese cities. My list would be: Paris, London, Tokyo or Sydney Against Tokyo: They handled the 2020 Olympics very poorly Against Sydney: Australia is too small and too hot + Lightyears away from the rest of the world

Germany has the same problem: Kevin Kranz (men’s 100 m) David Storl (shot out) Thomas Röhler (javelin throw) Andreas Hoffmann (javelin throw) Fabian Heinle (long jump) Mateusz Przybylko (high jump) Raphael Holzdeppe (pole vault) Gina Lückenkemper (100 m) Alina Reh (5000 m, 10000 m) Konstanze Klosterhalfen (5000 m, 10000 m) Cindy Roleder (100 m hurdles) Pamela Dutkiewicz (100 m hurdles) Kristin Gierisch (triple jump) Annika Fuchs (javelin throw) Carolin Schäfer (heptathlon) Lucie Kinast (heptathlon) All of them will (probably) miss Tokyo. Others like Niklas Kaul or Christina Schwanitz also aren’t in top shape. I tried to predict which athletes will make the final in Tokyo in each discipline, but it is pretty much impossible since many top athletes haven’t done anything this year so far.

Seems like an overreaction. Overall the field isn’t very strong, so even 65 m might be enough for a medal.

Don’t quite understand why they would nominate Acevedo. Canada has to be at their best to qualify for the 400 free relay final, they can’t afford to rest anyone in prelims.

Ok. Quite interesting that neither China nor Japan are among the top 5 nations with the most athletes in the top 8.

Are you trying to troll me? In the comment I answered to it said „we‘re ruined“, which clearly means that the original poster saw it as very bad for Italy‘s chances. By listing all their other medal chances, I tried to put it into perspective and to show him that they are far from ruined. Obviously none of this matters for Paltrinieri personally, but that wasn’t the point of the discussion.

Yes, he probably would have been your most successful athlete, but how is Italy ruined when they could still easily win 6 medals (which would be a good result for a nation like Italy)? Paltrinieri not competing would also open up a medal spot in the 800 free (for Detti) and the 1500 free (for Acerenza). Also: Maybe he will recover in time?

So your federation basically nominated as many athletes as possible? Completely different strategy compared to some their countries like Japan, France, GB or Germany. Germany for example didn’t even nominate everyone with A standard.

He could be the oldest finalist (in the 50 free or 400 free relay).

Only change in those events after the Canadian trials: Pickrem moves into 8th spot in women’s 400 IM with 4:37.03 I will post the top 8 for all events (relays included) at the end of the week (in case anyone is interested).

1) He could still recover in time. 2) You have more than enough other medal chances: Miressi (100 free) Detti (400/800 free) De Tullio (400 free) Acerenza (1500 free, if Paltrinieri doesn’t compete) Martinenghi (100 breast) Burdisso (200 fly) Maybe men’s 400 free relay Maybe Razzetti (400 IM) Quadarella (800/1500 free) Pilato/Carraro (100 breast) Panziera (200 back)

Hopefully not. I don’t Even want to imagine how the matches would look like. Every non-german who watches the German matches (if their nation isn’t involved) has lost his mind. Compared to Germany even Spain looks good.

Portugal finishing third is not a good sign for all other teams ...

One of the most pathetic performances I have ever seen. You can’t blame Hungary, since they have no individual quality, but Germany playing like this with so much individual talent is a crime against humanity. Even England might be good enough to beat this team.

Disgusting by Germany, they should try to score another goal instead of wasting time.

Pathetic performance by Germany once again. With a win at home against Hungary they would have had a far easier opponent in the next round.