Southeast Asian Games 2023

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21 minutes ago, phelps said:

something like that happened also at the Italian U-23 Fencing Champs in the women's Epee.

an athlete was leading the final by a good margin with a few secs to go, but severely sprained her ankle.

after all the medical checks, she was clearly not in condition to continue, and her opponent could have easily turned the score around in the remaining time.

but she decided to kill the clock and leave her rival win a deserved title.

that sportsmanship act got a lot of attention in our media, more than our top guys winning medals all around the world.

The thing is, no one is going to do that here  Especially in silat when the scores are close and then someone got penalized (-5 or -10 points), usually the penalized guy will be more vicious as if he’s going to kill you right here right now

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19 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Have the SEA Games even taken place if multiple scandals haven’t rocked the competition? 
 

The scandals part of the SEA Games Wikipedia pages always make for a good read. Hopefully, some of the upcoming rumored sports program limitations help alleviate a few of the scandals. I think it’s cool how much all of these countries get into an event like this though.

Hahaha you’re right. I think as year passes by the controversies are trying to be bigger than the previous editions

 

For me, this “Meng-gate” is on a different scale. Suddenly naturalized athlete with name change is not a rare thing, but this is somewhat like an identity fraud.

 

To make it even more suspicious, Badminton Asia seemed to try “censor” the player in question on their updates and videos from some spectators showed that she is quickly escorted out from the venue when everyone was celebrating the badminton gold (even the stream suddenly ended without explanation)

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3 hours ago, Griff88 said:

As people investigated who is the Cambodian badminton hero Chourng Meng,  apparently she is former Chinese athlete Zhou Meng who announced her early retirement from the international circuit due to long lasting injuries. Usually when an athlete changed his/her country, the BWF ID will be the same but not the case with Ms. Meng. Many accused this is a BWF rule violation.

Not suprised, the name sounded odd as if it was tailor made to hide identity. She looked like HBJ and played really well. Despite her good skills she was not allowed to be part of all events only mixed team which is odd. If she was genuine she should have been in women's team too. 

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Cambodia winning bronze in weightlifting despite trailing 100 kg behind the silver medalist, thanks to 2 stronger competitors from Vietnam and Thailand who bombed out

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The Games ended with good ol’ football where the most populated participant finally winning the gold after 32 years 

 

Closing ceremony is tomorrow

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4 hours ago, Griff88 said:

The Games ended with good ol’ football where the most populated participant finally winning the gold after 32 years 

 

Closing ceremony is tomorrow

Did any events had only 1 entrant?

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4 hours ago, Fly_like_a_don said:

Did any events had only 1 entrant?

As far as I know, nope. The least I saw was 3 athletes in a few events

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10 hours ago, Griff88 said:

The Games ended with good ol’ football where the most populated participant finally winning the gold after 32 years 

 

Closing ceremony is tomorrow

88 medals is solid. Wish they could have been more evenly dispersed, but always proud of .

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59 minutes ago, owenp_23 said:

88 medals is solid. Wish they could have been more evenly dispersed, but always proud of .

I think this is the most medal for since 2009, but in term of gold 2011 & 2013 are still better

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To give a better perspective of these games, I compiled the medal tally of this Southeast Asian Games in Olympic Events. About 196 out of 327 events that will be competed in Paris 2024 was hosted in Cambodia. This accounts only to 59 percent of the events held in 2024 being featured here in the sea games. One thing of note is that I took the liberty of counting the taekwondo events of the Men's +87 kg and the Women's +73 kg as an Olympic event of the equivalent of the Men's +80 kg and the Women's +67 kg. The logic here is that athletes who competed in the +87 kg and the +73 kg are eligible, weight wise to compete in the +80 kg and the +67 kg respectively. In the contrary, I didn't count weightlifting events of men's +89 kg and women's +71 kg to be the equivalent of the Olympic events of men's +102 kg and women's +81 kg under the logic that those who compete in the +89 kg and the +71 kg are not automatically guarantee by body weight to compete in the +102 kg and +81 kg events. Case in point, Kristel Machoron of the Philippines, who competed in the +71 kg does not have the weight to compete in the +81 kg event. So, here's the tally of the Olympic Events count:

 

1. Vietnam 48-40-35

2. Thailand 37-46-37

3. Singapore 37-23-36

4. Indonesia 27-23-36

5. Philippines 20-34-34

6. Malaysia 16-12-35

7. Cambodia 11-12-16

8. Myanmar 1-2-10

9. Laos 0-2-7

10. Timor-Leste 0-0-3

11. Brunei 0-0-0

 

And here's the tally for certain sports in Olympic events:

 

Athletics: 1. Thailand 16-8-5 2. Vietnam 12-20-8 3. Indonesia 7-3-9 4. Malaysia 5-3-11 5. Philippines 4-10-8 6. Singapore 3-2-5 7. Cambodia 1-0-0 8. Myanmar 0-0-2

 

Badminton: 1. Indonesia 4-2-3 2. Thailand 1-2-2 3. Malaysia 0-1-4 4. Singapore 0-0-1

 

Boxing: 1. Thailand 5-1-1 2. Philippines 2-3-1 3. Cambodia 1-2-3 4. Vietnam 1-1-1 5. Indonesia 0-2-3 6. Myanmar 0-0-4 7. Laos 0-0-1 7. Malaysia 0-0-1 7. Singapore 0-0-1 7. Timor-Leste 0-0-1 

 

Fencing: 1. Singapore 7-3-6 2. Vietnam 4-3-3 3. Thailand 1-1-3 4. Philippines 0-5-5 5. Malaysia 0-0-4 6. Cambodia 0-0-2 7. Indonesia 0-0-1

 

Gymnastics (Only Men's Artistic events were hosted): 1. Vietnam 4-2-2 2. Philippines 4-2-0 3. Thailand 0-2-0 4. Indonesia 0-1-1 5. Singapore 0-1-0 6. Malaysia 0-0-5

 

Swimming: 1. Singapore 21-11-9 2. Vietnam 7-3-7 3. Thailand 2-10-7 4. Philippines 2-5-5 5. Malaysia 1-3-3 6. Indonesia 0-1-2 

 

Weightlifting: 1. Philippines 2-2-1 2. Indonesia 2-1-2 3. Thailand 1-3-1 4. Vietnam 1-0-2 

 

Wrestling: : 1. Vietnam 8-4-1 2. Indonesia 4-4-1 3. Cambodia 4-3-5 4. Philippines 1-2-3 5. Singapore 1-1-5 6. Thailand 0-4-3 7. Laos 0-0-5

 

Only 20 out of 32 Olympic sports were hosted at Cambodia, so this tally doesn't necessary show the full strengths and weaknesses of each country's performance nor indicative of how each country will preform in next year's Olympics. However, we can summarize that Vietnam has more depth in their expertise of most of the Olympic sports than any other country in the region, especially in the combat sports variety. Singapore is also impressive in its performance this time around, almost finishing second in the Olympic event tally. Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines and Malaysia can be consider somewhat disappointing with not showing much improvement from last year's edition. 

 

Regarding the prospects of the SEA countries in Paris 2024, I believe that Indonesia will be the top country in the region at next year's Olympics. Indonesia is certain to win gold in Men's speed climbing and has a good chance to win in men's weightlifting and men's doubles in badminton. Indonesia can easily win about 3 gold medals and a total of 4-8 medals. Vietnam, which has been the top country in Olympic sport events for the past few editions will find it hard to win even a medal at Paris as most of its top events competes directly with China, Japan and South Korea. Their best hope is in women's boxing. Philippines will rely hardly on Carlos Yulo to win a gold medal/medals as its boxing and weightlifting programs are not guarantee to win gold or any kind of medals at Paris. Singapore could win gold in Men's Kitesurfing but don't have a Joseph Schooling or a world class table tennis team to bail them out this time around. Malaysia's hopes of any kind of medal is likely going to rest on badminton as its top stars in track cycling and diving are aging. Thailand, which has been the perennial powerhouse in the region from the late 1990's until the early 2010's, may be able to win a gold medal, but do not have the depth of world class/Asian level athletes it used to have some years ago. Considering that the country receives governmental support more so than private funding, its hopes may lie on whether the progressive coalition that won the recent general elections will be able to led the government and enact changes that can being positivity for its sports development. If the same old people, like the current Thai Olympic Committee president stays in power, expect Thailand to continue its gradual slide. 

 

The one good thing that we can take out of this is at least for the next three editions, there will be a limit of the amount of non-Olympic/Asian Games sports hosted to only 4 sports with no more than a total of 32 events hosted. https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/sea-games-sports-programme-to-be-standardised-from-2025-to-2029