De_Gambassi

I think preserving the integrity and identity of the Winter Olympics is important. Besides, I don't see how expanding the Winter Games will help with the allready very critical lack of bidding cities, If moving around some summer sports is an option, I'd very much favor the introduction of a third season; the Fall Indoor Games or something. We would have 16 months between each Olympics then (Summer -> Winter -> Fall).

Of course, they were. Curling, for exemple, would never have been considered if it was a summer sport. The gap in depth between summer and winter sports is monstruous. That's hardly up for debate. I think everyone is aware of that. It doesn't make them more ridiculous than some other summer sports though, just smaller sports (and thus alien to more people)

You probably have no idea how alien curling looks to anyone not born in Canada

Fair enough.

Yes, besides World Rugby is more than happy with Sevens at the Olympics. It's a great point of entry for the sport and a great communication tool..

Quotas (I still think it's coming, but it might be challenging for that reason alone)

Not possible. And no one wants it (World Rugby, Unions or clubs)

@Quasit It would be nice, if you could update the first post with a direct link to each user program post. Same with the other thread. Just a thought.

Same here. Never forget: a forum is only worth its content.

First: Then, Guidelines: - "deserving" is what should warrant an inclusion or not. - What determines if a sport/event "deserve" a place or not should be based primarily on its importance worldwide (ie: the number of people and countries that take part in competitions). - As much as possible, the number of events of each sport should correlate with its importance - Because "we can" should not be a reason enough to include an event - Different disciplines = different sports and to be judged accordingly - That a swimmer, by himself, can be ranked top 10 in the the overal medals table is a ludicrous concept - Swimming is a second tier sport, in the same category than Gymnastics or Cycling (athletics is really the only king here) and should have a relative similar number of events. - I'm ok with some random team events and mixed relays as long as they are limited to minor sports. I also aprreciate than more athletes have at least a second chance to shine. - "Gender Equity" and the Summer Olympics is a tragedy as it prevents many more competetive sports/events/athletes to be included (including some women's ones by the way) - I'll probably revist this post about two hundred times before Tokyo 2020 kicks in (edit: two times allready...). And finally: Diving [8 -> 8] 3m springboard (m/w) 10m Platform (m/w) Synchronised 3m Springboard (m/w) Synchronised 10m Platform (m/w) High Diving (m/w) Swimming [37 -> 26] 50m Freestyle (m/w) 100m Freestyle (m/w) 200m Freestyle (m/w) 400m Freestyle (m/w) 800m Freestyle (m/w) 1500m Freestyle (m/w) (-> move it to open water) 4x100m Freestyle Relay (m/w) 4x200m Freestyle Relay (m/w) 100m Breaststroke (m/w) 200m Breaststroke (m/w) 100m Butterfly (m/w) 200m Butterfly (m/w) 100m Backstroke (m/w) 200m Backstroke (m/w) 200m Individual Medley (m/w) 400m Individual Medley (m/w) 4x100m Medley Relay (m/w/mixed) 3km Open Water (m/w) 10km Open Water (m/w) Synchronised Swimming [2 -> 1] Women's Duet (w) Women's Team (w Note: 27 events for swimming, same ballpark than Gymnastics and Cycling (24 events each). Fair enough to me Water Polo [2 -> 1] Tournament (m/w) Note: Men's water polo allready barrely deserves its spot... women's water polo is a miniscule sport worldwide that if we were living in a society where common sense prevails would not been considered. Archery [5 -> 6] Individual Recurve (m/w) Team Recurve (m/w/mixed) Individual Compound (m/w) Team Compound (mixed) Athletics [48 -> 48] 100m (m/w) 200m (m/w) 400m (m/w) 800m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 5000m (m/w) 10,000m (m/w) 110m/100m Hurdles (m/w) 400m Hurdles (m/w) 3000m Steeplechase (m/w) 4x100m Relay (m/w) 4x400m Relay (m/w/mixed) Marathon (m/w) 20km Race Walk (m/w) 50km Race Walk (m) Long Jump (m/w) Triple Jump (m/w) High Jump (m/w) Pole Vault (m/w) Shot Put (m/w) Discus Throw (m/w) Javelin Throw (m/w) Hammer Throw (m/w) Heptathlon (w) Decathlon (m) Cross Country (m/w) Badminton [5 -> 5] Singles (m/w) Doubles (m/w/mixed) Baseball [1 -> 1] Tournament (m) Basketball [4 -> 4] 3x3 Tournament (m/w) Tournament (m/w) Boxing [13 -> 14] 8 9 Men's weights 5 Women's weights Note: Boxing at the Olympics is fine, just drop AIBA. Canoeing - Slalom [4 -> 5] K-1 (m/w) C-1 (m/w) C-2 (m) Team event (mixed) Note: Something like the luge team event ? Canoeing - Sprint [12 -> 11] K-1 200m (m/w) K-1 500m (w) K-1 1000m (m) K-2 500m (w) K-2 1000m (m) K-4 500m (m/w) C-1 200m (w) C-1 1000m (m) C-2 500m (w) C-2 1000m (m) C-1 200m (m) Cycling - BMX [4 -> 3] BMX Race (m/w) Park (m/w) BMX Race Team (mixed) Cycling - Mountain Bike [2 -> 4] Men's/Women's Race (m/w) Downhill (m/w) Note: Or Eliminator ? Cycling - Road [4] Road Race (m/w) Time Trial (m/w) Note; I'd very much considering dropping the men's races all together, if anything, just for quotas sake. Cycling - Track [12 -> 13] Individual Sprint (m/w) Team Sprint (m/w) Team Pursuit (m/w) Keirin (m/w) Omnium (m/w) Madison (m/w) Individual Pursuit (m/w) Elimination Race (m) Equestrian [6] Individual Dressage (mixed) Team Dressage (mixed) Individual Jumping (mixed) Team Jumping (mixed) Individual Eventing (mixed) Team Eventing (mixed) Fencing [12] Individual Foil (m/w) Team Foil (m/w) Individual Épée (m/w) Team Épée (m/w) Individual Sabre (m/w) Team Sabre (m/w) Field Hockey [2] Tournament (m/w) Football [2 -> 3] U-23 Tournament (m) Tournament (w) Beach Soccer Tournament (m) Futsal Tournament (m) Note: The men's U-23 thing is making a mockery of the Olympics. Besides, it takes too much attention in some countries. I'm positive Rio 2016 would have been much better if it was not for this tournament. It saves quite a lot of quotas also.. Golf [2] Individual Stroke Play (m/w) Team Event (mixed) Gymnastics - Artistic [14 -> 16] Individual All-Around (m/w) Team All-Around (m/w) Floor (m/w) Vault (m/w) Pommel Horse (m) Rings (m) Parallel Bars (m) Horizontal Bar (m) Balance Beam (w) Uneven Bars (w) Apparatus 1 (w) Apparatus 2 (w) Note: It's crazy to me that one of the very few sports where women are the majority actually has more male events.... If there is one place where "gender equity" should be enforced it's in gymnastics. So bring new apparatus or convert male ones to women, I don't care, just bring new women events. Gymnastics - Rhythmic [2 -> 2] Individual All-Around (w) Group All-Around (w) Gymnastics - Trampoline [2 -> 4] Individual (m/w) Trumbling (m/w) Handball [2 -> 4] Tournament (m/w) Beach Tournament (m/w) Note: Not my cup of tea, but I'm positive it will happen by 2024. Judo [15 -> 15] 7 Men's weights 7 women's weights Team Event (mixed) Karate [8 -> 12] 3 5 Men's Kumite weights 3 5 Women's Kumite weights Individual Kata (m/w) Modern Pentathlon [2 -> 3] Individual (m/w) Relay (mixed) Rowing [14 -> 14] Single Sculls (m/w) Double Sculls (m/w) Lightweight Double Sculls (m/w) Quadruple Sculls (m/w) Pairs (m/w) Fours (m/w) Eights (m/w) Lightweight Quadruple Sculls (m) Note; I'd drop the women's height for lack of competition and quotas sake. Rugby Sevens [2] Tournament (m/w) Sailing [10 -> 12] RS:X (m/w) Laser (m) Laser Radial (w) Finn (m) 470 (m/w) 49er (m) 49er FX (w) Nacra 17 (mixed) Kite Surf (m/w) Shooting [15 -> 10] 10m Air Rifle (m/w) (mixed) Mixed Team 10m Air Rifle (mixed) 50m Rifle Prone (mixed) 50m Rifle Three Positions (m/w) (mixed) 10m Air Pistol (m/w) (mixed) Mixed Team 10m Air Pistol (mixed) 25m Pistol (w) 25m Rapid Fire Pistol (m) (mixed) 50m Pistol (mixed) Trap (m/w) (mixed) Mixed Team Trap (mixed) Skeet (m/w) (mixed) Mixed Dpuble Trap Team event (mixed) Note: I don't see any reason to have separate men and women competition here. Women used to compete with men, they should do it again. Skateboarding [4 -> 0] Park (m/w) Street (m/w) Note: as a competitive sport, Skateboarding is a very marginal sport. Softball [1 -> 0] Tournament (w) Sport Climbing [2 -> 6] Combined (m/w) Lead (m/w) Boulder (m/w) Speed (m/w) Surfing [2 -> 2] Shortboard (m/w) Table Tennis [5 -> 5] Singles (m/w) Doubles (mixed) (m/w) Team (m/w) (mixed) Taekwondo [8 -> 0] 4 Men's weights 4 Women's weights Note: Despite 30 years of olympism, Karate is probably still the biggest sport of the two, so yeah, goodbye. Tennis [5 -> 5] Singles (m/w) Doubles (m/w/mixed) Team (mixed) Something like the Hopman Cup to be played during the second week ? Triathlon [3 -> 3] Individual Race (m/w) Mixed Team Relay (mixed) Volleyball - Beach [2 -> 2] Tournament (m/w) Volleyball - Indoor [2 -> 2] Tournament (m/w) Weightlifting [14 -> 11] 7 Men's weights 7 4 Women's weights Note: Many times, a female medallist in the n-1 weight categorie would also have won a medal in the n category. Such a competitive sport. Obv, there is also the option to drop it all together. Wrestling [18 -> 16] 6 Men's Freestyle weights 6 Men's Greco-Roman weights 6 4 Women's Freestyle weights Note: WW, there is probably not one female wrestler for every ten male wrestlers.... And 16 event is way more than fair for what the sport is. Squash [0 -> 3] Single (m/w) Team (mixed Total medal events: 330 in 33 sports Total athletes: 10,738 Days of competition: 19 (including Day -2, Day -1 and Day 0 before the Opening Ceremony) To be considered also: Speed roller skating, Roller Hockey, Floorball, Netball etc. EDIT: I II

Guidelines: - The biggest sports must prevail - Because "we can" should not be a reason enough to include an event - "Gender Equity" is okish for the Winter Olympics as it doesn't really prevent more competive sports/event to be included. Alpine Skiing [11 -> 13] Slalom (m/w) Giant Slalom (m/w) Super-G (m/w) Downhill (m/w) Combined (m/w) Parralel Slalom (m/w) Team Event (mixed) Biathlon [11 -> 11] Sprint (m/w) Pursuit (m/w) Individual (m/w) Mass Start (m/w) Team Relay (m/w/mixed) Bobsleigh [3 -> 3] Two-man/woman (m/w) Four-man (m) Cross-Country Skiing [12 -> 14] 15/10km Freestyle (m/w) 30/15km Skiathlon (m/w) 50/30km Classical (m/w) 4x10/5km Relay (m/w) Individual Sprint (m/w) Team Sprint (m/w) Cross (m/w) Curling [3 -> 2] Tournament (m/w) Mixed Doubles (mixed) Figure Skating [5 -> 5] Singles (m/w) Pairs (mixed) Ice Dancing (mixed) Team Event (mixed) Freestyle Skiing [10 -> 7] Aerials (m/w) Moguls (m/w) Halfpipe (m/w) (-> Snowboarding) Slopestyle (m/w) (-> Snowboarding) Ski Cross (m/w) Ski Cross Team (mixed) Note; I'd consider Dual Mogul if it was offering something different from mogul (perhaps something based on speed only ?) Ice Hockey [2] Tournament (m/w) Luge [4 -> 3] Singles (m/w) Doubles (m) Team Relay (mixed) Nordic Combined [3 -> 4] Individual Normal Hill/10km (m/w) (no rush though) Individual Large Hill/10km (m) Team Large Hill/4x5km Relay (m) Short Track Speed Skating [8 -> 8] 500m (m/w) 1000m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 5000m/3000m Relay (m/w) Madisson (m/w) Skeleton [2] Singles (m/w) Ski Jumping [4] Normal Hill (m/w) Large Hill (m) Large Hill Team (m) Team event (Somehow...) Snowboarding [10 -> 13] Halfpipe (m/w) Slopestyle (m/w) Big Air (m/w) Parallel Giant Slalom (m/w) Snowboard Cross (m/w) Giant Slalom (like in not Parralel Giant slalom) (m/w) Parralel Slalom (m/w) Snowboard Cross Team (mixed) Speed Skating [14] 500m (m/w) 1000m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 3000m (w) 5000m (m/w) 10,000m (m) Mass Start (m/w) Team Pursuit (m/w) Point's Race (yeah, why not) Ski Mountaineering [0 -> 3] Sprint (m/w) Relay (mixed) Bandy [0 -> 1] (optional, if money or infrastructure is not a problem) Tournament (m) Total medel events: 109 in 17 sports Total athletes: --- Days of competition: 18 (including Day -1 and Day 0 before the Opening Ceremony) To be considered also: Ice Cross, Ice Climbing and Telemark.

Yeah, from a french perspective, that's a no brainer. Out of nowhere golds are best golds.

Besides, some thematic thread (say infrastucture* or history*) might not get a weekly or even monthly bump right now. But it won't mean they are 'dead', some users (even new users !) might read it from time to time and bump it when they have something new to add. In most places, users are smart enough to see what it is thread worthy and what it's not. In the rare occasions when it's not the case (too redundant, not enough important...), mods close or merge the thread and that's it.That's not a big deal. * Please Sindo, we don't need an "official 2018 - insert sport - infrastructure thread" in every single section, that's not what I meant. Edit; I will aslo add that we need a general sport section for discussions that are not directly linked to a sport or the olympics. For exemple, the recent european comission decision on ISU which could have huge repercussions all across the board.

Will you consider it at the very least ?

People usually, don't do that. It's going to be fine, specially with your new mod So.. is it the annoucement of a new policy ?

No, it won't be, not with mods at least. You set up the general guidelines, empower a bunch of mods to enforce them and that's it. Again, that's how any succesfull forum works And it's not anarchy. If you're into video games, juste have a look at resetera (or neogaf in the past). Having more separate threads for more competitions is harldly going to make a difference. Just more live short reactions that are not going to make any new user to invest time in this forum (If anything, Twitter is much more suited for that). That's the in between the sport competitions, your forum could shine. That's the in between that made the gamesbids forum a great place for discussion some years ago (albeit with a very limited scope). There is no other place on the internet where we could have discussion about the future of single distance in speed skating, or the possible disappearance of athletic tracks for instance. Yet, your policy is making sure that we're never going to have these discussions. I'm kind of a stadia enthusiast (I used to run a website+forum on this subject). Say someone is posting something about an athletic stadium in the "2018 athletics official discussion" thread (whatever the name...), I may react to it, write a couple of thoughts on it, but hen it's next page, next subject, and the discussion (ot the possibility to have one) is over. Are you not even curious to see what your forum could become if you just let it be that (a forum) ? Even, if you're not certain of the outcome, you could open a few sections for a year just to see how things are shaping up. A sort of trial if you want.

I've allready told you. Let it go. No official thread, no template, no nothing. Just a bunch of mods that make sure everything stays in place (more or less). There is not a single exemple of a sucesfull forum anywhere on the internet that works the way you intend to. They let people having their own discussion the way they chose, they don't intend to have every discussions to stick in preconceived spaces. Fundementaly, they let the users to make the forum their own. Your way doesn't work, it never will. You could strike gold with this forum, but as long as you stick with this backward policy, it will never reach its potential. Every time, I'm loggin, I'm saddened that basically nothing is going on. You've put up a great tool. Now let people use it, they might surpise you.

Sindo, why are you doing this ? It doesn't work, it never will . That's not how message boards work....

They were rather close to enter the Olympics during the 70's and 80's. They might have a shot for 2024 also

Do we know the categories ?

Pelota is Basque Pelota is back !

J'avais checké le twitter de l'autre enculé (ouais, y'a pas d'autre mots), même pas foutu de se fendre d'un tweet pour féliciter la médaille d'argent Alexis deux mois après son ablation de la Thyroïde. Ce mec est une ordure qui symbolise tout ce qui ne vas pas dans le sport français. Si un système permet de faire monter de tels types (et de les maintenir), il faut changer le système.

Pour rappel 2014: https://video-streaming.orange.fr/sports-extreme/jo-sotchi-fernandez-la-federation-a-oublie-de-m-inscrire-16-02-VID0000001Gjer.html?pid=SIl2WFC2AZWzJ7qSByljitF90Oyhq/uTlP9RR4oa2UJAUjZPP6wsdYWH95P3DwrN4xvhTMNyrgA=#plmAnchor https://video.lequipe.fr/video/patinage-de-vitesse/patinage-de-vitesse-jo-contin-je-suis-en-colere/x2ek0n6 https://video.lequipe.fr/video/patinage-de-vitesse/patinage-de-vitesse-jo-contin-gailhaguet-a-menti/x2el2jz Contin qui pensait/espérait que ça allait changer pour 2018...