avlar 171 Posted August 23, 2023 #11 Share Posted August 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, MHSN said: this is not new. that rule always existed (even in non-Olympic years you have to participate in continental champs to be eligible for the worlds) but UWW president had the power to bend it and he did it before. for example last year for Artur Aleksanyan. Don't count too much on this "rule" and there are RUS/BLR wrestlers on the start list already. UWW will certainly let them participate unless IOC intervenes and says something about it. not impossible but a bit unlikely IMO Yes, but "Olympic year" makes the difference. Qualififcation procedures were officially approved by the IOC https://uww.org/article/ioc-confirms-wrestlings-qualification-process?page=16 Thus UWW is not able to change the rules without the approval from the IOC. What is more, if UWW allows russians to participate under current IOC rules any athlete who will lost his/her Olympic quota to russian will be able to file the case to CAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,969 Posted August 24, 2023 #12 Share Posted August 24, 2023 On 8/23/2023 at 11:34 AM, MHSN said: are clubs like CSKA and Dynamo even active in wrestling ? never heard of it Russia didn't publish anything about their Greco squad. but I followed the process of their freestyle trials. can't wait to see the entry list for freestyle. I wonder if this is the same team (those who won their trials) or they have to make changes yes, I can tell you that CSKA is surely active in Olympic Wrestling, I have no idea about Dynamo (but I think they also are there) I'm also pretty sure that all the athletes from the traditional regions who are serving the mandatory military service, during those 18 months (or is it 2 years now? ) have to temporarily switch to those military clubs to continue their wrestling activity in that span (otherwise they would be enrolled in the regular troops, with all that means) Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHSN 3,278 Posted August 25, 2023 #13 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Freestyle entries https://uww.org/article/freestyle-entries-released-2023-world-championships and again no Russia how come they were registered in Greco (with a weird team) but not in men's and women's freestyle ? my guess ? their top guys got rejected by UWW and therefore they decided to boycott the event or something like that. (or maybe the list is just not complete and they will be added later ) Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roamingrover86 489 Posted August 25, 2023 #14 Share Posted August 25, 2023 WFI is currently serving suspension due to not holding election on time. Our wrestlers will be allowed to participate under UWW flag but will they be eligible for olympic quotas ? As the quotas are assigned to NOC and not to players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avlar 171 Posted August 25, 2023 #15 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I assume - yes. Mexico nad similar situation in diving in the past. And they got quotas. Roamingrover86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,532 Posted August 25, 2023 #16 Share Posted August 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Roamingrover86 said: WFI is currently serving suspension due to not holding election on time. Our wrestlers will be allowed to participate under UWW flag but will they be eligible for olympic quotas ? As the quotas are assigned to NOC and not to players. I’m not sure about the rules in situations like this, but I imagine India will be fine given that your NOC remains unsuspended. Roamingrover86 1 “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHSN 3,278 Posted August 31, 2023 #17 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) from what I found out, Russia registered its wrestlers in freestyle too. they are not on the list because UWW still has to check them one by one for those "neutrality" criteria. this is the list Russia wants to send, I mean those who won their freestyle trials. not sure if UWW accepts all 10 of them. 57 Zavur Uguev 61 Abasgadzhi Magomedov 65 Shamil Mamedov 70 Evgeny Zherbaev 74 Zaurbek Sidakov 79 Akhmed Usmanov 86 Arslan Bagaev 92 Vladislav Valiev 97 Abdulrashid Sadulaev 125 Abdulla Kurbanov Edited August 31, 2023 by MHSN Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rybak 2,735 Posted August 31, 2023 #18 Share Posted August 31, 2023 47 minutes ago, MHSN said: from what I found out, Russia registered its wrestlers in freestyle too. they are not on the list because UWW still has to check them one by one for those "neutrality" criteria. this is the list Russia wants to send, I mean those who won their freestyle trials. not sure if UWW accepts all 10 of them. 57 Zavur Uguev 61 Abasgadzhi Magomedov 65 Shamil Mamedov 70 Evgeny Zherbaev 74 Zaurbek Sidakov 79 Akhmed Usmanov 86 Arslan Bagaev 92 Vladislav Valiev 97 Abdulrashid Sadulaev 125 Abdulla Kurbanov These championships (alongside with rowing WCH) will be first direct qualification event where Russian and Belarusian athletes will be able to compete and qualify. Since IOC didn't invited those two countries and still their situation isn't sure, then the athletes can qualify to Paris, right? If, in later date, decision will be made and if IOC will not let them to compete then how their quotas can be reallocated? Do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHSN 3,278 Posted August 31, 2023 #19 Share Posted August 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, rybak said: These championships (alongside with rowing WCH) will be first direct qualification event where Russian and Belarusian athletes will be able to compete and qualify. Since IOC didn't invited those two countries and still their situation isn't sure, then the athletes can qualify to Paris, right? If, in later date, decision will be made and if IOC will not let them to compete then how their quotas can be reallocated? Do you know? most probably to the next wrestler in the standing, the loser of 5th place match. (this time only 5 quotas are available at the WCh for each weight, not 6) and if two AIN wrestlers finish in top 5 (both RUS and BLR) I assume the quota goes to the 7th place guy who will be determined by the classification points (which is based on pure luck) Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHSN 3,278 Posted September 6, 2023 #20 Share Posted September 6, 2023 UWW keeps updating the links I posted earlier about the entries , if you check you can see some changes. they removed Olympic Champion Gable Steveson two days ago , it first it looked like a mistake but now it's confirmed that he withdrew from the competition. no reason announced yet. maybe the fake wrestling organization didn't want him to lose in a real wrestling competition. still no sign of Russian wrestlers in freestyle list but I heard from several sources that they are coming, apparently still negotiating with UWW about certain wrestlers to be allowed. and the competition starts in 10 days Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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