Winter Olympic Games 2030 Bid Process

[De_Gambassi 1,198]

14 minutes ago, dodge said:

This is my point about gatekeeping. The vast, vast, vast majority of the world doesn’t have ice or snow for winter. So while you think it’s a “fundamental principle”, it was only applicable to the 16 countries at the first games and their neighbours. 
 

So instead of opening up new sports to get them included in the games, you and others want to keep them out. 
 

That’s fine. That’s your choice. I’d prefer if others were included. And again, I don’t feel strongly on it (as in I’m not going to fall out with anybody over it) but I’d include cross country running and cyclo cross. 

The “fundamental principle” is not only a principle on paper it's what make the winter games fundamentally distinctive and what it makes that the event works.

 

If you cut it, you'll end up with a selection of random sports that are simply not good enough for the summer olympics. In other words, it's called the World Games. Everyone is included, but no one care.

 

 

[dodge 1,014]

41 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

The “fundamental principle” is not only a principle on paper it's what make the winter games fundamentally distinctive and what it makes that the event works.

 

If you cut it, you'll end up with a selection of random sports that are simply not good enough for the summer olympics. In other words, it's called the World Games. Everyone is included, but no one care.

 

 

Most people don’t care anyway. The Winter Olympics isn’t even shown in 3/4 of the world 

[De_Gambassi 1,198]

4 minutes ago, dodge said:

Most people don’t care anyway. The Winter Olympics isn’t even shown in 3/4 of the world 

You seem to care that some people actually care...

[Josh 9,948]

15 hours ago, heywoodu said:

To be fair, cross-country running also isn't a summer sport. Like cyclo-cross, it's basically a season-independent sport, almost by definition it can be done in any and all conditions.

 

I don't think I'd go for it in the end, like @De_Gambassi said, it'd open up the way for lots and lots more and not sure that'd be a great idea.

It is to me. Look I get that it can be held with all different types of weather, but c’mon. Winter Olympics should have ice and snow sports only. 

[Josh 9,948]

8 hours ago, dodge said:

Agreed. Winter sports can include sports played at winter like cross country and cyclocross

Um, no they can’t. 
 

With that argument, you could make a case for the majority of summer Olympic sports to be at the winter Olympics. 

[intoronto 5,495]

9 hours ago, NearPup said:

Wasn't the steeplechase added because it mimicked cross-country?

[heywoodu 14,781]

2 hours ago, Josh said:

It is to me. Look I get that it can be held with all different types of weather, but c’mon. Winter Olympics should have ice and snow sports only. 

Yeah, but I agree with that (basically)  

 

I was just saying some sports simply aren't 'summer sports' or 'winter sports', the time of year in which they happen to be held due to scheduling don't necessarily make them so.

[Federer91 2,713]

9 hours ago, dodge said:

Most people don’t care anyway. The Winter Olympics isn’t even shown in 3/4 of the world 

Wrong (again). Estimated viewership for Beijing 2022 was 2 billion, while for Tokyo it was 3 billion, which isn't a considerable difference for "only 30 countries care for the Winter Olympics." Add the February slot when everyone is at work and all the football leagues are in full force, compared to July/August vacations and the numbers are even more impressive for an event, which allegedly few people care about.

[dodge 1,014]

OK this is getting weird but do you honestly believe those figures? Do you actually believe that the Winter Olympics is popular in countries that don’t have snow at winter? (At the same time as the IOC claims they need to include the likes of breakdancing to make the summer games more appealing)

 

If you do, then fair enough 

Edited 7 hours ago by dodge

[NearPup 2,987]

11 hours ago, intoronto said:

Wasn't the steeplechase added because it mimicked cross-country?

I believe so, yes. My reaction is because the steeplechase is my favourite event in the summer Olympics (and IMO more fun to watch than XC) :P