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How exactly is that good news? Out of the top athletes only Watabe has a shot at winning a medal. There are basically only 3 or 4 competitive nations in this sport, so i wouldn't call it news anyway. Frenzel won't fight for gold, the wind will kill him. Gold for Watabe or Klapfer, maybe Rydzek can make the miracle come true and fight for bronze. I hoped that Rydzek would take the deserving gold, but that won't happen, so i hope Watabe wins. If Klapfer wins today this sport is dead.

We should thank god that there are indoor events, otherwise the olympics would probably last 2 months. My dream is to see olympics in central/northern europe at least one more time in my lifetime. Winter olympics in Oslo, Davos or Munich would be a dream come true.

Another event destroyed by the wind. Austria absolutely doesn't deserve a medal here.

Yeah let's just postpone everything to the last day ... How many medal events will there be tomorrow? 30 ... ?

What the hell is going on with Austria? Please god, don't let them fluke another (gold) medal.

Now that dcro seems to be asleep, i have to replace him: Live bet, will Rehrl win a medal? [YES/NO]

I think most people are asleep or maybe just annoyed that the slalom got postponed as well. People in Korea seem to like it though, i am surprised that so many spectators turnt up.

I think it's very clever. With the way everyone has shot this week, it is very possible that none of the top athletes will finish without a miss, to they will be able to shoot slower and go for 0 and i think in that case one of them would be bound to get through without a miss and win a medal. Maybe they also think: The later it gets, the colder = faster it gets.

No, the reason why Germany isn't competitive in ice hockey or curling surely isn't that everyone else is doping. You are really multo agressivo lately to be honest.

Von Appen barely lost time against Dreßen in the downhill of the alpine combined tonight, so he might be a dark horse for the downhill on Thursday. The only mexican winter sport athlete i ever heard of is "Hubertus von Hohenlohe", but i doubt he will medal. Given Mexico's strong tradition in diving, i think they might do really well in aerials/moguls/big air/halfpipe if they would have any snow ... For Colombia to win a medal at winter olympics, they would probably have to introduce some sort of weightlifting or BMX on ice. At least the second one doesn't seem impossible given IOC's more recent decisions.

I think you will get to 10, but maybe Germany can do it too: Biathlon, luge, ski jumping are already secure + nordic combined, bob should be pretty safe too. The other 5 would be alpine skiing (Rebensburg), skeleton (Lölling or Hermann), figure skating (Savchenko/Massot) + 2 out of speed skating (Pechstein, women's team pursuit), snowboarding (men's snowboard cross, women's PGS), freestyle skiing (men's ski cross) or maybe even short track (Anna Seidel). Of course the absence of Zimmermann and Zacher clearly hurt the german medal chances in freestyle skiing, otherwise i would have been really optimistic. The US might also do it: Snowboarding, luge, ice hockey, freestyle skiing, figure skating, bobsleigh, alpine skiing + 3 out of biathlon, cross-country skiing (women's relay/team sprint), short track, skeleton (on the women's side) or speed skating. I would say they will end up with 9, but let's see.

Norway is doing amazing! They already have 11 medals and have a couple more medal chances to come. Tomorrow they should win 1-2 golds as well.

I absolutely don't agree here, i think certain nations just have a much better doping program as others, so it's not fair at all, now they just have medical advantage instead of material/training advantages. Doping will always be there, but by applying much tougher sanctions, we could at least push it back a little bit. You always seem to be very involved when italian athletes compete to be honest ... i remeber your reaction after Fischnaller only finished 4th for example or all your comments in the fencing thread.

Eitberger and Geisenberger are really HUGE. This makes you think about what the US could reach if they would care more about (certain) winter sports ... Just imagine some of their best sprinters competing in skeleton or some of their best basketball players competing in ski jumping/luge. Thank god that didn't happen so far, otherwise Germany probably wouldn't win anything at the winter olympics anymore.

I think at this point we can safely assume that we won't agree on this topic, but my main problem is something else: You are not able to discuss properly. "Like a(n) 11 year old", "I'm not here 24/7 like you to have all that time", "... on a near nervous breakdown" and so on, you have to use personal attacks because you have no arguments. On this board this is no problem, because nothing you say could insult me, but i hope you don't use this in the real world, it would make you seem very uneducated. I would put it like this: Insulting someone is the easy way out, because you try to pull it onto a personal level, where arguments don't count, because you don't have any + by doing it you don't have to come up with real arguments and maybe face the possibility that you might be wrong. - If you are not here 24/7, how exactly can you tell whether i am here 24/7 or not and how exactly would this have anything to do with our discussion anyway? You try to use the "i am not here 24/7 argument" in your favor, but basically you are saying "i don't have time to gather all the information i would need to lead a proper discussion", so actually your own argument strikes back here. - I don't chose to highlight Fill's quotes, but you are trying to make it sound as if everyone agreed that the conditions were unfair, so i used his quotes to show that apparently it wasn't that obvious, but you are completely unable to acknowledge that. So the "... not just highlight the stuff that make(s) your argument semi-believable ..." argument also falls right back to you. I think it would be a great thing if this discussion would lead you to the conclusion that not everything is black or white as you try to make it seem. - The "... not sure what exactly you find incorrect ..." part irritates me a bit to be honest. After leading this discussion for multiple hours, you still don't understand how i disagree with you? How can you try to lead a discussion with me, if you don't know how exactly we disagree? Maybe they had different wind conditions, maybe not, the event is over and i think we can agree that the downhill results didn't have much of an impact anyway. From the beginning my problem was that many people on here acted as if there was no doubt that the conditions were completely unfair, without having any proof/without adressing things that might contradict that (Fill's quotes, times of certain athletes). Here is how i would have liked the discussion to go: - Someone should have explained, how exactly they knew that the wind had a negative effect and when exactly did it start? Why did everyone win time on Dreßen until the first intermediate and from the last intermediate to the finish? - Why did Fill say that the conditions weren't unfair and why was Svindal only 0.07 behind Dreßen despite having a big mistake, if the conditions were unfair for him? Would you say that Svindal, despite making a big mistake, should normally still be ahead of Dreßen in an easy race that is only 1:19 minutes long? Shouldn't the training results and the most recent world cup results (Dreßen's win in Kitzbühel) lead us to the conclusion that they are about on the same level, so with a big mistake, Svindal should normally not be ahead of Dreßen?

Norwegian people say that he just invented a new technique of running uphill, but apparently no one asked the following questions: 1) How much stronger must he be than everyone else to use that technique and how is it possible that someone who competed at juniors until recently is so much stronger than all the "adults". 2) Why did no one else come up with this new technique, given that it seems to make you unbeatable ... If a nation has it's best male and female athlete banned in a sport, i don't trust this nation anymore + i think that norwegians panicked when they saw the bans for Sundby/Johaug and the rapid declining of Northug.

Really ... ? I though he was a marathon runner ... 400 m hurdles is more of a mid-distance event thanks to the hurdles, unlike the 400 m flat. I should have said mid-distance/long-distance, so thanks for the correction. Of course i remember him competing at the 2015 junior european championships in both the decathlon and the 400 m at the same time and winning silver in both events.

I think she will compete, i meant absence in the way that she won't compete for medals due to her injury/illness after the last race. I think it would be better to not compete tomorrow, but she still has enough time to withdraw and allow Hammerschmidt to compete.

Why are there only reviews but no previews: I think tomorrow will be a great day: 2:00 Pair skating short program 2:15/5:45 Alpine skiing women's slalom 2:30/3:00/3:30 Snowboard men's halfpipe 7:00/9:45 Nordic combined normal hill 12:20/13:30 Luge doubles 11:00 Speed skating women's 1000 m 12:05 Biathlon women's individual Super packed and not too much holes (except maybe for the time between the end of snowboard halfpipe and the start of the second run of alpine skiing). I am very excited, for me this will be by far the best day so far, if everything takes place.

Haha, propaganda by a dutch website, just to make dutch people feel better about themselves. Germany has 5 golds (2 x Dahlmeier, Peiffer, Wellinger, Geisenberger). So far Germany lead the medal table after every day and tomorrow Germany should win another gold in luge, so i don't expect it to change tomorrow, although the absence of Dahlmeier will hurt the german medal count.

What do you mean? That everyone would have been angry about them sweeping the golds?

1) There are many athletes that has been said about and of course when someone becomes olympic champion, everyone claims that he knew it before he was even born ... 2) Your last argument doesn't make sense to me. So you don't think that a nation like Norway (sudden resurgence in speed skating, sudden improvements in distance running (Moen, Ingebrigtsen, Grovdal, Warholm)) or the Netherlands has a special program to be so dominant in events that are 99% about endurance/strength? For me this makes no sense, if one nation has a much better program than the others, it's as unfair as only one nation doping, of course if you leave the moral aspect (if everyone dopes, no one can complain about having an unfair disadvantage, so we should not feel sorry for those who just don't dope good enough) aside.

Name one other male athlete who had such a fast transition to the senior level. I dont even remember a female athlete doing so ... Golds at junior level don't mean much in cross-country. I can't even count the number of medals Victoria Carl won at junior level, but she is still shit at senior level. Look at Magnus Kim as well, he is lightyears away from doing anything at the senior level, despite being super impressive at junior level, but Klaebo just transitioned from junior to senior level without any delay, it's completely unnormal.

He looks fine to me, but he didn't deserve to go home without a medal just because of one bad run. It is also unfair to Eggert/Benecken and Geisenberger to make them compete with Ludwig, it clearly lowers their gold medal chance and of course everything but the gold would be a historic disaster for the german team. Loch even visited the austrian house in Pyeongchang after the competition to party with Gleirscher.

Really ... ? I never heard that before, although i watched almost all world cups for the last 5+ years ... (Irony off). Why exactly do you keep telling me things that i already know? Of course it would be shitty to Ludwig, but the most important thing is to win gold, so Loch should compete instead of Ludwig. If Germany only wins 2 golds in luge, they should lose all funding, it would be a complete disgrace.