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Yes for 2 member juries and 3 member juries it will remain the same as a member's 12 point preference has always appeared in the combined votes so no real issue there. And thanks for your opinion, much appreciated. Would love to hear comments about user's preferred breakdown of voting and whether there is more value in rewarding a song liked by one jury member over a song liked by all but maybe not anyone's favourite. If there is enough discussion about it then supplementary questions can be added, but if it seems like users are happy to go ahead with this proposed format then we will implement that. So, discuss, vote, argue, let's hear from you all

A question regarding a potential rule change has been opened on the TISC Discussion thread here. Please take some time to read and cast your vote. Thanks

Totallympics International Song Contest: Rule Change Question On the TISC Annual 2020 thread, @Dunadan has brought up the idea of changing the internal voting format for multi-member juries as he feels the current system in large multi-member juries means that the preferences of one member can be completely wiped out by the combined voting. As such I thought it would be a worthwhile exercise to gauge the opinion of the wider TISC community on this issue. @Dunadan's idea is that for larger multi-member juries, each member of that jury would award points in the following format: 18-15-12-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 The reasoning offered is that one jury member's top preference would be awarded 18 points and would be more likely to appear at least somewhere in the top 12 of the overall combined jury votes. It is important to be clear here that this does not mean that a large multi-member jury will award more points than any other jury. The internal points will be combined as normal to create a set of points from 12 to 1, in the same way that all national juries will award their points. ******************** Question: In the case of multi-member juries with more than 3 jury members, should the internal voting of that jury be changed to allow each member of that jury to award points in the following format?: 18-15-12-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 (a) Yes, I agree with these changes (b) No, I do not agree to these changes I am particularly interested in getting the thoughts of the Italian jury members @Henry_Leon @SteveParker @Pablita @Gianlu33 and of course @Dunadan. However, as this potential change has implications for all juries in future, everyone is welcomed and indeed encouraged to cast their votes on this issue. We will put a deadline of Friday, 31st January 21:00 GMT for members to vote on this issue and whatever option receives the majority vote, the result of this poll will be implemented in time for the upcoming TISC Annual 2020 in Algeria and the rules will be edited accordingly. Only users who have participated in a previous TISC event are permitted to vote in this poll. In the case of a tie in the voting, the status quo will remain and we will re-visit the issue again in the next edition. Thank you for your attention @bestmen @konig @LDOG @KingOfTheRhinos @titicow @vinipereira @intoronto @Manulete @Function CR Lee @dcro @Agger @Wumo @thepharoah @Finnator123 @Bohemia @Benolympique @uk12points @Janakis @Vektor @Fly_like_a_don @Griff88 @Ruslan @Werloc @Glen @mrv86 @Ionoutz24 @heywoodu @Wanderer @Skijumpingmaster @rybak @kungshamra71 @IoNuTzZ @DaniSRB @hckosice @justony @Cobi @Belle @amen09 @tuniscof @dezbee2008 @Olympian1010 @stefanbg @Damian @catgamer @Quasit @Dolby @Monzanator @kungshamra71 @FC Mezhgorye @Jur @Memo @Argenis Gonzalez

I may return to reporting duties at some point but I can say it won’t be for winter sports which I know nothing about and rarely watch

1 star for Joker? Give me a break :d

Just in the middle of watching the 2-hour premier of HBO's adaptation of Stephen King's "The Outsider" on Sky Atlantic. I am really liking this so far. Did you get a chance to catch this @Olympian1010 ?

I understand. Well there is no harm to allow a discussion on this. One idea could be that as the national jury adds more members, the internal voting structure changes accordingly. 1 and 2 member juries could have the standard format, 3 and 4 member juries could have a slight change and 5+ member juries could have an additional change.

I guess we could explore this option though and allowing a public vote on the matter. Maybe national juries should decide themselves the system of distributing their points. Though I personally love the system currently and it has resulted in the unique situation where Italy (always a big multi-member jury) has always found the overall winner in its set of votes. It kind of shows that it is a good way of finding the overall taste.

Yes, I see now. I thought initially he meant that multi-juries should award more points.. It's rare that a 12 point song from a jury member would receive nothing in the overall vote (it happened I think sometimes). But in the end, it's still the same for all members, their votes count as much as any other member.

Every jury must award equal points as it would be unfair for nations with multi-juries if they have to award more points to other countries whilst receiving 0 themselves.

@Sindo Rory McIlroy will represent Ireland at the Olympics and not GB. His medal here needs to be attributed to Ireland and not GB.

Oh come on, we all know the number 1 terrorist is Putin and the big bad Russia. Duh.

America, proving they are the terrorists of the world once again. How else to start a new decade

Yes, format should not matter, at least not a whole lot. I love the idea of having the results available here as it will be useful for me personally. I used to contribute when I could on the old forum but I don't have time to spend on adhering to strict formats, and I view my free time as more precious these days. But I am definitely all for this idea even if I cannot contribute myself

I think Sindo said it was to preserve those results in case they ever disappear from those sites, and they would be easy to find here.

Wright!!!! WORLD CHAMPION 2020!!

6-3!!!

5-3 Wright! Just 2 more sets Peter, come on

2-0 Wright

Hoping for the Wright winner

Ireland will participate.

Happy New Year everyone! Wishing you and your loved ones all the best for 2020!

I have messaged bestmen and he has explained that he simply opened the thread so that he can firstly, post the "Happy New Year" greeting he created for TISC and also for another reason. He has created intros for each nation that he wants to post as each nation registers. It's just simply to mark the news that x nation is coming to Algeria to participate in TISC. It doesn't mean that the official song submission period has begun, it's simply to pass the time, make a bit of TISC news to keep the TISC in the spotlight before the contest officially begins and I think that is no harm. The official song submission window will still be a 2 week window, and this will open at a later date when bestmen is sure of the date he wishes to host the final. I personally have no issue with this as the main reason users wanted to streamline the windows and make them shorter is because users said it seemed like the period between when users submitted songs and the grand final was too long. This won't affect that. So the way I am looking at it is that bestmen would like us to announce our intention to participate and he will then provide us with a little intro to mark the news. It sounds like a nice touch. @bestmen if I didn't get this right, maybe you can do a better job in explaining.

Okay, I have moved the debate about the new thread and the rules to the discussion thread so we can keep the start of this thread relatively clean until registrations begin. I will also update the rules thread here to reflect the new rules that were implemented. I have asked bestmen if we have a schedule yet for when the final will take place and we will come up with a schedule for the registration, voting and preparation windows based around that. Until then the thread can remain open but we will keep registrations closed until we know the schedule. The reason for this is because on the request of users previously, we had a vote on this very subject because users had already brought up the issue of there being too long a period between registrations, voting and the eventual final and that is why there was a vote for that in the first place. Also, if a Grand Final in February suits bestmen best (if he is unable to host in March or April for example) then that should be fine. All we need to know is the schedule so we can implement the 2 week registration, voting and preparation periods. I hope everyone is ok with this resolution. Thanks, Dan

I totally understand why people are not happy with bestmen as host, his behaviour towards previous hosts has been appalling to be frank. And I respect those opinions of those who don't agree with Algeria hosting. Just like bad remarks towards previous hosts has been an injustice to their efforts, stripping Algeria from hosting rights after the fact would seem like a similar injustice. I think we are better than that and by showing we can rise above the bad example of others is a more fitting example of what we are as a community. Obviously, bestmen or any future host can still be stripped of hosting rights if they misbehave prior to or during the contest, but until then I would love if you can all get behind this as much as you are comfortable with. Who knows, by giving someone an opportunity to redeem themselves instead of closing the door to them, they might just surprise you. And if not, then it's their loss. But let it be them who squanders the chance to make amends and turn over a new leaf rather than us deciding that they can't. Sometimes it's good to give people another chance.