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  On 10/24/2023 at 2:58 AM, konig said:

He didnt scream or doing nothing wire/freak, for TV he can give a very particular image, you know what i mean.

 

Nothing happen like "zurdo de mierda, pasame los chinchulines", for example :lol:

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You mean wild?

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  On 10/24/2023 at 2:31 AM, konig said:

2) The law about sex in school in Argentina has a lot of gender ideology, thats the problem, all the libertarians are against that for being one of the woke values.

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So libertarians are in favor of the government saying what can and can't be taught when it fits their personal social ideology? I thought libertarians were all about personal rights?

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  On 10/24/2023 at 4:16 AM, LDOG said:

You mean wild?

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Wire = Weird, I believe. I think the accent is sneaking into the spelling there ;)

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  On 10/24/2023 at 2:31 AM, konig said:

1) Yes, he is against abortion, there are libertarians in favor and against abortion, there are a big part of argentinians against the abortion and there arent politicias who has that position, politically, is not a bad move.

2) The law about sex in school in Argentina has a lot of gender ideology, thats the problem, all the libertarians are against that for being one of the woke values.

3) The covid vaccines were experimental, its logical some doubts and being the vaccination obligatory, is against some libertarians principles.

4) The free gun posseion is a tipical libertarian principle, in my case, i dont agree with this and in Argentina make a big "noise" his proposal.

5) There are a part of the cientist who says the climate change is a natural process, not something coming from human beings, he is with that position.

6) He respect a lot homosexuals, nothing against them, a libertarian who want to attack their freedom, is not a libertarian, is a conservative.

 

He has some things in common with Bolsonaro and Trump but in another things he is very diferent, is a complety political outsider, he was a "media economist" before 2021 when he starts his political career.

 

In 2019, with some friends, we invited him to our city Bahia Blanca for presenting his new book and we have a barbecue after that, "nothing wire" with him and he didnt win any money for this, even he pays his airline ticket.

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Right. In short, sounds indeed like the typical politician I would stay far, far away from if someone with those positions was here :lol: 

 

Especially if he's one of those people who drags on about "this is woke!" and "that is woke!", ugh. Half the things those people call 'woke' (with a negative tone, of course) are basic human things, nowadays. Anyhow, thanks for the explanation and the confirmation of what I thought :d 

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  On 10/23/2023 at 7:00 AM, NMQ said:

1) If that scenario happens let's hope that's the case, because a lot of his ideas beyond the economic ones are scary af...

 

2) Don't know if it works the same in english, but there's a say in spanish a bit like "better a bad one known that a good one to know". This is a pretty conservative country and all that Massa represents, a guy that can switch to whatever suits him better without morals but can unite powers behind him and give some kind of stability, works in his favour in this uncertain scenario of crisis and fear.

 

There are three weeks left and that is a lifetime in this country, though, so everything could happen.

 

Personally, I always vote for the most center/progressive non peronist candidate (and I always lose, ha). In the 2015 runoff between the peronist Scioli and the center right oppositor Macri, I voted neither. I despise Massa, so I may repeat, but if the numbers are close i may change because the prospect of a Milei presidency (and mostly the people around him) scare me way more.

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I don't agree on this perspective. Argentina is in a pretty bad situation. If you want to have a higher standard of living, you have to take risks. Argentina is far away from pretty much every major market and of course that hurts them, but the same applies to Chile and they have a much higher GDP per capita. Argentina probably has a way too big population (The goal should be to reduce the population to 20 million people at most). I think Argentina has a lot of potential as an energy exporter (to Europe) (wind power -> hydrogen -> fertilizer etc., lithium). Maybe south american countries can form something like a "lithium OPEC". Maybe countries like Australia or Norway could be role models for Argentina. Argentina has roughly the same population size as Canada/Saudi Arabia, but not the abundance of natural resources of those countries. At the beginning of the 20th century Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world (8th most prosperous country in the world). The argentinian GDP per capita was way higher than the italian, japanese or brazilian GDP per capita. Nowadays agriculture isn't as important anymore, so clearly Argentina has to find a new business model. If you want to know what you have to do going forward, you first have to understand how you got where you are right now.

 

Some interesting quotes i found:

"Canada and Argentina were once equals, but bad decision by bad decision, Argentina declined."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-canada-argentina-economic-output/

"Since 1950, Argentina has spent 33% of the time in recession, second in the world behind the Democratic Republic of Congo."

https://santandertrade.com/en/portal/analyse-markets/argentina/economic-political-outline

 

Some (potentially) insightful reads:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-05/argentina-is-dealing-with-100-per-cent-inflation-heres-how/102930048

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/argentinas-lithium-pipeline-promises-white-gold-boom-chile-tightens-control-2023-04-24/

https://time.com/6275197/south-america-lithium-opec/

https://www.cpreview.org/blog/2023/9/the-rise-of-a-lithium-opec-should-latin-america-follow-in-the-footsteps-of-the-gulf-states

https://www.oxfordenergy.org/publications/will-argentina-become-a-relevant-gas-exporter/

https://www.ft.com/content/a3982bb1-75cb-4988-8677-07499337fbda

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/argentinas-vaca-muerta-shale-boom-is-running-out-road-2022-12-27/

https://www.agora-strategy.com/post/the-geostrategic-importance-of-argentina-and-brazil-as-partners-for-europe-1

https://hir.harvard.edu/argentinas-economic-downfall-which-party-will-save-the-citizens/

https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2023/10/19/can-argentinas-next-president-fix-the-economy-dont-count-on-it

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2023/753938/EPRS_BRI(2023)753938_EN.pdf

https://www.ft.com/content/778193e4-44d8-11de-82d6-00144feabdc0

https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication Files/LAER Introduction to Argentine Exceptionalism_3c49e7ee-4f31-49a0-ba21-6e2b726cd7c5.pdf

https://archive.nytimes.com/economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/what-happened-to-argentina/

https://manifold.bfi.uchicago.edu/read/case-of-argentina/section/9905ef24-8c94-42ad-adf7-068efb4d9afb

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2000/03/pou.htm

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w19924/w19924.pdf

https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/argentina-dollar-love-affair-agonizes-over-divorcing-peso-2023-09-05/

 

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  On 10/23/2023 at 7:16 AM, heywoodu said:

Apparently against abortion, even in the case of rape (like a 10-year old (!) being raped and getting pregnant, but his main worry seemed to have been the abortion and calling the abortion as much of a crime....dude), doesn't want school children to learn the basics about sex in school, sceptic about COVID vaccines, supports free gun possession, denying climate change, one of those people who say others 'decide to be homosexual', etc.

 

Every single point sounds like the typical Trump/Bolsonaro/conspiracy nut :p 

 

(of course this all comes from English-language things like the ever-so-reliable Wikipedia, so if these things aren't actually true about him, or exaggerated, I'd like to know :p)

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Some of those things sound stupid/unreasonable, but i don't really see any "conspiracies" (maybe except for denying man-made climate change). He sounds pretty pro-american. The US would probably be happy with him winning, not allowing China to gain more influence in their "backyard". Argentina should try to use this position to "milk" the US/China. For the sake of Argentina i just hope that he will try his best to develop renewable energies in Argentina (despite apparently denying man-made climate change).

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  On 10/24/2023 at 2:31 AM, konig said:

1) Yes, he is against abortion, there are libertarians in favor and against abortion, there are a big part of argentinians against the abortion and there arent politicias who has that position, politically, is not a bad move.

2) The law about sex in school in Argentina has a lot of gender ideology, thats the problem, all the libertarians are against that for being one of the woke values.

3) The covid vaccines were experimental, its logical some doubts and being the vaccination obligatory, is against some libertarians principles.

4) The free gun posseion is a tipical libertarian principle, in my case, i dont agree with this and in Argentina make a big "noise" his proposal.

5) There are a part of the cientist who says the climate change is a natural process, not something coming from human beings, he is with that position.

6) He respect a lot homosexuals, nothing against them, a libertarian who want to attack their freedom, is not a libertarian, is a conservative.

 

He has some things in common with Bolsonaro and Trump but in another things he is very diferent, is a complety political outsider, he was a "media economist" before 2021 when he starts his political career.

 

In 2019, with some friends, we invited him to our city Bahia Blanca for presenting his new book and we have a barbecue after that, "nothing wire" with him and he didnt win any money for this, even he pays his airline ticket.

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Personally i am not quite sure why many right wing politicians are so strongly against abortions. I don't believe that it has religious reasons, so the most obvious take would be to assume that they just want as much cheap labour as possible, which would hurt their voters (lowering wages). It is rather rare to see left wing politicians who are against mass migration and right wing politicians who are in favor of abortions ...

 

As far as I know minorities are less likely to vote for conservative politicians and they are also more likely to get abortions, so by banning abortions conservative politicians would hurt the chance of their party to get elected in the future.

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