[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[konig 1,609]

44 minutes ago, LDOG said:

I only used the descriptions that majority of political analysts (both national and foreign) would use to label these parties.   

  

Btw you should cheer up, it's still perfectly possible for Milei to win (ofc I wouldn't want it, but it's a realistic scenario still).

Yes, you are rigth and i apologize for that, i get mad most of the times when i read "far rigth" for a libertarian candidate when the far rigth in Argentina must be Biondini and his party.

 

I dont lose the hope but i believe we will have this scenario "but" with Milei with the % of Massa

[LDOG 2,486]

27 minutes ago, George_D said:

 

 

from what i have been reading for years now, Massa is considered a "center-right"(Federal) peronist. Kirchner and his wife were left wing peronists. Correct me if i am mistaken. . . 

I wouldn't describe any faction of peronism as right wing except maybe in the 90s. Federal peronism is centrist at most. These labels are always a bit relative to what's in front though. 

What matters anyway is that an hypothetical government of Massa would certainly follow leftist policies for the most part even if he himself is not the most leftist member of the coalition.

[konig 1,609]

45 minutes ago, George_D said:

 

 

from what i have been reading for years now, Massa is considered a "center-right"(Federal) peronist. Kirchner and his wife were left wing peronists. Correct me if i am mistaken. . . 

Massa in theory is that but in the facts is what ever you want to he be, he can pass from far rigth to far left without shame.

 

His teorical goverment is what LDOG describe.

[mrv86 3,269]

1 hour ago, konig said:

Incredible results, only in Argentina......

 

"Far  rigth" ok........i have no desire to discuss.

Well it's the same old tale in every Latin American election: the douche v. the turd sandwich. 

 

There's no political party in the region with a left, centre, right or any other ideology or a political compass. They're just a bunch of morons, pimps, drug dealers, terrorists and white collar criminals looking every bit of power for themselves.

 

In summary: there's no left or right parties in Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Brazil and the rest of Latin American. They're all getting too similar to Italian Fascist Party or German National Socialist Party.

 

So sad that Argentina now has to look to a clown like Milei as al alternative, same as Mexico did back in 2018.

[konig 1,609]

8 minutes ago, mrv86 said:

Well it's the same old tale in every Latin American election: the douche v. the turd sandwich. 

 

There's no political party in the region with a left, centre, right or any other ideology or a political compass. They're just a bunch of morons, pimps, drug dealers, terrorists and white collar criminals looking every bit of power for themselves.

 

In summary: there's no left or right parties in Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Brazil and the rest of Latin American. They're all getting too similar to Italian Fascist Party or German National Socialist Party.

 

So sad that Argentina now has to look to a clown like Milei as al alternative, same as Mexico did back in 2018.

I agree with you in the first part.......but comparing Milei with Lopez Obrador is really tough for Milei, in my case, im libertarian and he represents well the ideology, in Argentina we dont have a libertarian president since Marcelo T De Alvear (1922-1928) and Milei is the hope for that, sadly,  our PRI doesnt want to Argentina scape from extreme poverty.

[LDOG 2,486]

13 minutes ago, mrv86 said:

 

So sad that Argentina now has to look to a clown like Milei as al alternative, same as Mexico did back in 2018.

Btw nothing to say about his political qualities but I found the AMLO reaction faces to watching Milei videos so funny  not the commentary, just his faces.

Edited October 23, 2023 by LDOG

[bestmen 2,926]

China sent 6 warships to Gaza 

Time to prepare my popcorn 

 

[OlympicsFan 860]

As an outsider i hope that Milei will win.

1) I really want to see what happens when someone like him becomes the head of state. Will he be able to follow up on his promises?

2) Argentina seems to be in a situation where they don't have too much to lose. Electing the same politicians over and over again probably won't change anything for the better.

[Griff88 2,021]

55 minutes ago, mrv86 said:

There's no political party in the region with a left, centre, right or any other ideology or a political compass. They're just a bunch of morons, pimps, drug dealers, terrorists and white collar criminals looking every bit of power for themselves.

Pretty much the same in Indonesia, except you replace the drug dealer part with "coal/palm oil magnate"

 

On the outside you see Nationalist vs Islamist battle but at the inside no one in the party really cared about any ideologies.

 

For the upcoming election, we have some major parties partnering with their sworn enemies from the last 10 years... People who fanatically support a famous politician today must deal with their idol partnering with the son of their most hated rival politician

[NMQ 243]

2 hours ago, OlympicsFan said:

As an outsider i hope that Milei will win.

1) I really want to see what happens when someone like him becomes the head of state. Will he be able to follow up on his promises?

2) Argentina seems to be in a situation where they don't have too much to lose. Electing the same politicians over and over again probably won't change anything for the better.

1) If that scenario happens let's hope that's the case, because a lot of his ideas beyond the economic ones are scary af...

 

2) Don't know if it works the same in english, but there's a say in spanish a bit like "better a bad one known that a good one to know". This is a pretty conservative country and all that Massa represents, a guy that can switch to whatever suits him better without morals but can unite powers behind him and give some kind of stability, works in his favour in this uncertain scenario of crisis and fear.

 

There are three weeks left and that is a lifetime in this country, though, so everything could happen.

 

Personally, I always vote for the most center/progressive non peronist candidate (and I always lose, ha). In the 2015 runoff between the peronist Scioli and the center right oppositor Macri, I voted neither. I despise Massa, so I may repeat, but if the numbers are close i may change because the prospect of a Milei presidency (and mostly the people around him) scare me way more.