[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

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On 19/05/2021 at 08:54, Grassmarket said:

As I’ve said before, the only crime that Trump, Sarkozy, Netanyahu, Le Pen, Wilders, Salvini & the Catalan nationalists have ever committed is to make themselves popular by opposing the left.  That’s why they must be imprisoned & excluded from elections.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57166735  

I only want to comment on the Catalan part. There were/are 3 main political blocs/parties in the Catalan separatist movement: the ERC, PDCat (later became JuntsperCat and so on) and the CUP. From these, the CUP are literal anarchists, so definitely very very ultra left. ERC is a left nationalist party, apart from their separatism, some of their politicians regularly criticize the mainstream left (such as PSOE) for not being left enough. And the PDCat albeit it was a centre right party, their main goal was (2017) to push for separatism and not to “oppose the left”.
Moreover, in 2017, among the mainstream national (not regional) parties in Spain there was no real left-right split about the attitute towards Catalan separatism, if there was a party which had any understanding towards the separatists, it was the radical left Podemos. And the more to the right a party was in national politics there more it rejected Catalan separatism (the radical right Vox party launched its political prominence by attacking the centre right for not being tough enough on the separatists)

So to sum up, to say that Catalan separatism can be characterized as a “rightwing” movement “opposing the left”, and in the other hand, those who oppose the separatism as some kind of “left” is both politically and historically incorrect

[Grassmarket 3,531]

7 hours ago, dharang said:

I only want to comment on the Catalan part. There were/are 3 main political blocs/parties in the Catalan separatist movement: the ERC, PDCat (later became JuntsperCat and so on) and the CUP. From these, the CUP are literal anarchists, so definitely very very ultra left. ERC is a left nationalist party, apart from their separatism, some of their politicians regularly criticize the mainstream left (such as PSOE) for not being left enough. And the PDCat albeit it was a centre right party, their main goal was (2017) to push for separatism and not to “oppose the left”.
Moreover, in 2017, among the mainstream national (not regional) parties in Spain there was no real left-right split about the attitute towards Catalan separatism, if there was a party which had any understanding towards the separatists, it was the radical left Podemos. And the more to the right a party was in national politics there more it rejected Catalan separatism (the radical right Vox party launched its political prominence by attacking the centre right for not being tough enough on the separatists)

So to sum up, to say that Catalan separatism can be characterized as a “rightwing” movement “opposing the left”, and in the other hand, those who oppose the separatism as some kind of “left” is both politically and historically incorrect

For sure it is complicated, but since Catalonia is the wealthiest part of Spain any attempt by Catalonia to withdraw its money from the general Spanish Treasury will be seen as “right wing” by Spanish leftists. Exact same thing with Slovenia & the Baltic Republics thirty years ago.

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Wait, isn't Catalonia viewed as the politically left-wing part of Spain? So how does the left-wing central government view them? As far-left or right-wing? Something doesn't add up here or am I missing something?   Unless they still play the extinct Republican card and pull out the anarchists crap?

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3 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

Wait, isn't Catalonia viewed as the politically left-wing part of Spain? So how does the left-wing central government view them? As far-left or right-wing? Something doesn't add up here or am I missing something?   Unless they still play the extinct Republican card and pull out the anarchists crap?

One of the few things that unite the Spanish left & right is that Catalan nationalism must be opposed. Even if it means jailing them.

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1 hour ago, Grassmarket said:

One of the few things that unite the Spanish left & right is that Catalan nationalism must be opposed. Even if it means jailing them.

 

12 hours ago, Grassmarket said:

For sure it is complicated, but since Catalonia is the wealthiest part of Spain any attempt by Catalonia to withdraw its money from the general Spanish Treasury will be seen as “right wing” by Spanish leftists. Exact same thing with Slovenia & the Baltic Republics thirty years ago.

If a referrendum was to be held, what percentage of people would vote in favor of independence? 

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parliament today. water pouring on the minister of finance (former PM) by a deputy of the neo nazi party immediately calmed by his "buddy"

 

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[Gianlu33 4,693]

Tomasevic lead the exit poll with 68%

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57379875

"Ukraine's Euro 2020 football kit provokes outrage in Russia"

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How is this controversial? Nobody really recognizes the Russian rule over Crimea.