[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Dnl 691]

5 minutes ago, konig said:

Facts, important......

He made more agreements between countries then wars he met with leaders that considered the enemy of the U.S and yet it so hard for people to remember the good things he did... 

 

[konig 1,504]

1 minute ago, Dnl said:

He made more agreements between countries then wars he met with leaders that considered the enemy of the U.S and yet it so hard for people to remember the good things he did... 

 

I remember when many people says "he will cause a third world war" and he didnt made any 

[OlympicsFan 858]

37 minutes ago, konig said:

Facts, important......

Wouldn’t call those facts ...

Also fighting a war isn’t necessarily better than not fighting a war. War should be the last resort, but sometimes it is the best/only solution.

[konig 1,504]

2 hours ago, OlympicsFan said:

Wouldn’t call those facts ...

Also fighting a war isn’t necessarily better than not fighting a war. War should be the last resort, but sometimes it is the best/only solution.

We are totally agree!!, but remember Trump "will cause the third world war" according his detractors and, for the contrary, Obama was tolerance and peace.....and he won the Peace Nobel .

Carl von Clausewitze says: "War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means".

[konig 1,504]

By the way, yesterday was another aniversary of the  fall of the Berlin Wall but it wasnt the end of the communism, it transform in gramscianism.

 

Armenia surrender to Azerbaiyan 

[Vic Liu 1,682]

3 hours ago, konig said:

By the way, yesterday was another aniversary of the  fall of the Berlin Wall but it wasnt the end of the communism, it transform in gramscianism.

 

Armenia surrender to Azerbaiyan 

Current agreetment is already the best one for Armenia as long as Russia doesn’t directly involve. Azerbaijan already got the second largest city and the capital is the next one to fight. But now at least they saved the capital and can expect fight back someday in the future. 
 

Armenia feels sad and angry that the whole world abandoned them including Russia. That is the cruel reality. People fight for interests not values or friendships. Apparently enough Azerbaijan is much more strategically important for most countries.

[Olympian1010 7,971]

Doesn’t look like the citizens of Armenia are taking this too well. There’s multiple videos of protestors storming and taking control of Parliament.

[heywoodu 15,135]

9 hours ago, konig said:

Facts, important......

Ah yes, Obama started the fighting in Syria and such. Without him, it'd still have been a lovely and peaceful country  !

[Vic Liu 1,682]

45 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Doesn’t look like the citizens of Armenia are taking this too well. There’s multiple videos of protestors storming and taking control of Parliament.

If I am Armenian I would also be frustrated and angry. With so many deaths of soldiers and civilians, lost around 1/3 land control of Karabakh including the 2nd biggest city, huge amounts of resettled ethnical Armenian lost their homes and properties, most nationals would be angry and they deserved a pass-way to give vent to their emotions. Still, as an outsider, it's a good timing to surrender otherwise they will lose it all without intervence. 

[heywoodu 15,135]

Just now, Vic Liu said:

If I am Armenian I would also be frustrated and angry. With so many deaths of soldiers and civilians, lost around 1/3 land control of Karabakh including the 2nd biggest city, huge amounts of resettled ethnical Armenian lost their homes and properties, most nationals would be angry and they deserved a pass-way to give vent to their emotions. Still, as an outsider, it's a good timing to surrender otherwise they will lose it all without intervence. 

Will the Azeri's who were forced out of their homes while leaving everything behind at first now get back to their home towns or is it all too much destroyed?