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[Dragon 1,845]

12 hours ago, Monzanator said:

The excuse was that if an athlete lives & trains outside of Russia then it would be allowed to compete as neutral. That's why Klishina was allowed to compete in Rio 2016 since she lived in USA all the time.

 

Overall it's just cherry picking at this stage. Kenya should be long banned based on their number of doped athletes especially that it's only middle-distance running they are truly focused on. India does all the doping too but they're not any good save for one success story in javelin lately.

Klishina was a very odd case. In 2016 it was actually proved she had been protected by the Russian authorities in 2014 after an abnormal testosterone test.

https://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/Shared Documents/OG 16-024.pdf#search=klishina

[hckošice 14,836]

@rafalgorka You asked me to send you links about the Krakow-Poprad potential bid news, if I find something in our media. Today I found this one.

 

But apparently our NOC has no information about Poland´s interest. The Polish committee did not contact us in any way regarding this topic so far.

 

However, apparently is considering also a joint POL-CZE bid instead.

 

https://sport.aktuality.sk/c/bpteeUJ/zimna-olympiada-v-tatrach-polsko-chce-s-nami-organizovat-hry-slovaci-o-nicom-nevedia/

Edited February 15, 2023 by hckošice

[rafalgorka 1,532]

13 hours ago, hckošice said:

@rafalgorka You asked me to send you links about the Krakow-Poprad potential bid news, if I find something in our media. Today I found this one.

 

But apparently our NOC has no information about Poland´s interest. The Polish committee did not contact us in any way regarding this topic so far.

 

However, apparently is considering also a joint POL-CZE bid instead.

 

https://sport.aktuality.sk/c/bpteeUJ/zimna-olympiada-v-tatrach-polsko-chce-s-nami-organizovat-hry-slovaci-o-nicom-nevedia/

Thank you!

 

I have nothing against Karkonosze and CZE, but if I could choose, I would prefer POL-SVK bid.

 

Anyway, we can dream, but it won't happen.

 

It is just politics on POL side.

We have our parliamentary elections this autumn.

 

Zakopane and around are traditional pro-PiS area. So they want to gain more of their votes by telling them how much money they would invest in the area trying to get the olympics here.

 

I think this is too early for olympics in POL. Way too early.

We should start with Nordic Skiing WCH, i think we would be able to organize them in Zakopane and that would be:

1. fun to watch.

2. and it would be a competition that REALLY MATTERS, not these 2023-European-Games-sth.

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https://www.sport.pl/sport/7,65025,29470890,dopuszczenie-rosjan-do-igrzysk-to-nie-naiwnosc-to-mierzony.html#s=SNO_Img_1

 

an interesting text imo

 

Here is Google Translate:

 

Allowing Russians to participate in the Games is not naive. It's a measured punch with deep purpose
  Michal Kiedrowski 16.02.2023 13:35
When I hear Kamil Bortniczuk say: "The International Olympic Committee sins with naivety", I am sure that the Minister of Sport does not really understand what is at stake at all – comments Michał Kiedrowski from Sport.pl.

Kamil Bortniczuk talked about naivety in the context of the idea of allowing athletes from Russia and Belarus to participate in the Games under a neutral Olympic flag. And here, of course, I agree with the Minister of Sport that this is fiction. The neutral flag under which Russian athletes performed during the Winter Games in Beijing did not bother Russian President Vladimir Putin. He applauded his compatriots from the stands, and also used the athletes for propaganda during a rally at the Luzhniki stadium in Moscow. This event was one big manifesto of support for aggression against Ukraine.

But I do not agree with the suggestion that the IOC and President Thomas Bach were unaware of this. If someone has already climbed such a function in the Olympic movement, he must know this world and its rules from the inside out. And if I had to choose the qualities most useful for this, it would be: cynicism and hypocrisy, not naivety.
The global south does not look who is the aggressor and who is the victim

I think that both for Bach and for the vast majority of IOC members there is no doubt that it is impossible to reconcile the participation of Russians in the Games with the message of peace. But that's not the point. It is not even about Russia itself, but about showing who is in charge here, or rather, strictly speaking, that the West is no longer in charge. It is not Bach himself who is behind the admission of the Russians to the Games, but the entire coalition of countries - one can guess - with China at the forefront. After all, it was from Asia that the initiative for the Russians to take part in the Asian qualifications for the Games came from. It is in India that the World Women's Boxing Championships will be held in March, during which Russian women will perform both under their flag and with their anthem. It will be the same at the World Boxing Championships in Tashkent in May. All because the boxing federation is ruled by Umar Kremlin - Putin's trusted man.

Poland, together with the Czech Republic, Canada, the USA, Great Britain, Sweden, Ireland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia decided to boycott the event. In response, the authorities of the boxing federation proposed that all boxers from these countries be allowed to compete, regardless of the decisions of the national associations. They even promise to cover the costs.

Russian boxers have already performed under their flag in the recent World Boxing Tour Golden Belt Series tournament in Marrakech. As you can see, Moroccans don't mind Russian crimes against Ukrainians either. And here it is worth listening to what political scientists, such as Michał Lubina from the Jagiellonian University, say: "China managed to present this war in pro-Western countries as an intra-European conflict, a local proxy war of the West with Russia. This is how the Third World, i.e. the global south, thinks about it. who is indifferent to this war. He dislikes Americans more than he sees who is the aggressor and who is the victim."

We don't have a lever. The Chinese comrades will gladly replace us

It's brutal but true. If we look at the activities of the Olympic movement in this way, they are completely legible. Countries that are not Westerners are outraged by the moral blackmail that the Americans and their allies are exerting on them. Especially since we, as the West, have no leverage. European companies cannot say to the IOC: we will not pay you a broken euro if you do not respect our values. Olympic officials will just shrug: it's okay, you pay us almost nothing anyway. Chinese comrades will gladly replace you.

Western politicians should open their eyes. This is not naivety, but a calculated act. Anyway, let's look further. Not only at the IOC. Take the International Football Federation (FIFA). It is also where the influence of autocratic regimes is growing, which shows at every turn: the West no longer rules. The whole of European football depends on the money that flows to it from China and Arab states for television rights and sponsorship. For Asian fans, matches in England, Italy or Spain are scheduled for early afternoon hours on weekends. Due to fans from that region of the world, the Champions League final was moved from Wednesday to Saturday. The most influential man in European football is the Qatari Nasser Al-Khelaifi: not only the president of PSG, but also the CEO of beIN Media Group, as well as the head of the Association of European Clubs. The most sponsors of the European Championships are from China. Saudi Arabia even sponsored the Women's World Cup, much to the outrage of all human rights activists.

 

The World Cup in Qatar was a breakthrough: now we can do it all

The World Cup in Qatar became a breakthrough. Not only did they succeed, but they also turned out to be a great success. In addition, despite the fact that the hosts on many issues - such as allowing the sale of beer with percentages or rainbow bands - stood their ground against the protests of public opinion in the West. Indignation at each other, and fans delighted with the World Cup itself. FIFA boss Gianni Infantino can say to his colleagues what Bolo in "Football Poker" said to the Laguna referee: Now we can do it all, the biggest numbers in the world.

The Qatari people, whose emir had a friendly talk with Putin even before the start of the World Cup, did not wait long. They have already treated the workers brought from abroad to service the World Cup out of hand. Saudi Arabia won the Club World Cup. Another World Cup in the Persian Gulf, built by low-paid workers who are exploited beyond their means, seems a foregone conclusion. The Saudis want to organize it together with Egypt and Greece in 2030.

 

If the West wants the sporting world to continue to respect its ideals, it must have a new FIFA and a new IOC. In the old ones it will mean less and less. In Asia, they believe that the future center of the world lies there, and they will use every opportunity to show how little Europe and the United States matter anymore.

I will repeat again. The participation of Russians and Belarusians in the Games in Paris is no naivety, no pro-Russian sympathies, it is simply an opportunity to say: the West no longer has power.

 

Edited February 16, 2023 by rafalgorka

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34 minutes ago, rafalgorka said:

https://www.sport.pl/sport/7,65025,29470890,dopuszczenie-rosjan-do-igrzysk-to-nie-naiwnosc-to-mierzony.html#s=SNO_Img_1

 

an interesting text imo

 

Here is Google Translate:

 

Allowing Russians to participate in the Games is not naive. It's a measured punch with deep purpose
  Michal Kiedrowski 16.02.2023 13:35
When I hear Kamil Bortniczuk say: "The International Olympic Committee sins with naivety", I am sure that the Minister of Sport does not really understand what is at stake at all – comments Michał Kiedrowski from Sport.pl.

Kamil Bortniczuk talked about naivety in the context of the idea of allowing athletes from Russia and Belarus to participate in the Games under a neutral Olympic flag. And here, of course, I agree with the Minister of Sport that this is fiction. The neutral flag under which Russian athletes performed during the Winter Games in Beijing did not bother Russian President Vladimir Putin. He applauded his compatriots from the stands, and also used the athletes for propaganda during a rally at the Luzhniki stadium in Moscow. This event was one big manifesto of support for aggression against Ukraine.

But I do not agree with the suggestion that the IOC and President Thomas Bach were unaware of this. If someone has already climbed such a function in the Olympic movement, he must know this world and its rules from the inside out. And if I had to choose the qualities most useful for this, it would be: cynicism and hypocrisy, not naivety.
The global south does not look who is the aggressor and who is the victim

I think that both for Bach and for the vast majority of IOC members there is no doubt that it is impossible to reconcile the participation of Russians in the Games with the message of peace. But that's not the point. It is not even about Russia itself, but about showing who is in charge here, or rather, strictly speaking, that the West is no longer in charge. It is not Bach himself who is behind the admission of the Russians to the Games, but the entire coalition of countries - one can guess - with China at the forefront. After all, it was from Asia that the initiative for the Russians to take part in the Asian qualifications for the Games came from. It is in India that the World Women's Boxing Championships will be held in March, during which Russian women will perform both under their flag and with their anthem. It will be the same at the World Boxing Championships in Tashkent in May. All because the boxing federation is ruled by Umar Kremlin - Putin's trusted man.

Poland, together with the Czech Republic, Canada, the USA, Great Britain, Sweden, Ireland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia decided to boycott the event. In response, the authorities of the boxing federation proposed that all boxers from these countries be allowed to compete, regardless of the decisions of the national associations. They even promise to cover the costs.

Russian boxers have already performed under their flag in the recent World Boxing Tour Golden Belt Series tournament in Marrakech. As you can see, Moroccans don't mind Russian crimes against Ukrainians either. And here it is worth listening to what political scientists, such as Michał Lubina from the Jagiellonian University, say: "China managed to present this war in pro-Western countries as an intra-European conflict, a local proxy war of the West with Russia. This is how the Third World, i.e. the global south, thinks about it. who is indifferent to this war. He dislikes Americans more than he sees who is the aggressor and who is the victim."

We don't have a lever. The Chinese comrades will gladly replace us

It's brutal but true. If we look at the activities of the Olympic movement in this way, they are completely legible. Countries that are not Westerners are outraged by the moral blackmail that the Americans and their allies are exerting on them. Especially since we, as the West, have no leverage. European companies cannot say to the IOC: we will not pay you a broken euro if you do not respect our values. Olympic officials will just shrug: it's okay, you pay us almost nothing anyway. Chinese comrades will gladly replace you.

Western politicians should open their eyes. This is not naivety, but a calculated act. Anyway, let's look further. Not only at the IOC. Take the International Football Federation (FIFA). It is also where the influence of autocratic regimes is growing, which shows at every turn: the West no longer rules. The whole of European football depends on the money that flows to it from China and Arab states for television rights and sponsorship. For Asian fans, matches in England, Italy or Spain are scheduled for early afternoon hours on weekends. Due to fans from that region of the world, the Champions League final was moved from Wednesday to Saturday. The most influential man in European football is the Qatari Nasser Al-Khelaifi: not only the president of PSG, but also the CEO of beIN Media Group, as well as the head of the Association of European Clubs. The most sponsors of the European Championships are from China. Saudi Arabia even sponsored the Women's World Cup, much to the outrage of all human rights activists.

 

The World Cup in Qatar was a breakthrough: now we can do it all

The World Cup in Qatar became a breakthrough. Not only did they succeed, but they also turned out to be a great success. In addition, despite the fact that the hosts on many issues - such as allowing the sale of beer with percentages or rainbow bands - stood their ground against the protests of public opinion in the West. Indignation at each other, and fans delighted with the World Cup itself. FIFA boss Gianni Infantino can say to his colleagues what Bolo in "Football Poker" said to the Laguna referee: Now we can do it all, the biggest numbers in the world.

The Qatari people, whose emir had a friendly talk with Putin even before the start of the World Cup, did not wait long. They have already treated the workers brought from abroad to service the World Cup out of hand. Saudi Arabia won the Club World Cup. Another World Cup in the Persian Gulf, built by low-paid workers who are exploited beyond their means, seems a foregone conclusion. The Saudis want to organize it together with Egypt and Greece in 2030.

 

If the West wants the sporting world to continue to respect its ideals, it must have a new FIFA and a new IOC. In the old ones it will mean less and less. In Asia, they believe that the future center of the world lies there, and they will use every opportunity to show how little Europe and the United States matter anymore.

I will repeat again. The participation of Russians and Belarusians in the Games in Paris is no naivety, no pro-Russian sympathies, it is simply an opportunity to say: the West no longer has power.

 

Agree with this.  All international organisations - sporting, political & scientific - are corrupt in the same way & for the same reasons. A small number of countries put money in. A large number of countries take money out. In between, a bureaucracy decides who gets what. In those circumstances, the bureaucrats become Kings.

[LDOG 2,418]

1 hour ago, rafalgorka said:

https://www.sport.pl/sport/7,65025,29470890,dopuszczenie-rosjan-do-igrzysk-to-nie-naiwnosc-to-mierzony.html#s=SNO_Img_1

 

an interesting text imo

 

Here is Google Translate:

 

Allowing Russians to participate in the Games is not naive. It's a measured punch with deep purpose
  Michal Kiedrowski 16.02.2023 13:35
When I hear Kamil Bortniczuk say: "The International Olympic Committee sins with naivety", I am sure that the Minister of Sport does not really understand what is at stake at all – comments Michał Kiedrowski from Sport.pl.

Kamil Bortniczuk talked about naivety in the context of the idea of allowing athletes from Russia and Belarus to participate in the Games under a neutral Olympic flag. And here, of course, I agree with the Minister of Sport that this is fiction. The neutral flag under which Russian athletes performed during the Winter Games in Beijing did not bother Russian President Vladimir Putin. He applauded his compatriots from the stands, and also used the athletes for propaganda during a rally at the Luzhniki stadium in Moscow. This event was one big manifesto of support for aggression against Ukraine.

But I do not agree with the suggestion that the IOC and President Thomas Bach were unaware of this. If someone has already climbed such a function in the Olympic movement, he must know this world and its rules from the inside out. And if I had to choose the qualities most useful for this, it would be: cynicism and hypocrisy, not naivety.
The global south does not look who is the aggressor and who is the victim

I think that both for Bach and for the vast majority of IOC members there is no doubt that it is impossible to reconcile the participation of Russians in the Games with the message of peace. But that's not the point. It is not even about Russia itself, but about showing who is in charge here, or rather, strictly speaking, that the West is no longer in charge. It is not Bach himself who is behind the admission of the Russians to the Games, but the entire coalition of countries - one can guess - with China at the forefront. After all, it was from Asia that the initiative for the Russians to take part in the Asian qualifications for the Games came from. It is in India that the World Women's Boxing Championships will be held in March, during which Russian women will perform both under their flag and with their anthem. It will be the same at the World Boxing Championships in Tashkent in May. All because the boxing federation is ruled by Umar Kremlin - Putin's trusted man.

Poland, together with the Czech Republic, Canada, the USA, Great Britain, Sweden, Ireland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia decided to boycott the event. In response, the authorities of the boxing federation proposed that all boxers from these countries be allowed to compete, regardless of the decisions of the national associations. They even promise to cover the costs.

Russian boxers have already performed under their flag in the recent World Boxing Tour Golden Belt Series tournament in Marrakech. As you can see, Moroccans don't mind Russian crimes against Ukrainians either. And here it is worth listening to what political scientists, such as Michał Lubina from the Jagiellonian University, say: "China managed to present this war in pro-Western countries as an intra-European conflict, a local proxy war of the West with Russia. This is how the Third World, i.e. the global south, thinks about it. who is indifferent to this war. He dislikes Americans more than he sees who is the aggressor and who is the victim."

We don't have a lever. The Chinese comrades will gladly replace us

It's brutal but true. If we look at the activities of the Olympic movement in this way, they are completely legible. Countries that are not Westerners are outraged by the moral blackmail that the Americans and their allies are exerting on them. Especially since we, as the West, have no leverage. European companies cannot say to the IOC: we will not pay you a broken euro if you do not respect our values. Olympic officials will just shrug: it's okay, you pay us almost nothing anyway. Chinese comrades will gladly replace you.

Western politicians should open their eyes. This is not naivety, but a calculated act. Anyway, let's look further. Not only at the IOC. Take the International Football Federation (FIFA). It is also where the influence of autocratic regimes is growing, which shows at every turn: the West no longer rules. The whole of European football depends on the money that flows to it from China and Arab states for television rights and sponsorship. For Asian fans, matches in England, Italy or Spain are scheduled for early afternoon hours on weekends. Due to fans from that region of the world, the Champions League final was moved from Wednesday to Saturday. The most influential man in European football is the Qatari Nasser Al-Khelaifi: not only the president of PSG, but also the CEO of beIN Media Group, as well as the head of the Association of European Clubs. The most sponsors of the European Championships are from China. Saudi Arabia even sponsored the Women's World Cup, much to the outrage of all human rights activists.

 

The World Cup in Qatar was a breakthrough: now we can do it all

The World Cup in Qatar became a breakthrough. Not only did they succeed, but they also turned out to be a great success. In addition, despite the fact that the hosts on many issues - such as allowing the sale of beer with percentages or rainbow bands - stood their ground against the protests of public opinion in the West. Indignation at each other, and fans delighted with the World Cup itself. FIFA boss Gianni Infantino can say to his colleagues what Bolo in "Football Poker" said to the Laguna referee: Now we can do it all, the biggest numbers in the world.

The Qatari people, whose emir had a friendly talk with Putin even before the start of the World Cup, did not wait long. They have already treated the workers brought from abroad to service the World Cup out of hand. Saudi Arabia won the Club World Cup. Another World Cup in the Persian Gulf, built by low-paid workers who are exploited beyond their means, seems a foregone conclusion. The Saudis want to organize it together with Egypt and Greece in 2030.

 

If the West wants the sporting world to continue to respect its ideals, it must have a new FIFA and a new IOC. In the old ones it will mean less and less. In Asia, they believe that the future center of the world lies there, and they will use every opportunity to show how little Europe and the United States matter anymore.

I will repeat again. The participation of Russians and Belarusians in the Games in Paris is no naivety, no pro-Russian sympathies, it is simply an opportunity to say: the West no longer has power.

 

So, the proposed solution is a new IOC with only "western" countries? lol

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1 minute ago, LDOG said:

So, the proposed solution is a new IOC with only "western" countries? lol

That's not my own idea. I have just copied/pasted article written and published by sb else. I don't see I agree with that 100%. I only say it's interesting.

 

I wouldn't like to see anything like "a new IOC".

 

I just think there is no good solution to the current "BLRUS at Paris" situation.

 

Do I have a solution myself? Not really.

 

Should they be in Paris??? I will answer Obama-style:

 

This issue is well "above my pay grade".

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But if we have even bigger war around the corner,  I don't care if there is one IOC, two IOCes or twenty-one IOCes. That would be just irrelevant.

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Edited February 16, 2023 by rafalgorka

[Monzanator 4,507]

Much ado anbout nothing so far. I'll be amazed if anyone actually boycotts Paris 2024 but it's long away enough that a lot of countries think they can bluff IOC with a weak hand. Watch that tactics ho nowhere the closer we get to 2024. NBC didn't pay billions of dollars for TV rights to have no US athletes involved either