Fencing FIE World Cup 2022 - 2023

[Vektor 3,326]

2 hours ago, phelps said:

AFAIK Poznan and Tauber have already been cancelled.

I wonder what will happen with the European Championships. They can't do anything about it, it's part of the European Games and it will be Poland. There's no way that Poland will allow Russians there and it would look awful if they take fencing out of the European Games just because FIE wants Russians to be part of this sport. 

 

And the most important of it all: what does Italy think? Because they are hosting the World Championships. Russians will have an incredibly hard time to qualify to Paris if they can't attend the WCh. And it would obviously be an enormous scandal if Milan cancels the WCh. 

 

And there are also two more WC events in Europe this season, in  and . 

 

FIE can't possibly move the entire fencing calendar out of Europe. 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Vektor

[Olympian1010 8,274]

This is why I don’t understand the push to include Russians and Belarusians as neutrals. I mean, I understand the moral argument behind it, but from a business and public relations stand point, I really don’t get it. There were not NOCs lining up to cancel and boycott events when those athletes were banned, even the nations viewed as more sympathetic to those athletes were not really making it a front page issue. It may not have been an ideal status quo, but it was a tenable business/operations/public relations environment.
 

Now, fencing, and depending on IOC decisions this week, maybe the rest of international sport, have been thrown right back into uncertainty and politically fraught environments. It just seems detrimental to the global image and business opportunities of international sport.

[Vektor 3,326]

8 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

This is why I don’t understand the push to include Russians and Belarusians as neutrals. I mean, I understand the moral argument behind it, but from a business and public relations stand point, I really don’t get it. There were not NOCs lining up to cancel and boycott events when those athletes were banned, even the nations viewed as more sympathetic to those athletes were not really making it a front page issue. It may not have been an ideal status quo, but it was a tenable business/operations/public relations environment.
 

Now, fencing, and depending on IOC decisions this week, maybe the rest of international sport, have been thrown right back into uncertainty and politically fraught environments. It just seems detrimental to the global image and business opportunities of international sport.

The push comes from Russian money. Nobody is bribing them to ban Russians, but they sure get a lot of money if they cancel the ban. Fencing is a small sport where Russians have a ton of influence as they are one of the three top European nations besides Italy and France. I am sure certain people in FIE got their bribes. It's very important for Russia to have their athletes at the Games, they know it very well that it would be a big win for them on the international stage as it would be a sign that the world doesn't care enough about the war or Ukraine to sever ties with Russia and its people for a longer period of time.

[Vektor 3,326]

World Cup + Grand Prix medal table after 58 events

 

 15-17-17

 10-6-21

 9-2-5

 6-5-7

 5-5-6

 3-2-10

 2-3-1

 2-1-4

 2-0-1

 2-0-0

 1-1-2

 1-0-0

 0-2-4

 0-2-3

 0-2-2

 0-2-1

 0-1-1

 0-1-1

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-0-2

 0-0-2

 0-0-1

 0-0-1

 0-0-1

 

 

Individual events medal table

 

 10-9-14

 7-1-3

 4-1-6

 3-6-17

 2-3-1

 2-1-5

 2-1-4

 2-0-0

 2-0-0

 1-1-2

 0-2-3

 0-2-2

 0-1-3

 0-1-2

 0-1-1

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-0-2

 0-0-1

 0-0-1

 0-0-1

 0-0-1

 

 

Team events medal table

 

 7-0-4

 5-8-3

 5-4-3

 2-4-1

 2-1-2

 1-1-5

 1-0-0

 0-1-1

 0-1-1

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-1-0

 0-0-1

 0-0-1

 0-0-1

 

[Vektor 3,326]

Team event WR points ranking before the start of the Olympics qualification. Currently only  and  has 6/6 Olympic spots. And obviously a lot will change if certain "neutral" teams will appear as they would very likely take 6 team spots.

 

 

 

	Sum	ME	WE	MF	WF	MS	WS
	2088	344	340	400	448	268	288
	1934	412	336	273	324	223	366
	1865	260	424	203	200	448	330
	1580	153	253	380	344	238	212
	1487	262	141	328	292	208	256
	1464	276	190	159	167	376	296
	1157	201	230	157	228	191	150
	1137	148	169	147	218	255	200
	1041	182	211	155	169	174	149
	1009	119	239	202	201	74	174
	1006	116	123	163	240	196	168
	954	161	90	112	201	163	227
	936	146	170	230	112	206	72
	858	70	215	215	133	138	87
	575	58	68	165	121	83	80
	511	0	116	8	123	164	100
	464	36	62	124	94	68	80
	460	250	202	0	0	8	0
	451	32	64	88	149	56	62
	431	83	50	120	156	22	0
	429	218	70	32	25	40	44
	425	198	157	62	8	0	0
	382	142	0	0	0	92	148
	366	122	36	34	38	108	29
	359	32	40	52	52	48	135
	...
	250	8	16	0	0	210	16
	245	24	0	0	0	0	221

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by Vektor

[phelps 8,404]

Men's Team Epee ( Buenos Aires)

 

Gold:  Hungary

Silver:  Venezuela

Bronze:  Czechia

 

Semifinals

Hungary b. Czechia 35-28

Venezuela b. Kazakhstan 45-37

 

Bronze Medal Match

Czechia b. Kazakhstan 45-33

 

Gold Medal Match

Hungary b. Venezuela 32-26

 

Full Ranking & Results

https://engarde-service.com/index.php?lang=en&Organisme=federacion_argentina_de_esgrima&Event=tiem2023&Compe=equipos

[phelps 8,404]

11 hours ago, Vektor said:

I wonder what will happen with the European Championships. They can't do anything about it, it's part of the European Games and it will be Poland. There's no way that Poland will allow Russians there and it would look awful if they take fencing out of the European Games just because FIE wants Russians to be part of this sport. 

 

And the most important of it all: what does Italy think? Because they are hosting the World Championships. Russians will have an incredibly hard time to qualify to Paris if they can't attend the WCh. And it would obviously be an enormous scandal if Milan cancels the WCh. 

 

And there are also two more WC events in Europe this season, in  and . 

 

FIE can't possibly move the entire fencing calendar out of Europe. 

I'm almost sure that the World Champs will never be cancelled.

 

I still have no idea on what the Italian Government will do with  &  instead.

 

will they be allowed to enter our Territory?

 

my guess is that this decision is not even in the hands of our Government, but the US's (we are just a colony for them, there's no need to hide that almost every important decision on foreign affairs is taken under the advice -order- of the US and solely in their interest).

 

however, if I have to bet my 2 cents, I think that in the end  &  will participate to the World Champs, if the IOC will not ban them officially at any level.

[Vektor 3,326]

I guess the World Cup event in Poznan is still happening.

 

We will see which Russians fencers are willing to "betray their country" to compete.

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Vektor

[Vektor 3,326]

On the other hand the Epee World Cup in France is cancelled: 

 

[Monzanator 4,828]

Russian Fencing Federation confirmed they will NOT send any athletes for the Poznań World Cup.

 

https://www.polsatsport.pl/wiadomosc/2023-04-02/rosjanki-nie-wystartuja-w-zawodach-w-polsce-federacja-mowi-o-warunkach-nie-do-zaakceptowania/