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The result in women's keirin might be the most absurd at the whole games. 3 nobodies noone ever heard of winning the medals. Overall Germany threw away more safe gold medals than even the biggest hater would have predicted.

Disgusting performance by the German team so far, hopefully they will lose all funding. A bit surprising that Russian isn’t winning anything, given that other classic doping countries (Hungary, China) seem to have profited a lot from the pandemic.

Absolutely disgusting performance by the German women in keirin. I thought that gold and silver was a given, but now they are beaten by complete no-names.

1) Yes, but which german athletes (who were remotely elite) were involved? 2) I am not sure if you can win a medal in decathlon/heptathlon without doping. I think that all performances of Kaul are achievable without doping, but i am not sure if it is possible to recover quickly enough without doping to do it all within just 2 days. The other event where it might be possible to win a medal without doping is pole vault. Especially in mid and long distance running it is impossible to medal without doping, considering that a gazillion african people see running as their only chance to earn a decent living and have no problem with doping + their countries don't even try to prevent them from doping. Add in their genetic advantage and it is almost retarded to think that you can beat the most talented of those doped athletes without doping yourself.

Please name the recent doping scandals in Germany (involving german athletes). There isn't any well organized doping system in Germany, this is nonsense. You really think that a country with 1/5th the population of Germany (Netherlands) would be better than Germany in pure doping sports like cycling/rowing/speed skating/track events in athletics if there would be organized doping in Germany (especially with the fact in mind that Germany easily would have the know-how, thanks to the GDR, to outdope pretty much everyone else)? Germany has clearly less doping than almost all the other top nations (except maybe Japan and South Korea) and it is more difficult to dope in Germany that almost anywhere else. Also i forgot Australia on the list, considering their performances in rowing and swimming. Thanks to the GDR history, athletes/coaches who dope would face much more hate than athletes/coaches in pretty much any other country, since those countries don't have the same history. This means that athletes/coaches in most other countries have less fear of doping (since the consequences when getting caught would be less severe). You can also see in other areas that Germany learnt from its history and in some sense overcorrected. After WW2 Germany wasn't allowed to have an army and still today Germany is far less "ready" to enter a war (than countries like France/GB/USA). You can also see that many former GDR doping coaches went abroad, for example british rowing was lead by a former GDR coach until recently and some german coaches went to China (rowing/athletics). Also doesn't make sense to treat Kaul and Warner the same. 1) Kaul has been the best in the world since U18 level, Warner on the other hand improved by 300 points as a 31 year old during the pandemic. 2) Kaul isn't close to world class in any discipline, while Warner is world class in the long jump and close to it in the 100 m and the hurdles.

I never said that the germans don't dope. Vetter, Pudenz and Krause are the most suspicious german athletes. I wouldn't bet anything on them being clean. The difference is that there is no doping system in Germany, it is individual athletes/coaches doping, unlike in other countries (GB, Netherlands, Russia, USA, Kenya, China, Ethiopia, Uganada).

And rowing ... and athletics ... basically all endurance (doping) events.

Yes, them winning 2 golds in athletics instead of zero medals of any color (as expected) wasn't insane luck at all.

Interesting that those two nations didn't win a medal in the same event.

Frerichs winning a medal is absolutely disgusting. I guess Houlihan at home will be happy about this.

Very sad for Kaul, would have been a safe medal. Now i hope that Damian Dopener won't medal, but sadly that seems unrealistic.

The sad thing is that you actually think that you have a point ... not realizing that Baehre's height here (5.70 m) was still better than what Karalis showed at the U23 european championships (5.65 m). Even if Baehre would have only jumped 5.30 m here, those are two different competitions and the whole point was that Baehre jumped higher than 5.65 m pretty much the whole season and therefore very likely would have jumped higher than 5.65 m at the U23 european championships.

Crazy that Mu was allowed to compete but not the other intersex athletes.

Told you so ... first medal and probably multiple more to come.

Experts will, so speak for yourself please.

"Women's" 200 m and "women's" 800 m were two of the dirtiest races ever, especially Thompson, Thomas and the two brits. Women's hammer throw was far weaker than expected (thanks to the americans flopping) and men's pole vault was pretty depressing without Kendricks. Katir looked very good in the 5000 m, would be too funny if he would actually win gold. Also a great start for Poland, maybe they can indeed get to 6 medals in total (only 4 out of Nowicki/Fajdek/Dobek/women's 4x400 m relay/Andrej... need to deliver).

Mixed gender urban style?

Really surprised to see Germany winning 3 medals, more than at the previous 4 olympics combined. I fear that this means that they will get more funding.

I think you will be proven wrong tonight (assuming that women’s 800 m/pole vault is tonight). There will also be chances in women’s 1500 m, women’s heptathlon, women’s relays, men’s 4x100 m relay and maybe some other events too. I think GB will win at least 3 medals.

Didn’t the athletes who finished behind him also deserve it? And if not, how can you judge whether they deserved it or not?

No, impossible by definition. No hurdles/steeplechase race can ever qualify (considering that mostly people who aren’t good enough to medal in the flat races compete in those disciplines).

No (considering that Benjamin was that close).

Shooting was easily the most diappointing sport for Germany in Tokyo. They should have won 1-2 medals. Hopefully they will improve until Paris.

No, i wouldn't and obvious trying to argue like that is just plain stupid. How about you stick to the things that were actually said when you try to lead a discussion? I was obviously 100 % right in the point i made (not wanting an olympic final to be decided by injuries), disagreeing is just plain stupid.

Does he even speak your language?