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"Double-the-points" will be distributed as follow:
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Women's Tournament
Knockout Stage
February 10th - February 16th, 20244 Nations, the 2 winning Nations will qualify for the Final. The 2 losing nations wil play the Third-Place Match.Semifinals
Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 14th 2023, h. 16:00 United States 1 Spain
February 14th 2023, h. 17:30 Hungary
1 Greece
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February 11th - February 17th, 20248 Nations, the 4 winning Nations will qualify for the Semifinals.Quarterfinals
Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 13th 2023, h. 16:00 Spain 5* Montenegro
February 13th 2023, h. 17:30 Greece
1 Italy
February 13th 2023, h. 19:00 Serbia 1 Croatia
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Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 12th 2023, h. 16:00 United States 6 Australia
February 12th 2023, h. 17:30 Spain
8 Canada
February 12th 2023, h. 19:00 Hungary 1 Netherlands
February 12th 2023, h. 20:30 Italy 2 Greece
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"Double-the-points" will be distributed as follow:
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Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 11th 2023, h. 12:00 Croatia 5 China
February 11th 2023, h. 16:00 Australia
5* France
February 11th 2023, h. 17:30 Montenegro 1 Romania
February 11th 2023, h. 19:00 United States 3 Italy
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February 10th - February 16th, 20248 Nations, the 4 winning Nations will qualify for the Quarterfinals.Playoffs
Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 10th 2023, h. 12:00 Netherlands 20 China
February 10th 2023, h. 16:00 Kazakhstan
17 Greece
February 10th 2023, h. 17:30 Australia 13 Great Britain
February 10th 2023, h. 19:00 New Zealand 9 Canada
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Event & Date Athletes Gold Silver Bronze Mixed Relay
Day 1
February 7th
2024
Austria
Czechia
Finland
France
x Germany
Italy
Norway
x* Slovenia
Sweden
x Switzerland
Ukraine
United States
Any Other Nation
Women's Sprint
Day 2
February 9th
2024
Justine Braisaz-Bouchet
x Lou Jeanmonnot
Julia Simon
Franziska Preuss
Any Other German Athlete
Lisa Vittozzi
x Karoline Knotten
Ingrid Tandrevold
x Any Other Norwegian Athlete
Anamarija Lampic
Elvira Oeberg
Any Other Swedish Athlete
Lena Haecki Gross
Any Other Athlete
Men's Sprint
Day 3
Febrary 10th
2024
Quentin Fillon Maillet
Emilien Jacquelin
Any Other French Athlete
Benedikt Doll
x Johannes Kuehn
Philipp Nawrath
Tomasso Giacomel
Johannes Thingnes Boe
x Tarjei Boe
x Johannes Dale-Skjevdal
Sturla Holm Laegreid
Any Other Norwegian Athlete
Martin Ponsilouma
Sebastian Samuelsson
Any Other Athlete
Women's Pursuit
Day 4
Febrary 11th
2024
Justine Braisaz-Bouchet
x Lou Jeanmonnot
Julia Simon
x Franziska Preuss
x Vanessa Voigt
Lisa Vittozzi
Juni Arnekleiv
Karoline Knotten
Ingrid Tandrevold
Elvira Oeberg
Hanna Oeberg
Any Other Swedish Athlete
Lena Haecki Gross
Any Other Athlete
Men's Pursuit
Day 4
Febrary 11th
2024
Quentin Fillon Maillet
Emilien Jacquelin
Any Other French Athlete
Philipp Nawrath
Any Other German Athlete
Tommaso Giacomel
Johannes Thingnes Boe
x* Tarjei Boe
x Johannes Dale-Skjevdal
x Sturla Holm Laegreid
Any Other Norwegian Athlete
Martin Ponsilouma
Sebastian Samuelsson
Any Other Athlete
Women's Individual
Day 5
Febrary 13th
2024
Lisa Theresa Hauser
Justine Braisaz-Bouchet
Lou Jeanmonnot
Julia Simon
Janina Hettich-Walz
Franziska Preuss
Vanessa Voigt
Lisa Vittozzi
x Dorothea Wierer
Juni Arnekleiv
Karoline Knotten
Ingrid Tandrevold
Elvira Oeberg
Hanna Oeber
x Lena Haecki Gross
x Any Other Athlete
Men's Individual
Day 6
Febrary 14th
2024
Quentin Fillon Maillet
Emilien Jacquelin
Any Other French Athlete
Johannes Kuehn
Roman Rees
Justus Strelow
Tommaso Giacomel
Johannes Thingnes Boe
x* Tarjei Boe
Johannes Dale-Skjevdal
Any Other Norwegian Athlete
x Martin Ponsilouma
Sebastian Samuelsson
x Sebastian Stalder
Any Other Athlete
Single Mixed Relay
Day 7
February 15th
2024
Austria
Czechia
Finland
France
x Germany
Italy
Norway
x Slovenia
Sweden
x Switzerland
Ukraine
United States
Any Other Nation
Women's Relay
Day 8
February 17th
2024
Austria
Czechia
Finland
France
x Germany
Italy
x Norway
Poland
Slovenia
Sweden
x* Switzerland
Ukraine
Any Other Nation
Men's Relay
Day 8
February 17th
2024
Austria
Czechia
Finland
France
x Germany
Italy
Norway
x* Slovenia
Sweden
x Switzerland
Ukraine
Any Other Nation
Women's Mass Start
Day 9
February 18th
2024
Justine Braisaz-Bouchet
Lou Jeanmonnot
Julia Simon
x Franziska Preuss
Vanessa Voigt
Lisa Vittozzi
Juni Arnekleiv
Karoline Knotten
Ingrid Tandrevold
x Elvira Oeberg
Hanna Oeberg
x Lena Haecki Gross
Any Other Athlete
Men's Mass Start
Day 9
February 18th
2024
Quentin Fillon Maillet
Emilien Jacquelin
Any Other French Athlete
Johannes Kuehn
Justus Strelow
Any Other German Athlete
Any Italian Athlete
Johannes Thingnes Boe
x Tarjei Boe
x Johannes Dale-Skjevdal
Any Other Norwegian Athlete
x Martin Ponsilouma
Sebastian Samuelsson
Sebastian Stalder
Any Other Athlete
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Just posting a slight update on my qualification projections from a few weeks ago before diving qualification starts as the hockey teams were kinding throwing the numbers of the probabilistic approach off. 139 would have been the 22nd largest team in Tokyo and with basically no Russia it might not be that unrealistic that our team size for Paris could be in the top 20.
My projection Probabalistic E(q) Floor Ceiling 139 138.7 127.75 147.15 -
*"Double-the-points" distributed as follow:
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Women's Tournament
Group Stage
February 4th - February 8th, 202416 Nations, 4 Groups, the 1st-placed Nation from each Group will qualify for the Quarterfinals. The 2nd-and 3rd-placed Nations from each Group will qualify for the Playoffs.Group A
Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 4th 2023, h. 09:00 Kazakhstan 5 Brazil
February 4th 2023, h. 10:30 United States
2 Netherlands
February 6th 2023, h. 19:00 Netherlands 25 Kazakhstan
February 6th 2023, h. 20:30 Brazil 18 United States
February 8th 2023, h. 16:00 Brazil 18 Netherlands
February 8th 2023, h. 17:30 United States 25 Kazakhstan
Group B
Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 4th 2023, h. 12:00 China 10 Spain
February 4th 2023, h. 13:30 Greece
7 France
February 6th 2023, h. 09:00 France 3 China
February 6th 2023, h. 10:30 Spain 1 Greece
February 8th 2023, h. 19:00 Spain 9 France
February 8th 2023, h. 20:30 Greece 8 China
Group C
Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 4th 2023, h. 16:00 Australia 30 Singapore
February 4th 2023, h. 17:30 Hungary
16 New Zealand
February 6th 2023, h. 12:00 New Zealand 17 Australia
February 6th 2023, h. 13:30 Singapore 28 Hungary
February 8th 2023, h. 09:00 Singapore 20 New Zealand
February 8th 2023, h. 10:30 Hungary 1 Australia
Group D
Top 3
Place
1st 2nd 3rd Nation USA
Netherlands Spain Men's Tournament
Group Stage
February 5th - February 9th, 202416 Nations, 4 Groups, the 1st-placed Nation from each Group will qualify for the Quarterfinals. The 2nd-and 3rd-placed Nations from each Group will qualify for the Playoffs.Group A
Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 5th 2023, h. 09:00 Croatia 4* Australia
February 5th 2023, h. 10:30 South Africa 27 Spain
February 7th 2023, h. 19:00 Spain 3* Croatia
February 7th 2023, h. 20:30 Australia 18 South Africa
February 9th 2023, h. 16:00 Australia 8 Spain
February 9th 2023, h. 17:30 South Africa 24 Croatia
Group B
Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 5th 2023, h. 12:00 China 11 Greece
February 5th 2023, h. 13:30 Brazil
8 France
February 7th 2023, h. 09:00 France 8 China
February 7th 2023, h. 10:30 Greece 11 Brazil
February 9th 2023, h. 19:00 Greece 3* France
February 9th 2023, h. 20:30 Brazil 1 China
Group C
Date & Time (GMT +3) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 February 5th 2023, h. 16:00 Japan 7 Serbia
February 5th 2023, h. 17:30 Montenegro
1 United States
February 7th 2023, h. 12:00 United States 2 Japan
February 7th 2023, h. 13:30 Serbia 3 Montenegro
February 9th 2023, h. 09:00 Serbia 5* United States
February 9th 2023, h. 10:30 Montenegro 6 Japan
Group D
Top 3
Place
1st 2nd 3rd Nation Spain
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14 hours ago, Prakash_k said:
Anyone have idea about boxing seeding at olympic?
I spent a while going down a rabbit hole of trying to figure this out a couple of months ago and I think my conclusion was that they just haven't announced it either way yet although that may have since changed.
They haven't seeded any of the qualification tournaments so maybe they just don't although that would gaurantee some very strange medals. My guess is they probably do include seeds and just end up seeding the European/ Asian and American champions along with either the African or Oceanian champion but I don't really have anything to base that on.
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Well there is good news and bad news. Rest of the squad is as expected.
Grainne Walsh has to win an Olympic medal now. You can't get picked ahead of two world champions including the one who beat both of the world finalists last year and not medal.
I have to say I'm dissapointed. I feel great about Broadhurst's or O'Rourke's medal hopes and not very good about Walsh's. I do hope I'm proven wrong.
I hate that to an extent I will root against her but I was semi relieved when Dean Walsh lost during European games and I suspect I will find myself in the same frame of mind with Grainne Walsh.
An interesting note with this squad is apart from the Tokyo Olympians. We haven't picked anyone who won a European or World championships medal in 2022. (Sweeney, Fryers, Broadhurst, O'Rourke, Desmond, Dossen, Eagleson).
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1 hour ago, dodge said:
Our most likely chance in gymnastics is unfortunately injury to those individuals who qualified at the world champs. They’re personal, not national, quotas and would be reallocated
Bro, Get your hopes up for the world cup series qualifiers. There are a couple like pommel and rings where the standard required to qualify will be ridiculously high but some of them are definitely attainable. Like I wouldn't pick us to get any of them but we will be in the shake up. Also on review I think Russia won't be allowed at Europeans so that all-around quota is not quite as but still mostly out of the question. There are five or so gymnasts between Halle Hilton and a reallocated quota. It's not impossible if some of them qualify through other means but Hilton getting an actually quota herself is much more likely than picking up a reallocated one.
We seem to be looking at different badminton rankings but I'll believe you and yeah I probably should have put Rachael Darragh down as a safe qualifier.
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Right,I feel like it is an apt time (well it was last week but this took a while) to revisit this thread as at this point we should be able to relatively accurately project the remaining Irish qualifiers. This was a much trickier exercise than I thought it would be. I guess a lot of the could go either way qualifiers are still in play plus some of the more ambiguous qualification systems haven’t come to their conclusion yet.
Safe qualifiers (S) (>90%), Likely qualifiers (L) (>65%), 50-50 (F) (35-65%) , Still in with a chance (C) (5-35%), Very unlikely but still possible (V) (<5%). I also just went through and put who I actually think will qualify. To simplify things an athlete’s potential relay quota is only included in the relay’s qualification likelihood and not the individuals, Also not counting injury risk in my probabilities unless a given athlete is particularly injury prone or currently injured. I’ll try to keep my thoughts fairly brief. (Update I failed)
Athletics- Men’s Sprint/ hurdles- Israel Olatunde (F) (q), Mark Smyth (L) (q), Marcus Lawler (V), Robert McDonnell (F) (L if he was ever not injured), Chris O’Donnell (L) (q), Thomas Barr (S) (q), Fintan Dewhirst (V), Jack Raftery (V), Cillín Greene (V), Calum Baird (V).
Israel Olatunde probably needs to pb to be in with a chance of qualifying in addition to running five races faster than he did last year but in reality only needs to replicate his indoor form from last year outdoors. It will be interesting to see how much he focuses on indoor world championships or if he puts all his eggs in the Olympics basket. Mark Smyth just needs to continue to improve from last year, Somewhat similar to Israel in terms of his indoor form last year never translating to an equivalent time outdoors. McDonnell should qualify if he just has an injury free season but that would his first. O’Donnell (45.00) and Barr (48.70) both should get close to running qualifying times but should qualify regardless.
Men’s middle distance- Mark English (S) (q), John Fitzsimons (L) (q), Cian McPhillips (F), Conor Murphy (C), Mark Milner (V) (Only 3 can qualify). Luke McCann (L) (q), Nick Griggs (F) (q), Cathal Doyle (C- Only 2 plus Andrew Coscoran).
English and Fitzsimons have been recent major champs regulars so that shouldn’t change. McPhillips should be in with a great chance of qualifying barring injury trouble. Luke McCann and Nick Griggs both could run the qualifying time (3:33.5) but are likely rankings qualifiers regardless although given recent 1500m times there may not be many rankings quotas on offer. Cathal Doyle is actually in a qualifying position currently ahead of McCann but is probably unlikely to stay there.
Men’s Long distance- Darragh McElhenney (F) (q), Cormac Dalton (V), Barry Keane (V), Efrem Gidey (C), Peter Lynch (V), Stephen Scullion (L) (q), Ryan Creech (C), Ryan Forsyth (V), Hiko Haso (F), Darragh Kenny (L) (q), Brendan Boyce (V), Oisin Lane (V).
Darragh McElhenney is another one of the many young improving athletes who may or may not qualify on this list. I reckon he will make it though. Efrem Gidey also fits into that category but would need a significant bounce back season to make it. Stephen Scullion seems like our most likely marathon qualifier after running 2:11:51 at the Dublin marathon. That is 3:40 off the qualifying time (2:08:10) but after taking significant time off after Tokyo I think he is on pace to either run it or get close enough to get a rankings spot. Hiko Haso was on pace to run the qualifying time in Valencia for most of the race before fading towards the end. 65 of the marathon qualifiers will be decided in February (right?) but only 3 I think of them will be rankings quota so shouldn’t effect things too much. Darragh Kenny is very likely to qualify in the 20k race walk. Brendan Boyce I think is focused on the mixed relay.
Men’s field events- Eric Favors (S) (q), Reece Ademola (L) (q), Sean Mockler (V).
Shot put isn’t very deep so Eric Favors should qualify comfortably. Reece Ademola is one of a few athletes who ended last year very strongly and so starts in the year in a decent ranking position albeit currently outside a quota spot. He is definitely good enough to qualify. (It’s kind of sad that potentially qualifying 2 men’s field event athletes would be a massive improvement for us.)
Women’s sprint- Molly Scott (C), Gina Akpe Moses (C), Lauren Roy (V), Lucy May Sleeman (V), Sharlene Mawdsley (S)(q), Sophie Becker (F), Roisin Harrison (C), Phil Healy (F)(q), Cliodhna Manning (V), Kelly McGrory (V).
Molly Scott is back after becoming a barrister but would need a career season to qualify. I’ll be honest, I hadn’t realised Gina Akpe-Moses was racing at all last year but she was running 11.50 by the end of the year so maybe still has a shot at an Olympic appearance. Sharlene Mawdsley is in a very strong position to qualify. I’d be somewhat surprised if none of Sophie Becker, Roisin Harrison or Phil Healy qualified in the 400. It will be interesting to see if Phil Healy can resurrect a career that has fallen apart a bit over the last couple of years when in theory she should be hitting her peak. Also I do wonder if the 200 is her best event and her recent focus on the 400 for relays purposes has hurt her individual career.
Women’s middle distance- Louise Shanahan (S)(q), Jenna Bromell (V), Geogie Hartigan (V).
Shanahan is very likely to qualify, is a pb away from running the entry standard. 3 already qualified in the 1500 so this is a short list as a result.
Women’s Long distance- Roisin Flanagan (C), Eilish Flanagan (C) Ide Nic Domhnaill (V), Michelle Finn (F), Ava O’Connor (V), Kate Veale (V), Anne Marie McGlynn (V), Aoife Cooke (V).
Eilish Flanagan obviously is already an Olympian but it is tough to see her qualifying this time around. Roisin Flanagan would need a significant pb to make it in the 5000 or the 10000. Michele Finn making her third Olympics would be some achievement and is currently in a rankings spot. Narrowly missed out for world championships last year so it is possible that happens again. It currently looks like Fionnuala McCormack will likely be alone in the marathon field which would be the first time since 2008 that we didn’t qualify multiple athletes for that race.
Women’s field events- Sommer Lecky (V), Ava Rochford (V), Ellie McCartney (V), Elizabeth Ndudi (F), Ruby Millet (V), Nicola Tuthill (C), Kate O’Connor (S)(q).
Sommer Lecky and Ava Rochford would both need to start jumping 10cm higher at least to put themselves in contention to qualify. Ellie McCartney is also 20cm away from contention in the Pole Vault. Obviously none of them are likely to make that big a leap (pun intended) but they might be more realistic than some of the athletes I have included here. If Elisabeth Ndudi can replicate and improve slightly on her 6.56 pb from the end of last year, she could easily qualify. She is still very young though. Tuthill is currently in a quota spot but it will be tough to keep it. Development ark for hammer throwers tends to be a slower so having recently turned 20, Paris is probably too soon. Kate O’Connor ended up being very close to not qualifying for worlds last year but hopefully one good heptathlon off the back of worlds should see her comfortably qualify this time around. She might already be safe but one good performance would probably secure it.
Relays- Mix 4*400 (S)(q), Men’s 4*400 (F) (O’Donnell, Baird, McDonnell/Greene, Raftery), Women’s 4*400 (L)(q) (Becker, Mawdsley, Healy/Harrison, Adeleke), Men’s 4*100 (V) (Smyth?, Akinola, Swinner, Olatunde) Women’s 4*100 (C) (Sleeman, Lavin, Scott, Akpe-Moses). Mixed race walk (Boyce + Veale) (L) (2q).
Right so these will be decided almost in their entirety at world relays in May. Deciding these all at the same time makes qualifying the mixed and the Men’s/ Women’s 4*400 a bit tricky. Then again every country is in the same boat and honestly our 400m depth is really good so this may end up helping us. There are 2 world rankings quotas per relay which the W4*400 and the Mixed 4*400 could get but obviously depends on what other countries opt to do. Obviously we may decide to just focus on the mixed 4*400 or maybe even trust the M4*400 to qualify enough that we ignore the mixed event (There is a medal available for some country behind Netherlands and the USA now that Fiordaliza Cofil was found to have high testosterone and knocked out the Dominican challenge in the process. It could maybe be us). Qualifying the mixed and Women’s 4*400 would raise a number of selection headaches particularly regarding Adeleke but sure we can cross that bridge if we come to it. I would assume we would put out 4*100 squads and there are maybe the makings of decent times in both squads. The women somehow managed to qualify for 2022 worlds so maybe they can repeat the feat. (The big brain move might be to use Adeleke to help qualify the 4*100 with no intention of using her at the Olympics in the event). The world racing walking team championships will decide 13 of the 16 mixed relay (4*10km with 2 athletes) quotas with 3 additional rankings spots. We are currently 7th in the rankings and it is only 1 qualifier per country so unless I am missing something, I think we will qualify here.
Badminton- Nhat Nguyen (S) (q), Rachael Darragh (L) (q), Men’s Double (2C).
Nguyen could probably miss the rest of the qualifying window and still qualify. Rachael Darragh I believe has a 10 spot buffer in the rankings at the moment but does still have work to do to secure her spot. The men’s double is currently ranked 58th in the world with Brazil and Mexico sitting between us and the current 16th qualifier the USA in 51st. It’s roughly a 2000 point gap which I think is closable but I’m not sure. If they make it, it will be by the skin of their teeth.
Boxing- Women’s- Daina Moorehouse- W50kg (S)(q), Jennifer Lehane (Niamh Fay)- W54kg (L) (q), Amy Broadhurst (Lisa O’Rourke, Grainne Walsh)- W66kg (S) (q).
I have Daina Moorehouse fourth of the remaining unqualified boxers and kind of think she is more likely to beat those ahead of her than lose to someone behind her so I feel very comfortable about her chances. There are about 10 or so bantamweight boxers all of a relatively equal standard left in the draw so Lehane’s task is a bit tougher but still fairly doable. A lot of these weight have one or two nightmare draws left in the qualifying tournaments. At 66kg we are the nightmare draw whether it is Amy Broadhurst or Lisa O’Rourke. I have no idea which we will select but I don’t think it should be Grainne Walsh. Her Olympic medal chances just aren’t good enough compared to the other two.
Men’s- Sean Mari- M51kg (V) , Jude Gallagher (Dylan Eagleson)- M57kg (F) (q), Dean Walsh (Aidan Walsh, Eugene McKeever)- M71kg (F), Kelyn Cassidy (Gabriel Dossen?)- M80kg (L) (q), Martin McDonagh- M92+kg (V)
Sean Mari would need the performance of his life and a favourable draw just to be in with a chance of qualifying. I have Jude Gallagher projected as the last qualifier at featherweight so it is possible the draw decides whether or not he makes it. It will be interesting if he doesn’t make it at the first one if we would then pick Eagleson. I have no clue what 71kg ends up looking like. Aidan Walsh did a podcast in December with Cavan gaa which seemed to suggest (along with his absence at national champs) that he had stepped away from the high performance setup for mental health reasons but apparently he is back in the squad (if he ever actually left that is). Dean Walsh I have talked about before but he falls into the could qualify for the Olympics but is realistically unlikely to category. Eugene McKeever’s inclusion in the training squad is interesting as first of all I thought Jon McConnell was ahead of him in the pecking order and secondly probably not a great sign for a. the coaching staff’s confidence in Dean Walsh or b. Aidan Walsh definitely being available. Kelyn Cassidy is in theory our most secure male remaining qualifier but has been inconsistent at times in the past and I do have some concern about his ability to go through the rounds as he would likely need four wins to make the Olympics especially given his propensity to get on referees nerves for whatever reason. Gabriel Dossen was surprisingly not included in the training squad. The reason for that is unclear but I would be shocked if it was performance related. (Turning pro?, Injured?, Caught selling weed again?). I think Martin McDonagh has impressed enough to get a shot so I would expect to see him get selected for the qualifiers. Expecting him to qualify is probably optimistic although superheavy is a pretty shallow division.
Strandja is the first week of February before the first qualifier in the first week of March. It will be interesting whether we send the entire squad to Strandja or rest the ones who will picked for the qualifiers. An extension of this is whether we select (perhaps have already selected) the squad before Strandja or in particular at W66kg and M71kg do we wait for Strandja’s results and pick the team afterwards.
Canoe sprint- C2 (Jennifer Egan, Éabha Ni Drisceoil) (V).
Europeans are in May, It would be a massive shock if they managed to qualify.
Cycling BMX- Ryan Henderson (V).
Cycling Mountain Biking- Chris Dawson (V).
If only downhill mountain biking was the Olympic discipline.
Cycling Track - Women’s team pursuit (4S) (Gillespie, Griffin, Sharpe, Murphy, (Creighton)).
Should have done this before Europeans but position looks even safer now. I think should get a madison spot if we did inexplicably fall out of a quota position.
Diving- Clare Cryan (L) (q), Jake Passmore (F) (q), Ciara McGing (C).
Don’t have much analysis to add here. Clare Cryan just needs to replicate last year’s worlds performance this time and she will be safely qualified, Jake Passmore and Ciara McGing both need significant improvements but especially in Passmore’s case that are well within them. It would be disappointing if we don’t get two qualifiers here albeit it is still possible we get none.
Equestrian- Dressage- Anna Merveldt (S).
See Oldira's post below
Field Hockey- Men (16C), Women (16C).
The next big qualifier on the list. Both teams in similar situations where they are underdogs but absolutely capable of qualifying. If either team makes it we will set a significant new record qualified athletes total otherwise it will be close in terms of beating the total we got in Tokyo. It would be a bit of a momentum killer for Irish hockey if both teams fall short but that is the most likely scenario.
Golf- Rory McIlroy (S), Shane Lowry (S), Leona Maguire (S), Stephanie Meadow (S).
Seamus Power’s form fading as last year went on has really any intrigue out of this from a qualifying perspective. The one thing I would mention is Olivia Mehaffey who is our third ranked woman I think wouldn’t currently be in a qualifying position in the event of an injury, just something to keep an eye on just in case.
Gymnastics- Women’s- Emma Slevin (C), Halle Hilton (C).
So in terms of what is still available there are 2 apparatus (can compete all-around at Olympics) per apparatus at the world cup series (best 3 results of 4, top 16 score points although the big points are for podiums) and then one all-around quota at Europeans that is, well gone if the Russians decide they want it. So I spent a while trying to figure this out (Helpful table below). I think Halle Hilton’s most likely route is floor which at least last year seemed to be the easiest event to get a quota from. Beam and vault are also possible but less likely. Vault is likely Emma Slevin’s most likely path to a quota spot but if last years results are replicated it would be very difficult to secure a quota. (Last thing is I’m not entirely sure whether one country can qualify multiple athletes through the world cups provided they remain under 3 total qualifiers or if there is only one quota per gender per country available. If it is the latter which I think it is, it might help our chances ever so slightly).
Men’s- Eamon Montgomery (C), Adam Steele (V), Dominick Cunningham (C).
So Eamon Montgomery would have qualified on floor if it was based off last years world cup series rankings but obviously the degree of difficulty will increase this time around with the Olympics on the line. Realistically he needs to make 3 finals and then score high 13s/14s to put himself in with a chance. At his peak he has shown himself to be capable of that but hasn’t done it consistently. Rhys McClenaghan’s floor plans also come into this. He won trials last November and so has earned the right to compete on floor at the world cups but we are restricted to two entries per event so it would mean neither Dominick Cunnigham or Adam Steele could try to qualify on floor. Vault is likely their best chance and Dom’s scores don’t leave him too far away. If he consistently scores in the 14s which he is capable of he won’t be too far away. Adam competed on pommel at last year’s world cups but there is zero chance he can get a quota there. His best chance is probably to hope the Russians don’t show up at Europeans and then try to nail all-around there but that is very unlikely to yield a quota spot. There were 5/6 athletes who would have qualified ahead of him if it was last year’s Europeans.
Score required to make final
Vault
Bars
Beam
Floor
Men's Floor
Men's Vault
Cottbus
12.55
12.7
12.833
13
13.933
14.166
Doha
12.599
12.4
12.9
12.233
13.466
14.099
Baku
12.599
12.933
12.733
12.4
13.633
14.183
Cairo
12.583
12.5
12.233
12.2
13.4
13.933
Would be qualifiers last year
3rd (41 points)
8th (25 points)
6th (30 points)
12th (21.5 points)
5th (32 points)
4th (53 points)
Judo- Rachael Hawkes (C)?, Joshua Green (V).
Rachael Hawkes has slipped significantly in the rankings down to 54th in the W70kg. She would need to move up about 20 places to put herself in with a chance but she was in that range midway through last year. Josh Green is ranked similarly in 53rd in the M73kg but would need to get all the way into the top 25 to have a shot. I don’t think we are getting a judo quota.
Modern Pentathlon- Sive Brassil (V)
Would need a massive improvement in 2024 to put herself in contention
Rowing- Women- Women’s four (S) (4q), Women’s single (V)
The four should be a selection battle between last years four (Natalie Long, Sanita Puspure, Imogen Magner, Eimear Lambe) plus the injured Emily Hegarty and always the odd woman out Tara Hanlon (Plus possibly Aisling Hayes/ Holly Davis). I reckon it will end up being (Magner, Puspure, Lambe, Hegarty) although it is possible that Lambe forces her way into the pair. Anyway this boat should qualify. Denmark will also be strong but Canada will likely the boat we need to beat and it is their secondary boat behind their eight. The scenarios where we try to qualify a single are Siobhan McCrohan can’t force her way into the lightweight double and gets a shot here instead, Sanita decides to end her career where she spent most of it or junior world silver medallist Holly Davis is way ahead of schedule. Unfortunately I can’t see a scenario where we try to qualify a quad. An eight might just be doable if the pair doubled up but I don’t think we would consider it.
Men- Men’s quad (F) (4q), Men’s four (C), Men’s single (V).
A few months removed from a disappointing world champs for the quad (Konan Pazzaia, Ronan Byrne, Andrew Sheahan, Brian Colsh) and the four (Adam Murphy, Fionnan McQuillan Tolan, Jack Dorney, John Kearney), I feel better about both boats chances. I’m not sure we got the combination right for worlds in the quad but I do think there is a fast quad in this squad that is not only good enough to qualify but can be competitive at the Olympics. I do wonder if Brian Colsh will force his way into the double over Daire Lynch although the Philip Doyle, Colsh double was possible in 2022 and they went with Colsh in the single and Pazzaia in the double so they may have already decided Doyle and Colsh aren’t a good combination. Then again I think of all the potential changes to the already qualified combinations (and given how much Maurogiovanni has liked to tinker over the past couple of years there will be one or two) this is the most obvious. The four had a miserable worlds but is certainly capable of rapid improvement given the age profile and pedigree of the athletes in the boat. I do wonder if we would sacrifice the four in favour of just focusing on a quad and potentially moving Kearney or Dorney into that boat. I do hope we don’t operate with stringent sweep and sculling squads this year because allowing movement between the four and the quad could optimise both. The only scenario where we utilise a single is if we give up on the four or the quad.
Finally as a bold prediction for the year, I think we might out of choice race a new combination together at the Olympics. We have done it relatively successfully at two consecutive worlds so why not the Olympics.
(This is the short version, Originally I wrote 1500 words on rowing)
Shooting- Aoife Gormally (C)?, Jack Fairclough (V), Derek Burnett (V).
This is the qualification system I understand the least. There are I think 4 potential quota spots still available to us in trap (Gormally and Burnett) and skeet (Fairclough). 1 at Europeans, 2 at a final qualification event and 1 via rankings. Aoife Gormally is the only one who seems remotely likely to get a rankings spot but likely won’t.
Swimming- Women- Danielle Hill (L) (q), Victoria Catterson (V), Maria Godden (V), Grace Davison (V), Erin Riordan (V), Niamh Coyne (V), Ellie McCartney (V).
So it is still quite unclear how many athletes will qualify via consideration times (OCT) but my quick (not very thorough) calculations suggest not very many (2/3 per event maybe). So I think to qualify individually a swimmer will need to either hit the qualifying time or get very close to it. I’m not sure why Danielle Hill isn’t at worlds but I would be fairly confident she can swim a qualifying time in the 100 back at Irish champs. I wouldn’t completely rule out Catterson or Godden but they both seem very unlikely. Davison and Riordan’s qualification likely depends on the freestyle relay qualifying.
Men- Tom Fannon (F) (q), Calum Bain (V), Shane Ryan (F), Darragh Greene (C), Eoin Corby (V), Conor Ferguson (F), Max McCusker (V), Evan Bailey (V) John Shortt (F) (q), Nathan Wiffen (L) (q).
The picture on the men’s side of things is quite murky. Tom Fannon showed he was capable of swimming the 50m OQT but has to do it again. (Unless we change our selection policy, which we 100% definitely have never done in the past). Calum Bain isn’t that far behind him. Shane Ryan needs to get back in pb shape to qualify but you wouldn’t put it passed him. Darragh Greene also needs pb shape but is probably less likely to get back to it than Shane. Safer selection for the relay though. Conor Ferguson was unfortunate not to swim an OCT in the 100 back but probably needs to take a couple of tenths off his pb to qualify. I do like his chances though. It should be noted that we can only get 1 OCT qualifier per event so Ryan and Ferguson couldn’t both make it in the 100 back unless they both get the OQT. I think John Shortt will qualify. A 1.1 second pb to the OQT for a 16 year old in year feels very doable. Nathan Wiffen is slightly hindered by not being selected for worlds but if his short course form is anything to go on it would surprising if he didn’t get either of the 800 or 1500m OQTs.
Relays- Men’s medley (2q) (L) (WCs Ferguson, Greene, McCusker, Ryan), Women’s medley (q) (S) (Hill, Mcsharry, Walshe, Catterson), Womens 4*100 freestyle (F) (McSharry, Hill, Riordan (Davison), Catterson).
The women’s medley relay should be safe and means that Hill and Catterson should qualify regardless of their individual fortunes although not being able to improve on the time at this years worlds will lead to a nervous watch this year. The women’s freestyle 4*100 is obviously in a very precarious position in 15th but it is possible that there will only be 18 or so entries this time around as well. We can improve our time too so it is a bit of a wait and see. I do wonder if we would use both quotas if we do qualify ie Riordan and Davison or use Hill and only use one of the additional relay quotas. The men’s medley is more up in the air. Obviously we are currently 13th and would be pretty hopeful of swimming a faster time at this worlds although I think our attitude going in needs to be that we need a faster time to qualify. Then if we do qualify then we need two individual quotas (although the qualification document mentions scope for potentially a third one being granted). I somewhat doubt that 2 of the relay we put out last year will qualify although I hope we can get there. However if I am right that Tom Fannon and John Shortt both qualify then the relay picks would very likely be Greene and McCusker in that scenario.
Taekwondo- Jack Woolley (S) (q), Leroy Nsilu Dilandu (V).
It’s annoying that Jack narrowly missed out on a rankings quota but he will be the massive favourite at the European qualifiers. It would be a major shock if Dilandu got close to qualifying.
Triathlon- Russell White (C) (135 in the rankings) James Edgar (V) Erin McConnell (V).
Russell White has made it up to 135th in the rankings off the back of a series of races towards the end of last year. 85th is currently the last quota spot so it certainly is still possible he could make his second Olympics. Edgar and McConnell are very unlikely to qualify.
Weightlifting- Thammy Nguyen (C), Sean Browne (V)
Thammy Nguyen it appears would need a 17kg pb to qualify. That seems unlikely to me but I have no idea how the weightlifting quotas will end up looking so it possible she is actually much closer than that. Sean Browne would need an even bigger pb.
Very unlikely qualifers In with a chance Fifty-fifty Likely qualifers Safe qualifiers My picks Already qualifed Total Athletics 31 14 12 9 7 20 8 28 Badminton 0 2 0 1 1 2 0 2 Boxing 2 0 2 2 2 5 5 10 Canoe- slalom 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 Canoe- sprint 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Cycling- BMX 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Cycling- Mountain Biking 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Cycling- Road 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 Cycling- Track 0 0 0 0 4 4 0 4 Diving 0 1 1 1 0 2 0 2 Equestrian 0 0 0 0 1 1 6 6 Field Hockey 0 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 Golf 0 0 0 0 4 4 0 4 Gymnastics artistic 1 4 0 0 0 0 1 1 Judo 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 Modern Pentathlon 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Rowing 2 4 4 0 4 8 12 20 Rugby Sevens 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 24 Sailing 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 4 Shooting 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 Swimming 10 1 6 3 2 7 3 10 Taekwondo 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 Triathlon 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weightlifting 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 58 62 25 16 26 54 69 123 My projection Probabalistic E(q) Floor Ceiling 123 129.1 113.35 139.15 So there are lots of flaws with the probabilistic approach including some double counting and also for example a hockey team for example can either qualify 16 or 0 and can never actually qualify the 6 or so hockey qualifiers that that approach projects. Ceiling and Floor are both just me shifting the probabilities up or down for the different categories. I would take them with a grain of salt but I just thought it was an interesting thing to do.
Anyway 120 qualifers feels pretty secure although a bad athletics summer is probably the most likely cause if we do fall short of that. A similar exercise that I did last March projected 118 qualifers so seemingly we are at worst on track for the qualifiers that have been decided so far. The one negative is in terms of spread of sports qualified in we look likely to be significantly behind Tokyo.
I am fully prepared for a disastrous couple of early season events in rowing/ boxing/ swimming to change this but right now I must say I am very optimistic with where we are both from a qualification and medal perspective.
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1. Denmark
2. Johannes Thingnes Boe
3. Kaori Sakamoto
4. Rory McIlroy (Surely he will win another major this year - Me for the 10th year in a row)
5. Canada
6. Spain (I actually think England but I can't bring myself to predict it)
7. USA
8. USA
9. Iga Swiatek
10. Atlanta Braves
11. Carlos Alcaraz
12. Max Verstappen
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On 1/3/2024 at 5:29 PM, rafalgorka said:
This is awfully lot of quota for POL in W boxing (5). Well, I would love it if it works like that but I seriously doubt it.
I agree, Poland is unlikely to actually get 6 qualifiers from the 2 qualifying tournaments and the likes of Rok and Durkacz fell just on the right side of the quota line and aren't necessarily that likely to qualify. To be honest I suspect most countries where these rankings have them qualifying 5/6 more boxers will fall short of that number in reality.
On 1/3/2024 at 8:01 PM, Gagaska93 said:In Polish national team I think that the biggest chance has Damian Durkacz as you wrote. But in my opinion Mateusz Bereźnicki (92 kg) is underrated, he is polish numeber 2 IMO.
It would be great if 5 POL W qualify, but I agree with rafalgorka that it would be hard. But I am sure about Wójcik and Rygielska. Szeremeta is a big talent and I also think she can make it.
I agree that Wojcik and Rygielska should be safe bets to qualify. Most of the best 57kg women have already qualifed and it isn't a particularly deep weight so I do like Szeremeta's chances even if she is only narrowly inside the quota line. Also as I mentioned at the start W54kg was an absolute nightmare to rank and there really isn't much at all between the top 18 or so at one point I had Drabik in the top 10 so certainly not a gauranteed qualifier but I'd feel pretty good about her chances too.
Look Bereznicki is a talented boxer and can absolutely beat the boxers just ahead of them in the rankings. I do think he is a tier below the likes of Nanitzanian, Okafor and Kartsan so for me it is tough to see him qualifying but absolutely he has a case to be in the top 25/26. I am just a little bit lower on him.
23 hours ago, Topicmaster1010 said:Do you mind if I use these rankings for my quota simulation? The current version is based on the IBA rankings but as you said, I found it incredibly unreliable.
Absolutely, work away.
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50 minutes ago, Josh said:
@Ogreman where would Sara Kali be in the women’s 66kg rankings? She actually won the Canadian Boxing Trials for the first World Qualifier, although if she can’t book her ticket there, Cavanaugh will have another chance in a head-to-head battle for a spot at the second World Qualifier.
I did actually see this result, It was just an error that she wasn't listed at the bottom of the rankings. I put her 29th but obviously beating Cavanagh merits putting her higher but at the same time her historic results aren't very good.
16 minutes ago, Illya said:Here are some insights from Ukrainian squads (not confirmed yet, but 70% possible according to the Trials-National Champs):
Thanks, Wasn't aware of any of that.
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Finally I wanted to do a similar thing the country ranking above but for continents. Last time I brought like this up on this site I managed to start a very circular and aimless debate about the merit of continental quotas so to be clear this is much more about comparing Europe, Asia and the Americas than the merit of Oceania's quotas. Also the continental quotas were assigned based off performances in Tokyo where Russia won six medals so while Asia matches Europe in some of the men's weights points wise. It doesn't necessarily mean the quota allocations were wrong.
Continental Breakdown [Ranking points (Number of boxers)] Africa Americas Asia Europe Oceania W50kg 7 (1) 25 (2) 97 (8) 81 (9) 0 (0) W54kg 0 (0) 10 (2) 112 (9) 88 (9) 0 (0) W57kg 3 (1) 36 (4) 77 (6) 94 (9) 0 (0) W60kg 4 (1) 45 (4) 72 (6) 89 (9) 0 (0) W66kg 30 (2) 58 (6) 45 (4) 77 (8) 0 (0) W75kg 14 (2) 55 (4) 43 (4) 82 (9) 16 (1) Women's Continental Quotas 11 16 20 22 6 Projected Qualifing Tournaments Quotas 1 7 14 22 0 Women's Total 58 (7) 229 (22) 446 (37) 511 (53) 16 (1) M51kg 8 (1) 34 (3) 95 (8) 73 (8) 0 (0) M57kg 0 (0) 61 (4) 82 (8) 67 (8) 0 (0) M63.5kg 0 (0) 62 (7) 65 (4) 72 (8) 11 (1) M71kg 0 (0) 48 (5) 67 (5) 95 (10) 0 (0) M80kg 0 (0) 51 (4) 81 (6) 78 (10) 0 (0) M92kg 0 (0) 73 (6) 34 (4) 100 (9) 3 (1) M92+kg 5 (2) 44 (4) 49 (4) 101 (9) 11 (1) Men's Continental Quotas 7 14 14 22 7 Projected Qualifing Tournaments Quotas 0 17 17 22 0 Men's total 13 (3) 373 (33) 473 (39) 586 (62) 25 (3) Continental Quotas 18 30 34 44 13 Projected Qualifing Tournaments Quotas 1 24 31 44 0 Total 71 (10) 602 (55) 919 (76) 1097 (115) 41 (4) ▪ Ranking points system used here is a linear ranking of the top 20 (20, 19, ..... , 2, 1) in each weightclass.
▪ Rankings cells show: Cumalative ranking points (Number of boxers in top 20)
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Country Total Ranking points Women's ranking points (Ranking) Men's rankings points (Ranking) Boxers (W,M) Projected Qualifiers (Qualified) Realistic qualification ceiling Projected Olympic medallists Olympic Medal ceiling 1 Uzbekistan 623 131 (19) 492 (1) 13 (6,7) 8 (4) 10 6 8 2 Kazakhstan 593 219 (10) 374 (2) 13 (6,7) 9 (2) 11 5 6 3 Ireland 583 355 (2) 228 (10) 12 (6,6) 10 (5) 11 5 6 4 USA 540 172 (14) 368 (3) 13 (6,7) 11 (5) 13 3 5 5 China 516 357 (1) 159 (21) 13 (6,7) 9 (7) 10 5 6 6 France 505 245 (5) 260 (6) 13 (6,7) 8 (7) 11 2 6 7 Brazil 504 228 (9) 276 (5) 13 (6,7) 11 (9) 11 2 6 8 Colombia 471 234 (6) 237 (8) 13 (6,7) 9 (3) 10 1 4 9 Great Britain 465 231 (8) 234 (9) 13 (6,7) 7 (3) 11 0 4 10 India 448 267 (3) 181 (18) 13 (6,7) 6 (4) 9 2 6 11 Turkey 436 256 (4) 180 (20) 13 (6,7) 8 (6) 8 2 4 12 Thailand 419 233 (7) 186 (16) 11 (6,5) 7 (4) 9 2 4 13 Italy 400 213 (12) 187 (15) 13 (6,7) 6 (4) 8 2 3 14 Ukraine 384 140 (18) 244 (7) 13 (6,7) 4 (1) 10 2 3 15 Bulgaria 358 155 (17) 203 (14) 10 (4,6) 4 (3) 8 2 4 16 Cuba 313 11 (68) 302 (4) 10 (3,7) 5 (3) 7 1 3 17 Spain 302 86 (27) 216 (13) 10 (3,7) 6 (2) 7 0 1 18 Chinese Taipei 280 219 (10) 61 (40) 8 (4,4) 6 (4) 7 2 2 19 Armenia 266 85 (28) 181 (18) 13 (6,7) 4 (0) 7 0 2 20 Germany 263 79 (33) 184 (17) 12 (5,7) 3 (0) 9 1 1 21 Mongolia 254 131 (19) 123 (27) 13 (6,7) 4 (2) 6 1 1 21 Poland 254 174 (13) 80 (35) 13 (6,7) 6 (0) 7 0 0 23 Azerbaijan 250 29 (55) 221 (12) 12 (5,7) 3 (2) 6 0 1 24 Canada 247 170 (15) 77 (36) 13 (6,7) 3 (2) 6 1 1 25 Australia 245 119 (24) 126 (25) 13 (6,7) 12 (12) 12 0 1 26 Philippines 243 90 (26) 153 (22) 10 (4,6) 3 (1) 5 0 3 27 Georgia 230 7 (77) 223 (11) 8 (1,7) 3 (1) 6 1 2 28 Serbia 225 128 (21) 97 (32) 11 (6,5) 2 (2) 6 0 0 29 Japan 224 106 (25) 118 (28) 10 (5,5) 5 (2) 7 0 2 30 Mexico 208 68 (37) 140 (24) 11 (5,6) 3 (2) 4 1 1 31 North Korea 202 165 (16) 37 (52) 9 (5,4) 2 (2) 3 1 2 32 Algeria 193 120 (23) 73 (37) 12 (5,7) 5 (5) 5 1 1 33 Dominican Republic 189 38 (46) 151 (23) 13 (6,7) 3 (1) 5 0 2 34 Venezuela 184 121 (22) 63 (39) 9 (6,3) 2 (1) 5 0 0 35 Tajikistan 148 34 (52) 114 (30) 12 (5,7) 3 (2) 4 0 1 36 Croatia 143 33 (53) 110 (31) 8 (3,5) 2 (1) 3 0 1 37 Ecuador 140 23 (59) 117 (29) 11 (4,7) 3 (2) 4 0 0 38 Hungary 129 36 (51) 93 (33) 11 (4,7) 2 (2) 5 0 0 39 Jordan 127 3 (90) 124 (26) 8 (2,6) 1 (0) 3 0 0 40 Morocco 123 81 (31) 42 (46) 13 (6,7) 3 (3) 3 0 0 40 Mozambique 123 85 (28) 38 (48) 10 (5,5) 2 (1) 3 0 0 40 Argentina 123 82 (30) 41 (47) 10 (6,4) 1 (0) 4 0 0 43 South Korea 117 80 (32) 37 (52) 13 (6,7) 1 (0) 1 0 0 44 Denmark 113 28 (56) 85 (34) 5 (2,3) 1 (1) 3 1 1 45 Romania 98 70 (35) 28 (62) 6 (3,3) 1 (1) 3 0 1 46 Norway 97 45 (44) 52 (44) 5 (2,3) 1 (0) 3 0 0 47 Sweden 85 70 (35) 15 (83) 4 (3,1) 2 (1) 3 0 0 48 Nigeria 84 55 (41) 29 (60) 9 (6,3) 3 (3) 3 0 0 49 Vietnam 80 71 (34) 9 (97) 8 (5,3) 1 (0) 1 0 1 50 Puerto Rico 79 57 (39) 22 (71) 6 (3,3) 2 (1) 3 0 0 51 Slovakia 76 38 (46) 38 (48) 6 (3,3) 0 (0) 2 0 0 52 Czech Republic 73 55 (41) 18 (79) 12 (6,6) 0 (0) 1 0 0 52 Finland 73 65 (38) 8 (101) 5 (4,1) 1 (0) 2 0 0 54 Zambia 71 13 (67) 58 (42) 8 (4,4) 1 (1) 1 0 0 55 Kyrgyzstan 70 0 (116) 70 (38) 7 (0,7) 0 (0) 1 0 0 56 Panama 68 57 (39) 11 (92) 5 (2,3) 1 (1) 1 0 1 57 DR Congo 67 21 (60) 46 (45) 12 (6,6) 1 (1) 2 0 0 57 Belgium 67 38 (46) 29 (60) 3 (2,1) 2 (2) 2 0 0 57 New Zealand 67 42 (45) 25 (64) 12 (6,6) 0 (0) 0 0 0 60 Egypt 66 9 (73) 57 (43) 11 (4,7) 3 (3) 4 0 0 Country Global Ranking (points) Women's rankings (points) Men's rankings (points) Boxers (W, M) Projected Qualifiers (Qualified) Realistic qualification ceiling Projected medallist Medal ceiling Russia (WC squad) 586 (3) 220 (10) 366 (4) 13 (6,7) 12 13 3 5 Belarus (WC squad) 142 (37) 36 (52) 106 (32) 7 (4,3) 1 3 1 1 ● Ranking system is a scale starting at 77 and then declining at declining intervals down to 6 points for the 40th ranked boxer in each weight class. Beyond the top 40 boxers in a weightclass the points assigned are a function of the total number of boxers in a given weightclass.
● It's a predominantly arbitrary point allocation system.
● Country rankings are a cumalative total of their respective indivual boxers ranking points. Highest possible country score is a 1000.
● Projected qualifiers refers to the number of boxers already qualified per nation plus the boxers that would fill the world qualifying tournament quota places based on my rankings. Naturally, they do not include the nine universality quota places.
● Realistic qualification ceiling is the number of boxers I perceive to be above a given threshold in every weight class below which I think a boxer would need a very lucky draw or favorable judging decisions to be in with a chance of qualifying at the world qualiying tournaments.
● Projected medallists are just the top four in every weightclass although it should be noted that these rankings are an assesment of how I would rank things now and not necessarily a projection for how I see the Olympics playing out.
● Medal ceiling is the total number of boxers who I would consider medal contenders. Medal contenders are roughly the top 8/9 ranked boxers in every weightclass but some weightclasses do differ slightly from that (High of 10, low of 6). Boxers outside this threshold will obviously win some medals at the Olympics given how volatile and unpredictable boxing can be but the vast majority of Olympic medals will be won by boxers inside these thresholds.
So I designed a ranking system outlined in part above to look at which countries had the strongest Olympic squads. This is not an assesment of the best boxing countries just how good they're Olympic squad is. Most of the results line up with what I expected but obviously there are a few strange ones.
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M80kg (Light-Heavyweight) M92kg (Heavyweight) M92+kg (Super-Heavyweight) 1 Oleksandr Khyzhniak (UKR) Aziz Abbes Mouhiidine (ITA) Bakhodir Jalolov (UZB) 2 Turabek Khabibullaev (UZB) Jack Marley (IRL) Kamshybek Kunkabayev (KAZ) 3 Tuohetaerbieke Tanglatihan (CHN) Keno Machado (BRA) Nelvie Tiafack (GER) 4 Arlen Lopez (CUB) Lazizbek Mullojonov (UZB) Joshua Edwards (USA) 5 Eumir Marcial (PHI) Julio Cesar La Cruz (CUB) Delicious Orie (GBR) 6 Nurbek Oralbay (KAZ) Enmanuel Reyes (ESP) Marko Milun (CRO) < 7 Kelyn Cassidy (IRL) Narek Manasyan (ARM) Mahammad Abdullayev (AZE) 8 Wanderley Pereira (BRA) Julio Castillo (ECU) Nikoloz Begadze (GEO) 9 Taylor Bevan (GBR) Loren Alfonso Dominguez (AZE) Abner Teixeira (BRA) > 10 Christian Pinales (DOM) Jamar Talley (USA) Teremoana Teremoana Jnr (AUS) 11 Robby Gonzales (USA) Berat Acar (TUR) Fernando Arzola (CUB) 12 Georgi Kushitashvili (GEO) Marlon Hurtado (COL) Ayoub Ghadfa (ESP) 13 Hussein Iashaish (JOR) Davlat Boltaev (TJK) Danabieke Bayikewuzi (CHN) 14 Gabrijel Veocic (CRO) Sagyndyk Togambay (KAZ) ? Davit Chaloyan (ARM) 15 Murad Allahverdiyev (AZE) Rogelio Romero (MEX) Djamili Aboudou Moindze (FRA) > 16 Weerapon Jongjoho (THA) Lewis Williams (GBR) Christian Salcedo (COL) 17 Mindaugas Gediminas (NOR) Soheb Bouafia (FRA) Yousry Hafez (EGY) 18 Pylyp Akilov (HUN) Ato Plodzicki-Faoagali (SAM) Yordan Hernandez (BUL) 19 Salvatore Cavallaro (ITA) Sanjeet Kumar (IND) Danis Latypov (BHR) 20 Gazimagomed Jalidov (ESP) Vagkan Nanitzanian (GRE) Mourad Kadi (ALG) 21 Andrei Arodoaie (ROU) Alexander Okafor (GER) Omar Shiha (NOR) 22 Kevin Schumann (GER) Arkadii Kartsan (UKR) Dmytro Lovchynski (UKR) > 23 Vladimir Mironchikov (SRB) Toufan Sharifi (IRN) Vladan Babic (SRB) 24 Omurbek Bekzhigit Uulu (KGZ) Han Xuezhen (CHN)> Diego Lenzi (ITA) 25 Jhojan Caicedo (COL) Marko Calic (CRO) Amato Mataika (TGA) 26 Abraham Buonnarigo (ARG) Adrian Paoletti (AUS) Nigel Paul (TTO) < 27 Hambardzum Hakobyan (ARM) Adam Olaitan Olaore (NGR) < Diarga Balde (SEN) 28 Keven Beausejour (CAN) Artyom Yordanyan (GEO) Narendar Berwal (IND) 29 Ahmad Ghossoun (SYR) Mohamed Houmri (ALG) < Gerlon Congo (ECU) 30 Abdelrahman Oraby (EGY) Mateusz Bereznicki (POL) Zacharie Serge Mvogo Amougou (CMR) 31 Mathieu Bauderlique (FRA) Erkin Adylbek Uulu (KGZ) Alexei Zavatin (MDA) 32 Gradus Kraus (NED) ? Yan Zak (ISR) < Keddy Agnes (SEY) 33 Kim Jin-jea (KOR) Albino Julio Gabriel (MOZ) Byeknur Khali (MGL) 34 Gebhard Ipinge (NAM) Gelian Rojku (ALB) Elijah Mercury-Leafa (SAM) 35 Lakshya Chahar (IND) Daniel Guzman (DOM) Stan Bertens (NED) 36 Nikita Nystedt (FIN) Levente Kiss (HUN) Jonas Jazevicius (LTU) 37 Peter Pita Kabeji (COD) Odai Al-Hindawi (JOR) Miguel Veliz (CHI) 38 Callum Peters (AUS) Karamba Kebe (SEN) Partick Mailata (NZL) 39 Ganzorig Dalai (MGL) Jeong Jae-min (KOR) Jerome Feujio (CAN) 40 Kristyan Nikolov (BUL) David Michalek (SVK) Davilson dos Santos Morais (CPV) < 41 Kaan Aykutsun (TUR) Andrews Salgado (CHI) Oomatbek Elchoro Uulu (KGZ) 42 Shabbos Negmatulloev (TJK) Ayoub Maanni (MOR) < Stylianos Roulias (GRE) 43 Michail Tsamalidis (GRE) Malcolm Matthes (NZL) Iman Ramezanpour (IRN) 44 Anauel Ngamissengue (CGO) Peter Alwanga (KEN) < Javier Cruz (MEX) 45 Arjen Iseni (MKD) Andrei Zaplitnii (MDA) Muhammad Abroridinov (TJK) 46 Julio Alamos (CHI) Maroy Sadiki (COD) Ugur Aydemir (TUR) 47 Stiven Aas (EST) Dorjiin Bariakhaan (MGL) Mohamed Firisse (MOR) 48 Mohamed Assaghir (MOR) Johnathan Tetteh (GHA) > Martin Pinc (CZE) 49 Yusuf Changalawe (TAN) Dzemel Bosnjak (BIH) Jure Simunovic (SLO) 50 Seyidshahin Mousavi (IRN) Hazem Nader Kandil (EGY) Radoslaw Kawczak (POL) Imam Khataev (RUS) (2) Muslim Gadzhimagomedov (RUS) (2) Aleksey Dronov (RUS) (4) Aleksei Alfiorau (BEL) (3) Aybek Oralbay (KAZ) (11) Ahmed Hagag (AUT) ?? (15-20) Andrej Csemez (SVK) ?? (21) Uladzislau Smiahlikau (BLR) (17) Martin Mcdonagh (IRL) (28-32) - Roamingrover86 and Josh
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M57kg (Featherweight) M63.5kg (Light-Welterweight) M71kg (Light-Middleweight) 1 Abdumalik Khalokov (UZB) Sofiane Oumiha (FRA) Yurii Zakharieiev (UKR) < 2 Javier Ibanez Diaz (BUL) Chinzorig Baatarsukh (MGL) Aslanbek Shymbergenov (KAZ) < 3 Jahmal Harvey (USA) Ruslan Abdullaev (UZB) Marco Verde (MEX) 4 Makhmud Sabyrkhan (KAZ) Lasha Guruli (GEO) Nikolai Terteryan (DEN) 5 Luiz Oliveira (BRA) Bunjong Sinsiri (THA) Asadkhuja Muydinkhujaev (UZB) 6 Carlo Paalam (PHI) Alexy de la Cruz (DOM) Tugrulhan Erdemir (TUR) 7 Yilmar Gonzalez (COL) Radoslav Rosenov (BUL) Omari Jones (USA) 8 Saidel Horta (CUB) Jose Viafara (COL) Nishant Dev (IND) 9 Artur Bazeyan (ARM) Bakhodur Usmonov (TJK) Vakhid Abbasov (SRB) 10 Rujakron Juntrong (THA) Harry Garside (AUS) Makan Vie Traore (FRA) 11 Jude Gallagher (IRL) Emilio Garcia (USA) Sewon Okazawa (JAP) 12 Jose Quiles (ESP) Dean Clancy (IRL) Zeyad Eashash (JOR) 13 Muhammed Abu Jajeh (JOR) Jesus Cova (VEN) Magomed Schachidov (GER) 14 Umid Rustamov (AZE) Wyatt Sanford (CAN) Wanderson de Oliveira (BRA) 15 Daniyal Shahbaksh (IRN) Lazaro Alvarez (CUB) ? Damian Durkacz (POL) 16 Vasile Ustoroi (BEL) Reese Lynch (GBR) Jorge Cuellar (CUB) 17 Sachin Siwach (IND) ? Viliam Tanko (SVK) Jose Rodriguez (ECU) 18 Artyush Gomstyan (GEO) < Miguel Ramirez (MEX) Sarkhan Aliyev (AZE) < 19 Jaroslaw Iwanow (POL) < Yaroslav Khartysz (UKR) < ? Harris Akbar (GBR) ? 20 Munarbek Seitbek Uulu (KGZ) Malik Hasanov (AZE) Rami Kiwan (BUL) 21 Jose de los Santos (DOM) Gianluigi Malanga (ITA) Bayramdurdy Nurmuhammedov (TKM) 22 Asror Vokhidov (TJK) Jugurtha Ait Bekka (ALG) Steve Kulenguluka Mbiya (COD) 23 Yoel Finol (VEN) Louis Richarno Colin (MRI) Angel Llanos (PUR) 24 Frederick Lundgaard Jensen (DEN) < Richard Kovacs (HUN) Tuguldur Byambatsogt (MGL) > 25 Murat Yildirim (GER) Narek Hovhannisyan (ARM) Eskerkhan Madiev (GEO) 26 Nebil Ibrahim (SWE) Lai Chu-en (TPE) Dean Walsh (IRL) 27 Shudai Harada (JAP) Bilge Kagan Kanli (TUR) ? Tiago Muxanga (MOZ) 28 Roland Veres (HUN) Andrew Chilata (ZAM) Junior Petanqui (CAN) 29 Dolapo Omole (NGR) Yuri Falcao dos Reis (BRA) Alban Beqiri (ALB) 30 Batuhan Ciftci (TUR) Abdelhaq Nadir (MOR) Jhonathan Arboleda (COL) 31 Jean Caicedo (ECU) Jospeh Commey (GHA) Christiann Palacio (VEN) 32 Ping Lyu (CHN) Assan Hansen (GER) Bruno Fernandes de Barros (CPV) 33 Lucas Fernandez (URU) Fiston Mbaya (COD) Youba Sissokho (ESP) 34 Miguel Vega (MEX) Khursand Imankuliyev (TKM) Peerapat Yeasungnoen (THA) 35 Michele Baldassi (ITA) ? Adrian Thiam (ESP) Davron Bozorov (MDA) 36 Jack Dryden (GBR) ? Aleksej Sendrik (SRB) Kan Chia-wei (TPE) 37 Fikremariyam Leta (ETH) Alexandru Paraschiv (MDA) Stephen Zimba (ZAM) 38 Lundaa Gantumur (MGL) ? Yertugen Zeinnullinov (KAZ) ? Merven Clair (MRI) 39 Taras Bondarchuk (UKR) Chol Man Choe (PRK) Wang Peicheng (CHN) 40 Alen Rustemovski (MKD) Shiva Thapa (IND) Shannan Davey (AUS) 41 O Tae Bom (PRK) Arsen Chabyan (AUT) Nuradin Rustambek Uulu (KGZ) 42 Armando Sigauque (MOZ) Bartlomiej Roskowicz (POL) Ryang Jang-thae (PRK) 43 Van Duong Nguyen (VIE) Obada Al Kasbeh (JOR) Omar Elawady (EGY) 44 Soulaimane Samghouli (MOR) Ahmad Shtiwi (ISR) Miroslav Kapuler Ischenko (ISR) 45 Abdul Wahib Omar (GHA) ? Josh Tukamuhebwa (UGA) Marjon Pianar (PHI) 46 Matvejs Prokudins (LAT) Ali Qasim Hamdan Al-Sarray (IRQ) Arena Pakela (LES) 47 Charlie Senior (AUS) Askat Kultaev (KGZ) Nidal Foqahaa (PLE) 48 Riad Labidi (FRA) ? Petr Novak (CZE) Salvatore Cavallaro (ITA) 49 Alain Christian Sangue (CMR) Alseny Sylla (GUI) Hamza Ghazouani (TUN) 50 Samuel Wairimu (KEN) Samuel Contreras (ESA) Albert Mengue Ayissi ((CMR) Mohamed Hussamudin (IND) (12) Erislandy Alvarez (CUB) (3-5) Igro Sviridchenkov (RUS) (14) Eduard Savvin (RUS) (15) Gabil Mamedov (RUS) (10) Aliaksandr Radzionau (BLR) (29) Samuel Kistohurry (FRA) (28) Mukhamedsabyr Bazarbayuly (KAZ) (11) (Manny Pacquaio (PHI)) - Roamingrover86 and Josh
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W66kg (Welterweight) W75kg (Middleweight) M51kg (Flyweight) 1 Busenaz Surmeneli (TUR) Tamarra Thibeault (CAN) Hasanboy Dusmatov (UZB) 2 Amy Broadhurst (IRL) ? Qian Li (CHN) Saken Bibbosinov (KAZ) 3 Imane Khelif (ALG) Lovlina Borgohain (IND) < Billal Bennama (FRA) 4 Yang Liu (CHN) Aoife O'Rourke (IRL) Roscoe Hill (USA) < 5 Morelle McCane (USA) Caitlin Parker (AUS) Tomoya Tsuboi (JAP) 6 Janjaem Suwannepheng (THA) Cindy Ngamba (EOR) (REF) Deepak Bhoria (IND) 7 Rosie Eccles (GBR) Atheyna Bylon (PAN) Samet Gumus (TUR) 8 Charlie Cavanagh (CAN) ? Davina Michel (FRA) Martin Molina (ESP) 9 Alcinda Panguane (MOZ) Elzbieta Wojcik (POL) Thitisan Panmot (THA) 10 Barbara dos Santos (BRA) Citlalli Ortiz (MEX) < Yuberjen Martinez (COL) < 11 Chen Nien-chen (TPE) Naomi Graham (USA) Kiaran McDonald (GBR) 12 Camila Camilo (COL) Busra Isildar (TUR) Federico Serra (ITA) 13 Aneta Rygielska (POL) Khadija El-Mardi (MOR) Patrick Chinyemba (ZAM) > 14 Oshin Derieuw (BEL) < Ani Hovsepyan (ARM) << Po Wei Tu (TPE) 15 Stefanie von Berge (GER) Rady Gamane (MOZ) Alejandro Claro Fiz (CUB) 16 Lucia Noelia Perez (ARG) Sunniva Hofstad (NOR) Aaron Jude Bado (PHI) 17 Stephanie Pineiro (PUR) Valentina Khalzova (KAZ) < Daniel Asenov (BUL) 18 Navbakhor Khamidova (UZB) Kerry Davis (GBR) Attila Bernath (HUN) 19 Emilie Sonvico (FRA) Baison Manikon (THA) Dmytro Zamotayev (UKR) 20 Milena Matovic (SRB) Love Holgersson (SWE) > So Chonryong (PRK) 21 Luca Hamori (HUN) Anastasia Chernokolenko (UKR) Sakhil Alakhverdovi (GEO) 22 Marissa Williamson (AUS) Gabriele Stonkute (LTU) > Jiamao Zhang (CHN) 23 Maria Moronta (DOM) > Melissa Gemini (ITA) Yunior Alcantara Reyes (DOM) 24 Assunta Canfora (ITA) Maryelis Yriza (VEN) Salah Ibrahim (GER) 25 Madeleine Angelsen (NOR) Patricia Mbata (NGR) Ramon Nicanor Quiroga (ARG) 26 Luna Beeloo (NED) Deanne Read (NZL) Rudolf Garboyan (ARM) 27 Arundhati Choudhary (IND) Jessica Triebelova (SVK) Azat Makhmetov (BHR) 28 Ivanusa Gomes Moreira (CPV) > Vivianne Pereira (BRA) Masud Yusifzada (AZE) 29 Oumayma Bel Ahbib (MOR) Irina Schonberger (GER) Sean Mari (IRL) 30 Maria Bova (UKR) ? Eseta Flint (TGA) Ala Eddine Zidi (TUN) 31 Natalya Bogdanova (KAZ) ? Nikolina Gajic (SRB) Luis Delgado (ECU) 32 Beatrise Rozentale (LAT) Monika Langerova (CZE) Michael de Trindade (BRA) 33 Shoira Zulkaynarova (TJK) Elizabeth Andiego (KEN) Unabold Orkhontungalag (MGL) ? 34 Cara Wharerau (NZL) Aziza Zokirova (UZB) Nurzhigit Diushebaev (KGZ) 35 Hwang Hyo-sun (PRK) Timea Nagy (HUN) Jo Se-Hyeong (KOR) 36 Yuliannys Alvarez (VEN) Enkhbaatar Erdenetuya (MGL) Said Mortaji (MOR) 37 Tsetsegdari Myargmarsuren (MGL) Lorena Balbuena (ARG) Omer Ametovic (SRB) > 38 Shahla Allahverdiyeva (AZE) Seong Su-yeon (KOR) Yusuf Chothia (AUS) 39 Austeja Auciute (LTU) Vasiliki Stavridou (GRE) Mohamed Moziane (ALG) 40 Seon Su-jin (KOR) Luisa Vasquez (COL) Keymberth Gonzalez (ECU) 41 Brigitte Mbabi (COD) Aynur Rzayeva (AZE) Theophilus Allotey (GHA) 42 Paraskevi Mavrommati (GRE) Marie-Joelle Mwika (COD) Sinovuyo Mtintelwa (RSA) 43 Mireille Biindzi (CAM) > Molka Ben Mabrouk (TUN) Jakub Slominski (POL) 44 Sona Harutyunyan (ARM) Ingrith Maldonado (ECU) David Karanja Macharia (KEN) 45 Friza Asikoh (KEN) Diem Quynh Luu (VIE) Oscar Castaneda (MEX) 46 Mai Kito (JAP) Yakelin Estornell (CUB) Mohamed Otukile (BOT) 47 Francinah Kasemang (BOT) Milena Jimenez (DOM) David Alaverdian (ISR) 48 Marketa Tojnarova (CZE) Kimberly Gittens (BAR) Abdallah Mohamed Abdallah (TAN) 49 Olawunmi Shodipe (NGR) Saraswati Rana (NEP) Trofimus Johannes (NAM) 50 Sedja Sanogo (CIV) Ornella Sathoud (GHA) Yassine Nordine Issufo (MOZ) > Azalia Amineva (RUS) (10) Anastasia Shamonova (RUS) (14) Vasiliy Egorov (RUS) (7) Aryna Danilchyk (BLR) (42) Alina Veber (BLR) (27) Sara Kali (CAN) (29) - Roamingrover86, Gagaska93 and Josh
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Right so here goes, W54kg was by far the trickiest weight to rank by a mile, lots of good but no great boxers.
Index
- Example : Qualified boxer.
- Example : Projected qualifier at the 2 world qualifying tournements.
- First underline : Number of qualifiers in a given weightclass.
- Second underline :Threshold for realistic qualifiers at the world qualifying tournaments.
- >/< Boxer could/ should be ranked higher (>) or lower (<) than they are.
- ? Boxer may be replaced for the world qualifying tournaments/ may not be their country's best boxer.
- ?? Boxer didn't compete at continental qualifiers for reasons I am unaware of.
- (F)/ (L) - This is just a note that Tugsjargal Nomin-Erdene and Monkhor Namuun seemingly have swapped weightclasses as they both competed in differetn weight classes from where they commpeted at Asian Games at the Koln boxing cup.
- These rankings include every boxer that competed at any of the continental Olympic qualifying tournaments.
- I've listed the Russian and Belarussian world championships squads here under the rankings and an approximate ranking for them. The majority of these boxers as I understand are affiliated with their respective militaries and will not be eligible to qualify for the Olympics.
- I've also added an approximate ranking for boxers who missed their continental qualifiers or are clearly more talented than the boxer that competed for their country at the continental qualifying tournaments and who would be in with a chance of qualifying for the Olympics. This could have been a more extensive list and I would expect lots of countries to tinker with their squads for the world qualifyiers but for simplicity I opted to restrict them to only clear cut cases
W50kg (Flyweight) W54kg (Bantamweight) W57kg (Featherweight) W60kg (Lightweight) 1 Buse Naz Cakiroglu (TUR) Pang Chol-mi (PRK) Lin Yu-ting (TPE) Kellie Harrington (IRL) 2 Nikhat Zareen (IND) Stanimira Petrova (BUL) Irma Testa (ITA) Beatriz Ferreira (BRA) 3 Wu Yu (CHN) Huang Hsiao-wen (TPE) Karina Ibragimova (KAZ) Yang Wenlu (CHN) 4 Chuthamat Raksat (THA) Jutamas Jitpong (THA) Michaela Walsh (IRL) Angie Paola Valdes (COL) 5 Thi Tham Nguyen (VIE) < Yuan Chang (CHN) Svetlana Staneva (BUL) Won Ung-yong (PRK) 6 Ingrit Valencia Victoria (COL)< Charley Sian Taylor Davison (GBR) Nesthy Petecio (PHI) Estelle Mossely (FRA) 7 Giordana Sorrentino (ITA) Nigina Uktamova (UZB) Amina Zidani (FRA) Natalia Shadrina (SRB) 8 Wassila Lkhadiri (FRA) Preeti (IND) Jucielen Romeu (BRA) Shona Whitwell (GBR) 9 Tsukimi Namiki (JAP) Anastasia Kovalchuk (UKR) Parveen Hooda (IND) > Oh Yeonji (KOR) 10 Daina Moorehouse (IRL) > Lacramioara Perijoc (ROU) Jennifer Fernandez (ESP) Rimma Volossenko (KAZ) 11 Caroline de Almeida (BRA) > Hatice Akbas (TUR) Valeria Arboleda (COL) Agnes Alexiusson (SWE) 12 Nazym Kyzaibay (KAZ) Jennifer Lehane (IRL) Omailyn Alcala (VEN) Donjeta Sadiku (KOS) 13 Tetyana Kob (UKR) Zhaina Shekerbekova (KAZ) > Elise Glynn (GBR) Wu Shih-yi (TPE) 14 Roumaysa Boualam (ALG) Yeni Arias (COL) > Monkhor Namuun (MGL) < (L?) Nomin-Erdene Tugsjargal (MGL) (F?) 15 Pihla Kaivo-oja (FIN) < Sirine Charaabi (ITA) Julia Szeremeta (POL) Jajaira Gonzalez (USA) 16 Laura Fuertes (ESP) Sandra Drabik (POL) > Xu Zichun (CHN) Lenka Bernardova (CZE) 17 Yesugen Oyuntsetseg (MGL) > Rinka Kinoshita (JAP) Asleyann Lozada (PUR) Cynthia Ogunsemilore (NGR) 18 Natalia Rok (POL) Johana Gomez (VEN) Khouloud Hlimi (TUN) > Krisandy Rios (VEN) 19 Sabina Bobokulova (UZB) Enkhjargal Mungunsetseg (MGL) Vilma Viitanen (FIN) < Alessia Mesiano (ITA) ? 20 Zlatislava Chukanova (BUL) Sara Cirkovic (SRB) Claudia Nechita (ROU) Elida Kocharyan (ARM) 21 Aldana Florencia Lopez (ARG) Scarlett Delgado (CAN) Melissa Mortensen (DEN) Thananya Somnuek (THA) 22 Monique Suraci (AUS) Bojana Gojkovic (MNE) Marianna Basanets (UKR) Jaismine (IND) 23 Aira Villegas (PHI) Yoseline Perez (USA) ? Mijgona Samadova (TJK) Miroslava Jedinakova (SVK) 24 Nina Radovanovic (SRB) Delphine Mancini (FRA) Asya Ari (GER) Sara Beram (CRO) 25 Maxi Klotzer (GER) Sofia Robles (ARG) Satsuki Yoshizawa (JAP) > Hadjila Khelif (ALG) 26 Demie-Jade Resztan (GBR) > ? Nikolina Cacic (CRO) Marie Al-Ahmadieh (CAN) Ayaka Taguchi (JAP) 27 Yasmine Moutaqui (MOR) Mary Romero (ESP) Alyssa Mendoza (USA) ? Camila Pineiro (URU) 28 Anush Grigoryan (ARM) Ekaterina Sycheva (ARM) Aysen Taskin (TUR) Chelsey Heijnen (NED) 29 Ingrid Gomez (MEX) Widad Bertal (MOR) Paek Jin-hyang (PRK) Gizem Ozer (TUR) 30 Bak Cho-rong (KOR) Tatiana de Jesus (BRA) Sitora Turdibekova (UZB) Raykhona Kodirova (UZB) 31 Jennifer Lozano (USA) Estefani Almanzar (DOM) Tina Rahimi (AUS) Anna Jenni (SWI) 32 Susan Aguas (ECU) Sara Haghighat-Joo (SLE) Olga Papadatou (GRE) (Rizwa Pasuit (PHI)) 33 Tayonis Cedeno (VEN) Antonia Giannakopoulou (GRE) Porntip Buapa (THA) Hanna Okhrei (UKR) 34 Kang Su-hyang (PRK) < Zehra Milli (SWE) Mahsati Hamzayeva (AZE) Tyla McDonald (AUS) 35 Sofie Vinther Rosshaug (DEN) Im Aeji (KOR) Lucie Sedlackova (CZE) Sandra Kruk (POL) 36 Thandolwethu Mathiba (RSA) < Zeynab Rahimova (AZE) Legnis Cala (CUB) Maria Palacios (ECU) 37 Mckenzie Wright (CAN) Irish Magno (PHI) Ana Milisic (SWI) Felistars Nkandu (ZAM) 38 Tasmyn Benny (NZL) Ana khunjua (GEO) Andjela Brankovic (SRB) Esmeralda Falcon (MEX) 39 Rita Soares (POR) Emma Jokiaho (FIN) Marcelat Sakobi (COD) Loredana Marin (ROU) 40 Nicole Durikova (SVK) Thi Ngoc Tran Nguyen (VIE) Daisy Bamberger (PER) Erin Walsh (NZL) 41 Wafa Hafsi (TUN) Mayssen Lambot (BEL) Keamogetse Kenosi (BOT) Ana Starovoitova (LTU) 42 Aylin Jamez (GUA) Hanna Lakotar (HUN) Milagros Herrera (ARG) Nisrine Amine (MOR) 43 Valeria Cardenas (CRC) Claudia Totova (CZE) Joy Ojo Nene (NGR) > Victoria Saputo (ARG) 44 Danisha Mathialagan (SGP) Denisse Bravo (CHI) Jennifer Peters (NZL) Teresa Makinen (FIN) 45 Benedicte Diyoka (COD) Tiana Echegaray (AUS) Chandrakala Thapa (NEP) Islem Ferchichi (TUN) 46 Yuliett Hinestroza (PAN) Iulia Coroli (MDA) Tatevik Khachatryan (ARM) Naomie Yumba (COD) 47 Adeola Oyesiji (NGR) Yomna Ayyad (EGY) Leilany Reyes (GUA) Aslahan Mehmedova (BUL) > 48 Christine Ongare (KEN) > Gloria Fernandez (MEX) Laela El Ksiri (MOR) Lena Buchner (GER) 49 Petra Mezei (HUN) Fatma Abdelkader (ALG) Miguelina Hernandez (DOM) Mariam Sidibe (CIV) > 50 Gracemarie Quiles Marti (PUR) Helen Sanchez (ECU) Jennifer Carillo (MEX) < ? Huswatun Hasanah (INA) Ekatarina Paltseva Kuts (RUS) (15) Karina Tazabekova (RUS) (17) Liudmila Vorontsova (RUS) (8) Nadezhda Golubeva (RUS) (12) Yana Byrum (BLR) (30) Ala Ivashkevich (BLR) (35) - Roamingrover86, Josh and Gagaska93
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So I decided to try and figure out who would be the likely qualifiers at the world qualifying tournaments and well many many hours, lots of procrastinating and a contender for the ugliest excel file ever created later I ended up ranking every boxer who competed at the continental qualifying tournaments and doing well some other stuff too.
Obviously these are just my rankings and well I will fully admit aren't especially accurate even if I did spend a significant amount of time thinking about every position but they should at least be the most accurate boxing rankings out there.
Just quickly in terms of boxing rankings that already exist the IBA have a ranking which is based on points system based on how far you get into their competitions. Even in a normal cycle where everyone was competing in the IBA's competitions they would still be woefully inaccurate because of the way they are calculated. They are also self perpetuating given that these rankings determine seedings which then effect how far into competitions boxers get. Anyway they are completely useless.
Then boxrec has a ranking system which is accurate enough and as I understand based on the quality of your opponents you beat/ lose to. It does fall into weird pitfalls where sometimes it overrates/ underrates one group of boxers and then when they keep beating/ losing to eachother and it gets stuck in a cycle and ends up with some weird rankings as a result. Also if you keep losing to good boxers without fighting bad ones or only beat bad boxers without ever fighting good ones it can end up with weird rankings. Finally while boxrec results database is very good it is still missing a lot of competitions particularly outside of Europe.
And then finally Taylor O'Higgins (worth a follow on twitter) used to do an amateur boxing rankings on the Fight site and he is a boxing coach so obviously knows a lot more about the actual boxing side of things than I would. He has mentioned doing the rankings again a couple of times on twitter but as far as I know hasn't posted them.
So ye hopefully these fill a bit of a hole and help with some of the qualifying/ medal projections on this site where some of the boxing related projections have been a bit hit and miss.
I'll only post the top 50 boxers in each weightclass and the top 60 or so in my country rankings but I have linked an Excel file with the complete rankings of every weight class and ranked every country plus the same stuff but broken down by continental if anyone wants to look at them.
(To be clear this is not the ugly Excel file I referred to earlier)
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Is there not a scale here though, I don't think anyone is advocating for an Olympics where only the best athletes compete regardless of the country/ continenent they represent. But at the same time the Olympics should primarily have the best athletes.
Again to reiterate there has been no issue at recent Olympics with Oceania being represented in boxing. If that automatic continental quota had been reallocated to Asia/ (in the womens weights where 4 qualified in Asia to one of the world qualifying tournaments ) you still would have your global spread and a number of boxers representing Oceania but the overall standard of the tournament would also be higher.
I'm not going to convince you on the three chances thing am I? I just don't like how much a role random chance plays in deciding these quotas. Obviously, there will always be an element of random chance in any qualification system and sport without any chance involved is very boring but like for me at least that number is way too high in boxing.
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Artistic Gymnastics FIG World Cup 2024
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Cairo World cup starts tomorrow. Cottbus is next week.
Cairo Entry list: https://www.gymnastics.sport/asset.php?id=fidb_15319
Somewhat unsurprisingly a massive entry list nearly 300 which is nearly double this world cups typical number of entries. No Russia as expected but Belarus as neutrals and North Korea interestingly are here.
Top 2 eligible gymnasts per apparatus to qualify based on the best 3 of 4 world cup results. Sharing the point allocation system because I found it difficult to find in the past.
Anyone with a more extensive gymnastics knowledge want to try and preview/ predict these qualifiers?