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[Wanderer 1,726]

Again, the doping scandals are going for too long and if they want to ban them "without mixing the politics" then  ban Russia for some time because of the doping. This way it just gonna be a hot mess. 

[Dolby 738]

  On 2/8/2023 at 10:09 PM, Wanderer said:

Again, the doping scandals are going for too long and if they want to ban them "without mixing the politics" then  ban Russia for some time because of the doping. This way it just gonna be a hot mess. 

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But if IOC wants to continue ban on Russia for doping, it should continue to allow "Clean athletes" to compete under IOC flag. And what about Belarus? 

[Olympian1010 8,068]

  On 2/9/2023 at 7:11 AM, Dolby said:

But if IOC wants to continue ban on Russia for doping, it should continue to allow "Clean athletes" to compete under IOC flag.

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Even under a neutral flag their top athletes are still registering positive tests before or during the Olympics. We can’t even award medals in team figure skating because of the quagmire they’ve created. 
 

  On 2/9/2023 at 7:11 AM, Dolby said:

And what about Belarus? 

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Belarus was also already on thin ice for political discrimination against their own athletes. The blame lies solely with their government there.

[phelps 7,795]

  On 2/9/2023 at 7:11 AM, Dolby said:

But if IOC wants to continue ban on Russia for doping, it should continue to allow "Clean athletes" to compete under IOC flag. And what about Belarus? 

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if it's State organized doping, there are no clean athletes at all.

 

especially in a Country like Russia, there are no athletes that can say "no" to the officials and coaches telling them "take this & that" to improve your performance.

 

and Belarus have also a lot of troubles in that field, too...don't forget the whole canoeing team DQ from Rio 2016 because they were caught while collectively using banned substances (meldonium, but not only).

not to mention the weightlifting team, basically caught in full in the past few years.

[Monzanator 4,602]

  On 2/9/2023 at 12:56 PM, phelps said:

if it's State organized doping, there are no clean athletes at all.

 

especially in a Country like Russia, there are no athletes that can say "no" to the officials and coaches telling them "take this & that" to improve your performance.

 

and Belarus have also a lot of troubles in that field, too...don't forget the whole canoeing team DQ from Rio 2016 because they were caught while collectively using banned substances (meldonium, but not only).

not to mention the weightlifting team, basically caught in full in the past few years.

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The excuse was that if an athlete lives & trains outside of Russia then it would be allowed to compete as neutral. That's why Klishina was allowed to compete in Rio 2016 since she lived in USA all the time.

 

Overall it's just cherry picking at this stage. Kenya should be long banned based on their number of doped athletes especially that it's only middle-distance running they are truly focused on. India does all the doping too but they're not any good save for one success story in javelin lately.

[JoshMartini007 2,559]

  On 2/10/2023 at 12:43 AM, Monzanator said:

The excuse was that if an athlete lives & trains outside of Russia then it would be allowed to compete as neutral. That's why Klishina was allowed to compete in Rio 2016 since she lived in USA all the time.

 

Overall it's just cherry picking at this stage. Kenya should be long banned based on their number of doped athletes especially that it's only middle-distance running they are truly focused on. India does all the doping too but they're not any good save for one success story in javelin lately.

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Has there been any evidence that Kenya or India are performing state-sponsored doping?

[Monzanator 4,602]

  On 2/10/2023 at 2:04 AM, JoshMartini007 said:

Has there been any evidence that Kenya or India are performing state-sponsored doping?

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I don't expect it would be proven especially that Kenya & India are viewed as countries with high level of poverty so they would get a free pass from WA & others.

 

But I also expect the number of positive tests for Kenya will eventually eclipse the number of Russian ones. It's only a matter of time IMO especially that Russians are effectively frozen from doping control now so it will be easier for Kenya to catch up to them.

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Regarding clean athletes: 

 

Though the decision to allow certain athletes has been controversial from beginning, it was more or less a settled question. So, if IOC wants to ban even those athletes who were allowed in previous athletes, it needs new reason. Ukraine war, new findings in state sponsored doping, or something else. 

 

Regarding state sponsored doping:

 

The way I see it the difference between doping and state sponsored doping is the role of national coaches and federations. 

Level 1: Doping happens inspite of NFs. NFs fail to properly educate, find and prosecute the dopers.

Level 2: NFs turn a blind eye to doping. 

Level 3: NFs encourage/take part in doping. 

 

Personally, I think majority of NFs are in mix of level 1 and level 2 and only a small portion of them are in level 3. IOC's case for banning Russia was that it is among the few who were in Level 3. Personally speaking, I think more and more NFs need to move from Level 2 to Level 1 to make a big dent in doping. 

 

P.S.: As far as India is concerned, I think almost all federations would be placed in Level 2. Situation is improving but still a lot of work needs to be done. 

[Grassmarket 3,600]

 Organising a meeting of 30 dissenting countries.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/64587259

[Monzanator 4,602]

There will be a lot of talk about nothing for some time. Politicians as usual want their share of TV time. What else is new?