Modern Pentathlon 2022 Discussion Thread

[Grassmarket 4,028]

On 1/29/2022 at 8:19 PM, JoshMartini007 said:

On a more serious note, I wouldn't mind an obstacle race, it at least keeps it align with its military origins.

 

Besides that, archery would be another viable option.

I was thinking of sports climbing ie the 2-up, first to the top kind.

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Still €14.99 to watch.  

[Gianlu33 5,276]

Anyone know if there are some free streaming, maybe with VPN? 

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Modern Pentathletes mutiny against the moronic leadership of MP, appeal to Thomas Bach (Gold Medal, Fencing, Montreal 1976) & the rest of the IOC, who never won a gold medal.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/modern-pentathlon/61296363

[JoshMartini007 2,765]

1 hour ago, Grassmarket said:

Modern Pentathletes mutiny against the moronic leadership of MP, appeal to Thomas Bach (Gold Medal, Fencing, Montreal 1976) & the rest of the IOC, who never won a gold medal.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/modern-pentathlon/61296363

I'm not sure modern pentathletes will get the response they want from the IOC. I'm pretty sure it was the IOC who told the federation to modernize and become more accessible or risk being dropped from the program.

[NearPup 3,494]

8 hours ago, Grassmarket said:

Modern Pentathletes mutiny against the moronic leadership of MP, appeal to Thomas Bach (Gold Medal, Fencing, Montreal 1976) & the rest of the IOC, who never won a gold medal.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/modern-pentathlon/61296363

The IOC are the ones forcing Modern Pentathlon to drop riding so…

[Vojthas 949]

15 hours ago, NearPup said:

The IOC are the ones forcing Modern Pentathlon to drop riding so…

No, they're not - Samaranch Jr denied this. The IOC just wants a change towards the public. It can be done easily with riding being reformed, but even dropping the riding will not help, if all the competitions are behind a paywall and the TVs who have the TV broadcasting rights are not getting any material, because there is no TV broadcast material - only the UIPM TV is broadcasting.

The next thing - IOC wants the athletes in the core of decision making process. The athletes are punished for any protest against dropping the riding - Taishu Sato got a yellow card when he appeared on the fencing piste holding a T-shirt saying "keep riding" - there is no rule he broke. Marek Grycz says the athletes were threatened with exclusion for having such a T-shirt by the Technical Delegate Ágnes Kulcsár - also no rule broken.

The obstacle run was already chosen before the UIPM Congress - that's why among the criteria for the new 5th discipline there was a one saying "it cannot be under governance of any IOC recognized organization" - this is something totally different to fencing and swimming (and in some way running and shooting). This brought obstacle run as a favorite - Rob Stull is both, the Americas representative in the Board of World Obstacle and a president of American Confederation of Modern Pentathlon. Also an announcer (or a screamer would be more appropriate word) at most UIPM competitions for almost a decade already.
John Helmick, the treasurer of UIPM, said that "they are the athletes" - because most of the UIPM EB members used to compete in pentathlon. That's their way of "athletes in core of decision process".

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What stops IOC from removing MP from the Olympic programme? Especially now that they have a great excuse of promoting "urban" sports for kids as Olympic sports? They wanted to remove wrestling & boxing before and there's no way MP has any celebrities or other VIPs trying to defend it.

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1 hour ago, Vojthas said:

No, they're not - Samaranch Jr denied this. The IOC just wants a change towards the public. It can be done easily with riding being reformed, but even dropping the riding will not help, if all the competitions are behind a paywall and the TVs who have the TV broadcasting rights are not getting any material, because there is no TV broadcast material - only the UIPM TV is broadcasting.

The next thing - IOC wants the athletes in the core of decision making process. The athletes are punished for any protest against dropping the riding - Taishu Sato got a yellow card when he appeared on the fencing piste holding a T-shirt saying "keep riding" - there is no rule he broke. Marek Grycz says the athletes were threatened with exclusion for having such a T-shirt by the Technical Delegate Ágnes Kulcsár - also no rule broken.

The obstacle run was already chosen before the UIPM Congress - that's why among the criteria for the new 5th discipline there was a one saying "it cannot be under governance of any IOC recognized organization" - this is something totally different to fencing and swimming (and in some way running and shooting). This brought obstacle run as a favorite - Rob Stull is both, the Americas representative in the Board of World Obstacle and a president of American Confederation of Modern Pentathlon. Also an announcer (or a screamer would be more appropriate word) at most UIPM competitions for almost a decade already.
John Helmick, the treasurer of UIPM, said that "they are the athletes" - because most of the UIPM EB members used to compete in pentathlon. That's their way of "athletes in core of decision process".

Certainly this is the way most decisions are made in politics, business, universities etc nowadays.  
 

1. Small cabal decides it wants to change something.
2. Pretends there is a crisis.
3. Launches a “period of discussion.”  
4. No conclusions are reached because everyone disagrees with each other 
5. Small cabal goes ahead & does what it always wanted to do.