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hace 4 horas, OlympicsFan said:

An interesting video for all the people who fear that most of us will be replaced by robots soon ...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUmyygCMMGA

 

I think this channel has a lot of interesting videos, the same is true for the following channel:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrU9YDoXE88

 

 

Yes, also Kurzgesagt is another good similar channel.

 

About automatization...  I'm not so hopeful, new Jobs will be created but they will all involve high skilled tasks and not everyone has the money or capacity to earn a doctorate in computer science...

 

Still, the thing I'm really waiting for, in the far (or maybe not so far) future is the end of work altogether... just universal income and end all this stupidity of having to go out every day to make more money for some millonaire just so you can stay alive. 

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5 hours ago, LDOG said:

 

Yes, also Kurzgesagt is another good similar channel.

 

About automatization...  I'm not so hopeful, new Jobs will be created but they will all involve high skilled tasks and not everyone has the money or capacity to earn a doctorate in computer science...

 

Still, the thing I'm really waiting for, in the far (or maybe not so far) future is the end of work altogether... just universal income and end all this stupidity of having to go out every day to make more money for some millonaire just so you can stay alive. 

Who's going to pay for all that? And then how are you going to make more money when you have put in more work (like invested more in years of studying, working 50-60-70 hours a week)? Because it'd be rather unfair if for example I, relativaly lazy, have the same 'universal income' as someone who works their balls off every day (no matter if that's physical labour or pulling all-nighters at the office).

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Who's going to pay for all that? And then how are you going to make more money when you have put in more work (like invested more in years of studying, working 50-60-70 hours a week)? Because it'd be rather unfair if for example I, relativaly lazy, have the same 'universal income' as someone who works their balls off every day (no matter if that's physical labour or pulling all-nighters at the office).

 

Supposedly, this phenomenon will increase the so called "productivity" and overall wealth (I don't actually think this will be that "nice", but i'm just arguing within the logic of capitalism), more wealth, more tax money. 

 

As for the latter question... I forgot to add the word "basic" between universal and income. You are still free to go out there and earn your millions if you wish, heywoodu. This is just about, you know, preventing people from dying of hunger.

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Who's going to pay for all that? And then how are you going to make more money when you have put in more work (like invested more in years of studying, working 50-60-70 hours a week)? Because it'd be rather unfair if for example I, relativaly lazy, have the same 'universal income' as someone who works their balls off every day (no matter if that's physical labour or pulling all-nighters at the office).

Here are some links for you, in case you want to learn more about it (the first three links are in german):

http://www.3sat.de/page/?source=/kulturzeit/themen/135178/index.html (i remember that there was also a video of an interview with Andre Gorz, but sadly i can't find it anymore)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BAmI1t-Awo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM4dFbliffU

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/31/finland-universal-basic-income

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/opinion/finland-universal-basic-income.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irf2dhtJZZ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIL_Y9g7Tg0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rL6gJkdlNU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ANdC7ZFAI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_iPysBMIUg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4W5RXPXsko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydKcaIE6O1k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkO2CwLWRvg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzs9IljUZiU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq3nRSq03x4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFERVdpmPDc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Ttro225EE

 

There has also been an experiment in Kenya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyTBWUkdGR0

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/23/magazine/universal-income-global-inequality.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/6/14007230/kenya-basic-income-givedirectly-experiment-village

 

Interesting footnote of history:

Richard Nixon already wanted to introduce an universal basic income more than 40 years ago ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM7iQU0eaG0

 

Edit: Sorry for throwing all those links at you, i thought i post them here, in case someone finds that topic interesting, i didn't want to "impose" a discussion on you ...

 

 

 

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Supposedly, this phenomenon will increase the so called "productivity" and overall wealth (I don't actually think this will be that "nice", but i'm just arguing within the logic of capitalism), more wealth, more tax money. 

 

As for the latter question... I forgot to add the word "basic" between universal and income. You are still free to go out there and earn your millions if you wish, heywoodu. This is just about, you know, preventing people from dying of hunger.

Here are some interesting links dealing with this topic and also AI in general, maybe you will find some of them insightful. It is interesting to see that people like Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg are also in favor of an universal basic income, but i don't know if them advocating this idea is a good thing or not ... ?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWmRkYsLzB4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ8U3687b28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3nnEpITz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opdc8hQN0ew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWistojFP3w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5N2Jl8k14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nt3edWLgIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu8s0tp9yzY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEkT14RBzDI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfw6vIl8ILk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQGqMVuAk04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16W7c0mb-rE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnT1xgZgkpk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQrbxD9_Ng

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, heywoodu said:

Who's going to pay for all that? And then how are you going to make more money when you have put in more work (like invested more in years of studying, working 50-60-70 hours a week)? Because it'd be rather unfair if for example I, relativaly lazy, have the same 'universal income' as someone who works their balls off every day (no matter if that's physical labour or pulling all-nighters at the office).

 

People who work this many hours are just crazy anyway :p. Unless you own a business or something why the hell would you work that many hours (I'm not talking about third world countries of course). A lot of people gloat about how much hours they work as if it is a badge of honour and I just pity them :d

 

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15 minutes ago, OlympicIRL said:

 

People who work this many hours are just crazy anyway :p. Unless you own a business or something why the hell would you work that many hours (I'm not talking about third world countries of course). A lot of people gloat about how much hours they work as if it is a badge of honour and I just pity them :d

 

 

I've read a book about a man who worked 16-18 hours a day (The Firm). Good book. :d There is a movie based on that, but not nearly as exciting. :p

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3 hours ago, OlympicIRL said:

 

People who work this many hours are just crazy anyway :p. Unless you own a business or something why the hell would you work that many hours (I'm not talking about third world countries of course). A lot of people gloat about how much hours they work as if it is a badge of honour and I just pity them :d

 

 

Well yeah I wouldn't want it neither, but I do (in most cases, not always of course) respect it when someone earned a shitload of money by actually studying very hard, then working very hard :p 

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