[OFF TOPIC] Coronavirus Pandemic

[heywoodu 16,010]

8 minutes ago, Vic Liu said:

and China report AstraZeneca causes terrible blood clot and emphasize other side effects.

This has been in the news here almost literally every day for a while now  

[Vic Liu 1,693]

3 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

This has been in the news here almost literally every day for a while now  

I know. The time line can't be exactly aligned. We are busy reporting some other negative now.

[Grassmarket 4,044]

3 minutes ago, Vic Liu said:

I know. The time line can't be exactly aligned. We are busy reporting some other negative now.

There’s a difference between “doesn’t work at all” & “works, but has side effects that are only noticeable after a million doses.”  Does kind of indicate that whatever pre-release testing was done on the Chinese vaccine was not.....thorough.

[Vic Liu 1,693]

3 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

There’s a difference between “doesn’t work at all” & “works, but has side effects that are only noticeable after a million doses.”  Does kind of indicate that whatever pre-release testing was done on the Chinese vaccine was not.....thorough.

There's a also a difference between" it doesn't promise 90%+ effective but still prevent severe symptoms and deaths" and " The side effects caused deadly blood clots and some irresponsible government still promote the vaccine while others halted it"

 

See the beauty of different angle to report the same thing?

[dcro 10,210]

1 minute ago, Vic Liu said:

There's a also a difference between" it doesn't promise 90%+ effective but still prevent severe symptoms and deaths" and " The side effects caused deadly blood clots and some irresponsible government still promote the vaccine while others halted it"

 

See the beauty of different angle to report the same thing?

Where is the angle here?

 

Media here consistently reports both these pieces of information. Every single day.

[Vic Liu 1,693]

5 minutes ago, dcro said:

Where is the angle here?

 

Media here consistently reports both these pieces of information. Every single day.

UK report Sinovac: “doesn’t work at all” 

China report Sinovac: it doesn't promise 90%+ effective but still prevent severe symptoms and deaths"

 

UK report Astrazenca: works, but has side effects that are only noticeable after a million doses

China report Asteazenca: The side effects caused deadly blood clots and some irresponsible government still promote the vaccine while others halted it"

[Agger 1,701]

3 hours ago, Grassmarket said:

The Chinese vaccine is pretty much useless.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9460177/China-admits-Covid-jabs-not-effective-major-blow-global-health-battle.html

Still above 50 %. That's quite a bit better than nothing...

[Grassmarket 4,044]

22 minutes ago, Agger said:

Still above 50 %. That's quite a bit better than nothing...

The problem with a 50% rate is that it does not prevent a virus from becoming endemic.  Many years ago I did some work on measles in Scotland & our target was 90% coverage in children, which was considered enough to eliminate the disease. (We got there for a few years in the early 90s, but fell away to about 75% later.)

[Agger 1,701]

4 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

The problem with a 50% rate is that it does not prevent a virus from becoming endemic.  Many years ago I did some work on measles in Scotland & our target was 90% coverage in children, which was considered enough to eliminate the disease. (We got there for a few years in the early 90s, but fell away to about 75% later.)

But hasn't scientists expected it to become endemic for quite some time?

We've been using plenty of AZ vaccines that aren't that much higher (and starting using J&J as well).

[dcro 10,210]

Apparently the EU will stop ordering AstraZeneca and J&J?