hckošice 13,258 Posted April 14, 2020 #701 Share Posted April 14, 2020 into Rio 2016 Taekwondo this week... I have a question (maybe stupid).. @MHSN our combat sports specialist, I want to ask your oppinion which system of repechages is the better or the most fair in your oppinion, the Wrestling with all finalists losing opponents against semifinal loser from the same draw, Taekwondo with all finalists losing opponents against semfinal loser from the opposite side of the draw or Judo with only the quarterfinalists fighting for 2nd chance in the repechage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,557 Posted April 14, 2020 #702 Share Posted April 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, hckosice said: into Rio 2016 Taekwondo this week... I have a question (maybe stupid).. @MHSN our combat sports specialist, I want to ask your oppinion which system of repechages is the better or the most fair in your oppinion, the Wrestling with all finalists losing opponents against semifinal loser from the same draw, Taekwondo with all finalists losing opponents against semfinal loser from the opposite side of the draw or Judo with only the quarterfinalists fighting for 2nd chance in the repechage ? Stupid question or not, I'm curious as well Personally I'd go for judo, where you at least have to reach a certain stage yourself - independent from who you've fought - to be able to fight for medals. Griff88, hckošice, Vojthas and 2 others 4 1 If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly_like_a_don 934 Posted April 14, 2020 #703 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, hckosice said: into Rio 2016 Taekwondo this week... I have a question (maybe stupid).. @MHSN our combat sports specialist, I want to ask your oppinion which system of repechages is the better or the most fair in your oppinion, the Wrestling with all finalists losing opponents against semifinal loser from the same draw, Taekwondo with all finalists losing opponents against semfinal loser from the opposite side of the draw or Judo with only the quarterfinalists fighting for 2nd chance in the repechage ? I'd say Wrestling and Taekwondo. Why? Because wrestling in Olympics has draw made from rankings which is not always right. Usually top wrestlers participate in world champs and continental giving opportunity to juniors and others in other events. Meanwhile some nations with limited resources use the same set of wrestlers in all competitions. I still remember when Sushil won silver at Olympics it was told in media if he wins first round he'll reach finals easily. Similiraly having repecharge like that gives opportunity to prove yourself. hckošice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,557 Posted April 14, 2020 #704 Share Posted April 14, 2020 In the end repechages are just unnecessary anyway, with boxing (where two losing semi-finalists being too injured to compete again is arguably more realistic than in the other sports) as exception, possibly. If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHSN 3,221 Posted April 14, 2020 #705 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, hckosice said: into Rio 2016 Taekwondo this week... I have a question (maybe stupid).. @MHSN our combat sports specialist, I want to ask your oppinion which system of repechages is the better or the most fair in your oppinion, the Wrestling with all finalists losing opponents against semifinal loser from the same draw, Taekwondo with all finalists losing opponents against semfinal loser from the opposite side of the draw or Judo with only the quarterfinalists fighting for 2nd chance in the repechage ? I think you probably know it but still for info Taekwondo has no repechage system in all other competitions, that's only for the Olympics. there is no perfect system, I prefer Olympic Taekwondo format, specially that bronze medal match against the SF loser from the opposite side of the draw. but I think the old format in Judo was probably better, all semifinalist loseing opponents could have a chance for bronze. in wrestling they tried so many different formats in past, some of them unbelievably unfair, (can you believe there was a guy who won all of his matches and still left the Olympics without a medal ? ) I follow wrestling since 1994, they tried so many formats before 1993: 2 groups, double elimination, group winners to the final 1993-1994: direct elimination, everybody goes to the repechage except losers from 2nd and 3rd rounds !!! I know some wrestlers lost intentionally in the first round to avoid the world champion in the next round ! 1995-1998: direct elimination, everybody goes to the repechage, that sounds fair but then sometimes you have to win 6-7 matches in repechage to win the bronze ! 1999: group format of 3 or 4 wrestlers, with group winners and some of runner-ups advance, the number of runner-ups was based on the bracket, for example they wanted to have 8 or 16 or 32 wrestlers for the knockout round, (the ugliest wrestling match I remember was from 1999 WCH , when two wrestlers from Iran and Hungary both wanted to lose to avoid Adam Saitiev, the Iranian managed to lose but then the next day they found out their calculation was wrong and he was out) 2000-2004: group format of 3 or 4 wrestlers, with only group winners advanving to the knockout round 2005-: current format hckošice and phelps 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHSN 3,221 Posted April 14, 2020 #706 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, heywoodu said: Stupid question or not, I'm curious as well Personally I'd go for judo, where you at least have to reach a certain stage yourself - independent from who you've fought - to be able to fight for medals. you know Judo changed its format to this only when they started having a proper ranking system, now they separate top 8 in the draw, and they can reach QF without facing each other, wrestling has no proper raking system. with this format you may end up having two best wrestlers facing each other right in the first round and it happened so many times before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,258 Posted April 14, 2020 #707 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, MHSN said: I think you probably know it but still for info Taekwondo has no repechage system in all other competitions, that's only for the Olympics. there is no perfect system, I prefer Olympic Taekwondo format, specially that bronze medal match against the SF loser from the opposite side of the draw. but I think the old format in Judo was probably better, all semifinalist loseing opponents could have a chance for bronze. in wrestling they tried so many different formats in past, some of them unbelievably unfair, (can you believe there was a guy who won all of his matches and still left the Olympics without a medal ? ) I follow wrestling since 1994, they tried so many formats before 1993: 2 groups, double elimination, group winners to the final 1993-1994: direct elimination, everybody goes to the repechage except losers from 2nd and 3rd rounds !!! I know some wrestlers lost intentionally in the first round to avoid the world champion in the next round ! 1995-1998: direct elimination, everybody goes to the repechage, that sounds fair but then sometimes you have to win 6-7 matches in repechage to win the bronze ! 1999: group format of 3 or 4 wrestlers, with group winners and some of runner-ups advance, the number of runner-ups was based on the table, for example they wanted to have 8 or 16 or 32 wrestlers for the knockout round, (the ugliest wrestling match I remember was from 1999 WCH , when two wrestlers from Iran and Hungary both wanted to lose to avoid Adam Saitiev, the Iranian managed to lose but then the next day they found out their calculation was wrong and he is out) 2000-2004: group format of 3 or 4 wrestlers, with only group winners advanving to the knockout round 2005-: current format I didn´t realize that about TKD. however I found it strange that the a guy who lost to player A in the 1st round fight againts a guy who lost to the player A in quarterfinal but then suddenly have to face in the bronze medal a guy who lost to player B in the semis Interesting recap of wrestling that´s really quite a lot of changes.. Thanks for your answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,862 Posted April 14, 2020 #708 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, MHSN said: I think you probably know it but still for info Taekwondo has no repechage system in all other competitions, that's only for the Olympics. there is no perfect system, I prefer Olympic Taekwondo format, specially that bronze medal match against the SF loser from the opposite side of the draw. but I think the old format in Judo was probably better, all semifinalist loseing opponents could have a chance for bronze. in wrestling they tried so many different formats in past, some of them unbelievably unfair, (can you believe there was a guy who won all of his matches and still left the Olympics without a medal ? ) I follow wrestling since 1994, they tried so many formats before 1993: 2 groups, double elimination, group winners to the final 1993-1994: direct elimination, everybody goes to the repechage except losers from 2nd and 3rd rounds !!! I know some wrestlers lost intentionally in the first round to avoid the world champion in the next round ! 1995-1998: direct elimination, everybody goes to the repechage, that sounds fair but then sometimes you have to win 6-7 matches in repechage to win the bronze ! 1999: group format of 3 or 4 wrestlers, with group winners and some of runner-ups advance, the number of runner-ups was based on the bracket, for example they wanted to have 8 or 16 or 32 wrestlers for the knockout round, (the ugliest wrestling match I remember was from 1999 WCH , when two wrestlers from Iran and Hungary both wanted to lose to avoid Adam Saitiev, the Iranian managed to lose but then the next day they found out their calculation was wrong and he was out) 2000-2004: group format of 3 or 4 wrestlers, with only group winners advanving to the knockout round 2005-: current format that one! the only fair repechage system... I still regret those times...even if I don't regret at all that kind of Judo... recently I had the chance to watch once again many Judo Olympic Finals from those epic Nineties and Sydney 2000 Games...and frankly I'm really surprised to see how much the fighting style has changed (and it's changed in a positive way) in this last 10 years... even London 2012 seems to be held in another century because of the rule difference with today's sport... MHSN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,477 Posted April 14, 2020 #709 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Repechage for all combat sport should be: LQF1 v. LQF4 LQF2 v. LQF3 WR1 v. LSF2 - winner is Bronze Medalist WR2 v. LSF1 - winner is Bronze Medalist “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly_like_a_don 934 Posted April 14, 2020 #710 Share Posted April 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said: Repechage for all combat sport should be: LQF1 v. LQF4 LQF2 v. LQF3 WR1 v. LSF2 - winner is Bronze Medalist WR2 v. LSF1 - winner is Bronze Medalist For that athletes will have to complete in all ranking events across the year or else be ready to face difficult opposition early in tournament. Plus no exposure for juniors and cadets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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