Summer Olympic Games Los Angeles 2028 Sports Programme Road to LA 2028

[MHSN 3,777]

55 minutes ago, NearPup said:

 Ya,  Hamedi being disqualified remains one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen in any sporting event. I don’t know how justified it was within the WKF rules, but either way it felt really wrong.

 

I would be really disappointed if kumite ever came back to the Olympics. I would be okay with a return of kata, because it at least provides something completely different to the Olympics rather than being the world’s lamest combat sport. Plus at least if you KO your opponent in a kata competition there won’t be any controversy about the disqualification.

That was never a controversy for anybody who has watched this sport for an hour.

 

in Judo you can win by strangulation or something but you can't break the neck I assume. 

that's the same with kicking (or punching) to the head in Karate, you can kick but you can't kick with maximum force. that's the first thing they teach you in Karate. the very first thing.

[mpjmcevoy 375]

5 minutes ago, MHSN said:

That was never a controversy for anybody who has watched this sport for an hour.

 

in Judo you can win by strangulation or something but you can't break the neck I assume. 

that's the same with kicking (or punching) to the head in Karate, you can kick but you can't kick with maximum force. that's the first thing they teach you in Karate. the very first thing.

Worth noting that MMA was once more or less known as 'no holds barred', the most brutal form of combat sport....but almost immediately, certain holds and techniques were barred! Eye gouging, fishhooking and, more important for this discussion "small joint manipulation" - i.e torture submissions based on breaking fingers and toes. Holds that work in te real world...but are unacceptable in the sport. Any martial art that becomes a sport compromises - what do you think boxing gloves are?

 

My problem with karate is following the scoring and understanding what scores and what doesn't. The action itself looks interesting, but its hard to read a context.

 

Under no circumstances whatsoever should we see fierce growling and staring at invisible people - Kata - ever return to the games - the only event more shambolic that B-girl Raygun. What next, Haka?

[mpjmcevoy 375]

On 8/16/2024 at 9:51 AM, Jur said:

Athletics probably tried with Cross Country; Handball for sure proposed Beach Handball, Gymnastics probably tried with Tumbling and Acrobatic, Swimming with High Diving and Archery with Compound

Cross-country is a long standing WA ask. Handball was never going to get Beach, Gymnastics would defo want tumbling, but possibly prefer double mini or trampoline synchro to acrobatic. High diving SHOULD get in and Archery would be better looking at field events, but may be satisfied with the five it has.

[MHSN 3,777]

42 minutes ago, mpjmcevoy said:

Worth noting that MMA was once more or less known as 'no holds barred', the most brutal form of combat sport....but almost immediately, certain holds and techniques were barred! Eye gouging, fishhooking and, more important for this discussion "small joint manipulation" - i.e torture submissions based on breaking fingers and toes. Holds that work in te real world...but are unacceptable in the sport. Any martial art that becomes a sport compromises - what do you think boxing gloves are?

 

My problem with karate is following the scoring and understanding what scores and what doesn't. The action itself looks interesting, but its hard to read a context.

 

Under no circumstances whatsoever should we see fierce growling and staring at invisible people - Kata - ever return to the games - the only event more shambolic that B-girl Raygun. What next, Haka?

Karate obviously has lots of problems with officiating. and WKF itself is not a great organization either (most of their rule changes are dumb) but the scoring basic is very simple with only 1 or 2 rare situations. 

 

I know in past IOC (under previous IOC presidents not the current dictator) asked WKF to find a solution, using helmets or something like that to avoid situation like the last Olympic final. and I remember WKF used it for few tournaments around 2000 (1998 Asian Games for example) but nobody (specially the athletes) didn't like it, they dropped the idea.

 

I totally understand Kata looks very very boring, (as boring as Surfing in my opinion) but that's the heart of karate. even if WKF is allowed to pick 1 event for the Olympics, they will pick Kata  (team kata is much better though)

Edited August 18, 2024 by MHSN

[konig 1,555]

2 hours ago, NearPup said:

The judging systems for kata and breakdancing were actually both completely changed specifically for the Olympics, so they were both as old as one another.

 

And karate might have had many decades of development but that doesn’t mean the end product was any good as a TV sport, and it also had arguably the most controversial officiating decision of the entire Tokyo Olympics.

Ok but the kata is not dancing, are a sequence of pre-established movements which have centuries and is one of the pillars of most martials arts, i cant simply equalize with an street dancing.

In kata, i watch a martialist looking for make perfection, in breakdancing i watch a dancer trying to make the best choreography for a judge.

[mpjmcevoy 375]

2 minutes ago, konig said:

Ok but the kata is not dancing, are a sequence of pre-established movements which have centuries and is one of the pillars of most martials arts, i cant simply equalize with an street dancing.

In kata, i watch a martialist looking for make perfection, in breakdancing i watch a dancer trying to make the best choreography for a judge.

I'm sure Kata is very historically meaningful, but it's not sport. Lots of dancing is very ritualised too. Still not sport.

[intoronto 6,406]

With past precedence, a sport not in thr top 2 tiers will likely find it hard to add another discipline without dropping event. For ex. Canoeing in Paris.

[heywoodu 16,004]

5 hours ago, konig said:

it doesnt changes the essence of the olympics in anyway

Thinking breakdancing 'changes the essence of the Olympics' is somewhat exaggerated, to be fair. Especially when you consider we already have an Olympic dancing competition that's widely accepted as being part of it (unfortunately), and is called dressage.

[JoshMartini007 2,765]

We also have artistic swimming and figure skating. Dancing will be a part of the Olympics, even if DanceSport never returns.

[Jur 689]

And watching Artistic Swimming or Ice Dancing you can get impressed with the choreo and the artistic elements... Im just still trying to understand Kata. All seemed the same, all doing the same... why someone won? Cause they shouted more? It was veeeery weird

 

Not that Kumite was any better. I failed to understand that too.

 

 

Karate had it chance and it fumbled the bag pretty hard. Almost as hard as Breaking.