Speed Skating at the Winter Olympic Games Beijing 2022

[Dennis 746]

  On 11/27/2021 at 2:17 PM, Belle said:

When do we know all qualified skaters? When will we know if Van der Poel is qualified for men’s 5000 and 10000? 

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On December 13th we should be 99,9% certain as the final World Cup that counts towards the Olympic Qualification Rankings will finish on December 12th. Everything will be official by December 24th when the ISU will publish it's final provisional quota list. NOCs have to confirm these quotas by January 16th.

 

However, on the 10k Van der Poel is already 100% certain as the qualification works as follows:

 

1. The top 8 in the combined World Cup standings over 5k and 10k after the first 4 World Cup weekends will qualify directly with a maximum of 2 per NOC 
2. The remaining skaters can qualify by skating one of the 4 fastest times over 10k during one of the 4 first World Cup weekends (with no more than 2 quota in total through option 1 and 2 combined per NOC).

Nils will most likely qualify through option 1. However, the only 10k skated during the first 4 World Cup weekends was skated last week and he obliterated the competition by finishing more than 17 seconds in front of #2. So if some miracle happens and he will fall outside of the top 8 in the World Cup standings, he will always qualify based on time.

 

On the 5k, he is 99,9% certain as the top 14 in the World Cup standings as of mid December will qualify. He is currently ranked #1 with 120 points. In previous seasons, somewhere between 105 - 115 points was sufficient to be in the top 14 after 4 World Cup weekends. If a miracle happens and he falls outside of the top 14, he can still qualify based on time. Besides the top 14, 6 additional skaters will qualify based on season best times skated during a World Cup. Nils currently leads that time ranking, but a 5k will be skated in both Salt Lake City and Calgary, which are the fastest 2 tracks in the world.

[Belle 985]

  On 11/27/2021 at 2:56 PM, Dennis said:

On December 13th we should be 99,9% certain as the final World Cup that counts towards the Olympic Qualification Rankings will finish on December 12th. Everything will be official by December 24th when the ISU will publish it's final provisional quota list. NOCs have to confirm these quotas by January 16th.

 

However, on the 10k Van der Poel is already 100% certain as the qualification works as follows:

 

1. The top 8 in the combined World Cup standings over 5k and 10k after the first 4 World Cup weekends will qualify directly with a maximum of 2 per NOC 
2. The remaining skaters can qualify by skating one of the 4 fastest times over 10k during one of the 4 first World Cup weekends (with no more than 2 quota in total through option 1 and 2 combined per NOC).

Nils will most likely qualify through option 1. However, the only 10k skated during the first 4 World Cup weekends was skated last week and he obliterated the competition by finishing more than 17 seconds in front of #2. So if some miracle happens and he will fall outside of the top 8 in the World Cup standings, he will always qualify based on time.

 

On the 5k, he is 99,9% certain as the top 14 in the World Cup standings as of mid December will qualify. He is currently ranked #1 with 120 points. In previous seasons, somewhere between 105 - 115 points was sufficient to be in the top 14 after 4 World Cup weekends. If a miracle happens and he falls outside of the top 14, he can still qualify based on time. Besides the top 14, 6 additional skaters will qualify based on season best times skated during a World Cup. Nils currently leads that time ranking, but a 5k will be skated in both Salt Lake City and Calgary, which are the fastest 2 tracks in the world.

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Thank you for the explaination . This is hard to understand I think. But now so know better. 

[NearPup 3,192]

Assuming my interpretation of the qualification rules is correct / the ISU didn't change it on us, here are where we stand after round 3 of 4.

 

Men's qualification

23 NOCs, only achieves a maximum quota. Maximum number of skaters is 83, but the max skaters currently add up to 109. Lots of double starters in there, though.

 

	500m	1000m	1500m	5000m	10000m	MS	TP	Max skaters
						1		1
		1	2	1	1	1		6
	1	1				1		3
	2	3	2	1	2	2	X	8
	2	2	2				X	6
						1		1
						2		2
	1	1						2
	1	1	1					3
	1	2	2	2	1			6
	2	1	1	3	2	1	X	8
	3	3	3	1	1	1		7
	2	2	2			1		5
	2	2	2			2	X	7
	3	3	3	3	2	2	X	9
	2	2	3	2		2	X	7
			1	1				2
	3	2	2			1		6
	3	2	2	2	2	2	X	8
				1		1		2
				1	1			2
						1		1
	2	2	2	2		2	X	7

[NearPup 3,192]

Women's qualification

21 NOCs qualified, just like on the men's side only achieved the maximum number of skaters. The max skaters currently add up to 110.

 

	500m	1000m	1500m	3000m	5000m	MS	TP	Max skaters
	1							1
	1	1						2
	1		1			1		3
	1	2	2	1	1	1	X	8
	3	2	2	3	2	2	X	8
	2	3	2	2	1	2	X	8
		1	1	1	1	1		5
		1	1					2
	1	1	2			2		5
			1	1	1	1		4
	3	2	3	2	2	2	X	8
	1	1	2	1		1		6
	2	2				2		5
	3	3	3	3	2	2	X	9
	2	2	2	2	1	1	X	8
	2	2	2	1		1	X	7
	3	3	2	2	1	2	X	8
	1							1
		1	1			1		3
	1	1	1					3
	2	2	2	1		2		6

[Vic Liu 1,686]

  On 12/6/2021 at 3:36 AM, NearPup said:

Assuming my interpretation of the qualification rules is correct / the ISU didn't change it on us, here are where we stand after round 3 of 4.

 

Men's qualification

23 NOCs, only achieves a maximum quota. Maximum number of skaters is 83, but the max skaters currently add up to 109. Lots of double starters in there, though.

 

	500m	1000m	1500m	5000m	10000m	MS	TP	Max skaters
						1		1
		1	2	1	1	1		6
	1	1				1		3
	2	3	2	1	2	2	X	8
	2	2	2				X	6
						1		1
						2		2
	1	1						2
	1	1	1					3
	1	2	2	2	1			6
	2	1	1	3	2	1	X	8
	3	3	3	1	1	1		7
	2	2	2			1		5
	2	2	2			2	X	7
	3	3	3	3	2	2	X	9
	2	2	3	2		2	X	7
			1	1				2
	3	2	2			1		6
	3	2	2	2	2	2	X	8
				1		1		2
				1	1			2
						1		1
	2	2	2	2		2	X	7

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May I know how to determine CHN 6 quotas? After reading document and the example, I still don't get it.

[NearPup 3,192]

  On 12/6/2021 at 4:04 AM, Vic Liu said:

May I know how to determine CHN 6 quotas? After reading document and the example, I still don't get it.

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Max number of skaters in a single event (3 in the team pursuit) + 1 skater for each additional event where China has qualified (500m, 1000m, 1500m).

 

The maximum number of skaters per gender is 7, with two exceptions. If you qualify at least one skater in every event the limit is raised to 8. And if you qualify the maximum number of skaters in all events the limit is raised to 9.

[phelps 7,797]

we can already say that Italy would eventually use all of his 8 spots among the men and only 1 among the women (Lollobrigida will skate all the 4 events where Italy have an entry)...

[NearPup 3,192]

  On 12/6/2021 at 9:49 AM, phelps said:

we can already say that Italy would eventually use all of his 8 spots among the men and only 1 among the women (Lollobrigida will skate all the 4 events where Italy have an entry)...

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I actually believe Italy could get creative here and select Noemi Bonazza for the mass start. Since Italy is on the reserve list they can claim an additional entry at the games using an athlete that is already qualified for another event (Lollobrigida).

[SalamAkhi 323]

Road to 0 

We were always on the edge but that would really hurt right now ... just at the time when we had the phantasmagoric amount of 2 skaters in the WC, 2 in the Junior WC, a record 6 registered in Inzell earlier this winter ... 

[NearPup 3,192]

  On 12/6/2021 at 4:28 PM, SalamAkhi said:

Road to 0 

We were always on the edge but that would really hurt right now ... just at the time when we had the phantasmagoric amount of 2 skaters in the WC, 2 in the Junior WC, a record 6 registered in Inzell earlier this winter ... 

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France still has a good chance in Timothy Loubineaud, who is currently first under the line in the mass start. If makes the finals in Calgary he should qualify no problems.

 

But otherwise there doesn't seem to be any prospects for qualifications at these Olympics.