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On 3/11/2024 at 11:47 AM, Jan Linha said:

Yeah, true. Thanks a lot. Will also be waiting whether Tatiana Minina is allowed. If not, Dominika Hronová would probably take that spot as she lost to Minina and finished 3rd in the tournament. 

So some news on Minina and Khramstsov. 

I do not think Czech Republic will stay quiet. I hope your national federation and NOC are aware of these facts.

 

 

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In theory: who will get quota if Larin is scratched from the Olympics (this possibility is quite real)?

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9 minutes ago, LDOG said:

It's just that most countries supporting Russia or with a neutral stance are from the so called "global south" and, therefore, not powerhouses in fencing (which is largely an euro-usa-east asian sport), but they are not "marginal groups". 

 

The outcome would probably be the same in most olympic sports but many of them have simply not submitted the matter to a vote and kept Russia banned by decision of their executive boards. 

I would not say that "global south" is not strong enough in fencing. There strong teams / fencers in South America, Africa, Central Asia.

 

It is more about cases when national federations exist nominally (with no answers to the requests sent at their offical contact - checked it myself). They even should not visit congresses themselves - FIE allowes them to transfer their votes to other National Federation. So, some federations have several votes at the meetings ) Of course, in some cases - the reason is to reduce expenditures, but it is not an excuse for the federations which do not really operate at all.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, prso1000 said:

Strongly disagree with your statement regarding voting. Wtf. 
why croatias vote should be more worth than Congo (just as an example), just because we don’t like their vote. 
that is not democracy what you are proposing. Sorry mate you are just wrong. 
 

No. no, I do not mean votes should not be equal, of course. I just explined how russians use the fundamental principles of democracy to undermine it from the inside.

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28 minutes ago, prso1000 said:

This whole situation with Russians participating is complicated. 
I personally think they should be banned, on the other hand the west (of which I am part) is the only one setting the rules and not being consistent. Or does anyone believe there could be sanctions against US or any EU country independent of what they do? 
 

I am afraid the west and Ukraine have to accept that large part of the world is neutral when it comes to this war. I am sure if we ask all countries to vote about banning Russia the outcome would be in favor of Russia. 
 

also no one raised a question if those athletes expressing support for the war did it with free will. If your choice is posting a video or ending up in a gulag I guess we all would do the same. 

I am afraid we will have Gulag everywhere with this way.

 

Russians use core principles of democracy against us. Democracy needs voting. But it is important: who votes. If we look through the reports from the meetings of FIE (interhational fencing federation - one of the most pro-russian IF) we can see that russian position is supported during discussion by a lot of countries which do not have fencing traditions and rarelt send a lot of fencers to the international tournaments. Some of this national federations do not exist really - their contact e-mail boxes answer with something like "this address do not exist". But their votes are the same as the votes from others.

 

That is a general russian approach (in sports, politics e t.c.): they strengthen marginal groups (fat-rights, far-lefts, neo-nazi, nominal national sport federations e t.c.) to make their influence unproportionally high (with the help of money, media resources e t.c.). It undermines the result of the voting is which expected to represent balance of the oppinions. By the way, they used it in IPC to allow russians to take part in the Paralympics.

 

Let me show once again this famous photo from pro-war meeting with russian athletes. We can see that some of them have Z-s on their uniform and some of them do not have. So they at least had a choice - to were Z or not.

 

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8 hours ago, Jan Linha said:

Wait, so you wanna that they can participate doubles as Neutral athletes? So lets say, that mixed doubles pair could easily be for example Aryna Sabalenla and Andrey Rublev ?? 😳😳

There is no clarification on this. But all this looks like a bargain between the IOC and russians.

 

  

18 minutes ago, Dnl said:

Any place to get the results from the not broadcasted mat?

The only relatively fast is their official Telegram Channel https://europetaekwondo.org/ (top right corner)

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54 minutes ago, Jan Linha said:

Where did you read about that? 

So let me add Larin to the list. He was "qualified" for the Olympics earlier.
 

At this video he was promoting crowdfunding campaign for russian army as an Olympic Champion. World Taekwondo suspended him for several months. They think it is enough to punish Larin for helping to kill Ukrainians.

 

So with beeing under real pressure IOC is stil capable of scratching all of them from the Olympics. So 3rd places at qualifing tournament still can worth something.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Pasolini said:

Where you saw this decision regarding doubles and mixed? I could only find this note which basically says the same thing we all know.

 

russian media (inckuding RIA) posted this inside 2 days ago with the reference to ITF press-officers.

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10 minutes ago, Pasolini said:

hahahaha i'm still not sure if double counts as a  team to add to the mix

Thomas Bach visited personally ITF meeting where they decided to allow russian and belorussian tennis players to take part in doubles and mixed.

 

The reason - they quallify not as a team but according to their persoanal rankings. That is the difference with other cases. Very controversial decision.

 

So right now it is up to russian government whether to send athletes ot not. 

 

2 most possible outcomes:

 

1. They send athletes only in a small number of events (wrestling, taekwondo, judo, tennis) where they have real chances to get medals.

2. Athletes "themselves" refuse to take part in the games under the proposed conditions (of course they will be just instructed what to say, like before 1984 Olympics).

 

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2 minutes ago, Dnl said:

Is there any draw/schedule for tomorrow?

Yes, right here

https://europetaekwondo.org/documents/

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1 hour ago, MHSN said:

completely useless

 

just in case if someone withdraws later or tests positive for doping

which almost never happen in this sport

One more reason they added that Bronze final (with no finel on the schedule) is to deal with AINs if they are in top 2 and will be scratched later by the IOC commission. So it would be better to win that 3rd place in such cases.

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Fresh portion of results including some results from current seesion

 

Harbar won!

EQT_Olympic_P11_Competition_Draw_Sheet_DAY_1_09_MAR_2024_Update (3).pdf

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2 minutes ago, Illya said:

A much more interesting result would be a victory for Kostenevych (he lost to a Polish fighter at the European Games)

Kostenevych  won. Krush lost

 

@stepansevs a fresh portion of results

EQT_Olympic_P11_Competition_Draw_Sheet_DAY_1_09_MAR_2024_Update (2).pdf

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7 minutes ago, stepansevs said:

Where i can find results?

All I have right now, obtained from Telegram

EQT_Olympic_P11_Competition_Draw_Sheet_DAY_1_09_MAR_2024_Update.pdf

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KRUSH Diana - HOGFELDT Nora  2:0 1/16 - W57