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As someone of Thai heritage who was born and lives in the US who has been following Thai sports, I think I can give a good summary of what hopes they have in Paris 2024. I think if you have to analyze Thailand's medal aspirations for next year's Olympics, you have to put them in 3 tiers: 1. Does that are gold medal contenders, 2. Does who are minor medal contenders, but can also be darkhorse gold medal contenders, and 3). Those who have the ability to be in the top 8 of their event and have an outsider's chance of a medal:
Tier 1: Gold medal contenders
1. Panipak Wongpattanakit (Women's Taekwondo, -49 kg): I think it's obvious what she is top of the list. In Thailand's history, there's no amateur athlete who is as consistent as her. Thus, she is still the best gold medal that they have. However, she's at best a slight favorite in her category as she has been beaten by Turkish and Mexican athletes in the two recent world championships, although she's still very unbeatable in the world grand prix competitions. The biggest challenge to her defense of 2020 championship is not necessary the quality of her opponents, but maintaining her physical fitness until July 2024 as she has been dealing with some nagging knee injuries for the past year. According to her, she opted out from a knee surgery until the end of Paris 2024 because it will take her several months to recover and she wouldn't be able to be ready for the Olympics.
2. Kunlavut Vitidsarn (Badminton, Men's Singles): The main reasons why Vitidsarn is number 2 in this list are 1). He is the regining world champion and 2). His talent and technical ability is in the elite tier in his event. However, those who may hope for him to be successful next summer must be cautious in placing their hopes in him as he struggles to maintain his physical fitness to an optimal level. Since winning the world championship in August, Vitidsarn's performance have been sub-par. He was eliminated in the round of 16 in the recent Asian Games and has been eliminated in the perliminary round of his two recent world tour competitions in Finland and Denmark. While some can point out to the grueling international tournament schedule as the key reason of his physical struggles, IMO, I believe most of this has to do with his playing style, which is defensive and counter-attack oriented that causes to play most of his matches for more than an hour in average as the lack of effectiveness of the physical/sports science program at his club, Banthongyord, as Thailand is lacking behind countries such China, Japan and Korea in that area. I also think his coaches have not been able to find a tactic to counter the schemes that others have used in dealing with Vitidsarn's strengths and weaknesses.
In an ideal world, I would like Vitidsarn to have the ability to hire a foreign fitness coach as well as a badminton coach from a well-renowned country in the sport to help him as I don't think the Thai mindset and training/tactical methodologies are good enough to push him any further. But since his camp will unlikely to admit such faults, the best that I could hope is for him to maintain peak physical condition come Paris 2024. Due to the very competitive scene in the men's singles, I could see Vitidsarn's performance in Paris having a hige variance from being anywhere from winning the gold medal, to failing to be in the podium or even being knocked out in the permliminary rounds. The fact that Thailand has never won a medal in the sport would be added pressure for him to win a medal, and Thais usually don't do well in dealing with pressure.
Tier 2-Minor medal contenders, darkhorse gold medal contenders:
1. Weightlifting- (Men's 73 kg-Weeraphon Wichuma, Women's +81 kg-Duangsakorn Chaidee, Men's 61 kg-Theerapong Silachai, Women's 49 kg-Thanyathorn Sukcharoen).
The first two in this list can be gold medal contenders and are almost certain to win a medal next year. Weeraphon is this year's world champion and is number two in the Olympic qualification list. He lost to the number one guy in the list from Indonesia at the Asian Games by about 8 kilograms. There is enough time from now until Paris to catch up with the Indonesian, but to win the gold medal, he has to work on his clean and jerk lift in order to win gold. Duangsakorn's performance in 2022 would have been good enough to guarantee a bronze next year. But it seems like she hasn't done well this year for not lifting more than 280+ kg. If she can go 290 kg without doping, then she can at least win the silver. The other two are good enough to win a bronze, but nothing more than that as they don't the ability to beat the Chinese lifters in their weight category.
2. Boxing - (Men's 51 kg-Thitisarn Panmot, Women's 54 kg-Jutamas Jitpong, Women's 50 kg-Chutamat Raksat, Women's 66 kg- Janjaem Suwannaphaeng)
While there is no Thai boxer who I consider to be a gold medal contender, a several of them have proven to be worthy of medal contention for their perfomances at they year's Worlds and Asian Games. Among these four in the list, I consider Suwannaphaeng and Panmot to be darkhorses to win gold. Suwannaphaeng won silver at both the worlds and Asian Games and from what I heard from Thai webboards, she could have beaten the Chinese world champion if their contest was held at a neutral site. Panmot is known for being more dynamic and has more offense than the typical Thai amateur boxer who genrally relies on counter attacking punches. He made the quarters in the worlds and won silver at the Asain Games. If he can be improve his fitness from this year as he is coming back from an ACL injury prior to the 2021 Olympics, he might have a chance to beat the Uzbekistani world champion. The other two are good enough to win bronze in Paris, but would need to show more to have a chance to win gold.
3. Banlung Tubtimdang- (Men's Taekwondo-58 kg???/-68 kg?????)
Tubtimdang won the silver in the worlds and gold at the Asian Games in the -63 kg category. As the -63 kg event is not in the Olympics, he has to chose whether he will try to qualify for the -58 kg event or -68 kg event. If he chooses the -58 kg, he will likely to be a notable medal contender due to his height and skillset and can be a darkhouse gold medal threat. The question is not about whether he is good enough because as some may see him in the Asian games, he has elite tier athleticism and talent, but it is about whether he has the desire and discipline to power his weight and compete in the -58 kg event where he would have a notable height and physical advantage over the competition.
4. Atthaya Thitikul (Women's Golf)
Thitikul was the number one player in the world for a good portion of 2022 before having a slight decline and now is currently the 12th ranked player in the world. Despite not winning any championships as of late, she usually makes or is near the top 10 of most of her tournaments. She definitley has elite talent and has an opportunity to win a medal pending on her form during next summer as well as the how well can she adapt to the conditions of the course that will be used for the Olympics.
Tier 3-Outsiders chance of winning a medal
1. Boxing (Men's 63.5 kg, Women's 75 kg)
There are other notable athletes that has proven to have performances that is worthy of being a medal contenter like the former world champions in badminton mixed doubles of Dechapol and Sapsiree, Skeet shooter Sutiya Jiewchaloemmit, former world champion in women's singles in badminton, Ratchanok Intanon for instance. But the reason that they and others are not included in my list because they either has past their peak and not currently good enough to compete for a medal or don't have the consistency to be counted on to win a medal.
Overall, I think the medal target to at least show some improvement from 2021 is to win 2 gold medals and to have an overall of around 4-6 medals. Personally, I think Thailand could slightly improve from how they did in Tokyo, but I can also see them failing to win any gold medals and may have a subpar performance of winning no more than 3 overall medals. The reason that I am vary about Thailand's performance in Paris is that Thai athletes in general don't handle pressure well. I think it has to do with the cultural aspect of Thais not liking to be working in high pressured environments that has contributed to such problem. I also think the fact that the country is lagging in its sport science development is the factor of why their athletes don't have the stamina and endurance that other countries do. Hence, Thailand does not have the level of success in terms of Olympic medals that other B-tier Asian countries like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Iran, Chinese Taipei or India have. It doesn't help that their sport administration capabilities is hundered by a bunch of politicians, social elites and bureaucrats coming into such positions and not implementing policies that advances the sport industry.
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from rafalgorka in The biggest Paris 2024 medal chances for NOCs where users are not very active here :-)
As someone of Thai heritage who was born and lives in the US who has been following Thai sports, I think I can give a good summary of what hopes they have in Paris 2024. I think if you have to analyze Thailand's medal aspirations for next year's Olympics, you have to put them in 3 tiers: 1. Does that are gold medal contenders, 2. Does who are minor medal contenders, but can also be darkhorse gold medal contenders, and 3). Those who have the ability to be in the top 8 of their event and have an outsider's chance of a medal:
Tier 1: Gold medal contenders
1. Panipak Wongpattanakit (Women's Taekwondo, -49 kg): I think it's obvious what she is top of the list. In Thailand's history, there's no amateur athlete who is as consistent as her. Thus, she is still the best gold medal that they have. However, she's at best a slight favorite in her category as she has been beaten by Turkish and Mexican athletes in the two recent world championships, although she's still very unbeatable in the world grand prix competitions. The biggest challenge to her defense of 2020 championship is not necessary the quality of her opponents, but maintaining her physical fitness until July 2024 as she has been dealing with some nagging knee injuries for the past year. According to her, she opted out from a knee surgery until the end of Paris 2024 because it will take her several months to recover and she wouldn't be able to be ready for the Olympics.
2. Kunlavut Vitidsarn (Badminton, Men's Singles): The main reasons why Vitidsarn is number 2 in this list are 1). He is the regining world champion and 2). His talent and technical ability is in the elite tier in his event. However, those who may hope for him to be successful next summer must be cautious in placing their hopes in him as he struggles to maintain his physical fitness to an optimal level. Since winning the world championship in August, Vitidsarn's performance have been sub-par. He was eliminated in the round of 16 in the recent Asian Games and has been eliminated in the perliminary round of his two recent world tour competitions in Finland and Denmark. While some can point out to the grueling international tournament schedule as the key reason of his physical struggles, IMO, I believe most of this has to do with his playing style, which is defensive and counter-attack oriented that causes to play most of his matches for more than an hour in average as the lack of effectiveness of the physical/sports science program at his club, Banthongyord, as Thailand is lacking behind countries such China, Japan and Korea in that area. I also think his coaches have not been able to find a tactic to counter the schemes that others have used in dealing with Vitidsarn's strengths and weaknesses.
In an ideal world, I would like Vitidsarn to have the ability to hire a foreign fitness coach as well as a badminton coach from a well-renowned country in the sport to help him as I don't think the Thai mindset and training/tactical methodologies are good enough to push him any further. But since his camp will unlikely to admit such faults, the best that I could hope is for him to maintain peak physical condition come Paris 2024. Due to the very competitive scene in the men's singles, I could see Vitidsarn's performance in Paris having a hige variance from being anywhere from winning the gold medal, to failing to be in the podium or even being knocked out in the permliminary rounds. The fact that Thailand has never won a medal in the sport would be added pressure for him to win a medal, and Thais usually don't do well in dealing with pressure.
Tier 2-Minor medal contenders, darkhorse gold medal contenders:
1. Weightlifting- (Men's 73 kg-Weeraphon Wichuma, Women's +81 kg-Duangsakorn Chaidee, Men's 61 kg-Theerapong Silachai, Women's 49 kg-Thanyathorn Sukcharoen).
The first two in this list can be gold medal contenders and are almost certain to win a medal next year. Weeraphon is this year's world champion and is number two in the Olympic qualification list. He lost to the number one guy in the list from Indonesia at the Asian Games by about 8 kilograms. There is enough time from now until Paris to catch up with the Indonesian, but to win the gold medal, he has to work on his clean and jerk lift in order to win gold. Duangsakorn's performance in 2022 would have been good enough to guarantee a bronze next year. But it seems like she hasn't done well this year for not lifting more than 280+ kg. If she can go 290 kg without doping, then she can at least win the silver. The other two are good enough to win a bronze, but nothing more than that as they don't the ability to beat the Chinese lifters in their weight category.
2. Boxing - (Men's 51 kg-Thitisarn Panmot, Women's 54 kg-Jutamas Jitpong, Women's 50 kg-Chutamat Raksat, Women's 66 kg- Janjaem Suwannaphaeng)
While there is no Thai boxer who I consider to be a gold medal contender, a several of them have proven to be worthy of medal contention for their perfomances at they year's Worlds and Asian Games. Among these four in the list, I consider Suwannaphaeng and Panmot to be darkhorses to win gold. Suwannaphaeng won silver at both the worlds and Asian Games and from what I heard from Thai webboards, she could have beaten the Chinese world champion if their contest was held at a neutral site. Panmot is known for being more dynamic and has more offense than the typical Thai amateur boxer who genrally relies on counter attacking punches. He made the quarters in the worlds and won silver at the Asain Games. If he can be improve his fitness from this year as he is coming back from an ACL injury prior to the 2021 Olympics, he might have a chance to beat the Uzbekistani world champion. The other two are good enough to win bronze in Paris, but would need to show more to have a chance to win gold.
3. Banlung Tubtimdang- (Men's Taekwondo-58 kg???/-68 kg?????)
Tubtimdang won the silver in the worlds and gold at the Asian Games in the -63 kg category. As the -63 kg event is not in the Olympics, he has to chose whether he will try to qualify for the -58 kg event or -68 kg event. If he chooses the -58 kg, he will likely to be a notable medal contender due to his height and skillset and can be a darkhouse gold medal threat. The question is not about whether he is good enough because as some may see him in the Asian games, he has elite tier athleticism and talent, but it is about whether he has the desire and discipline to power his weight and compete in the -58 kg event where he would have a notable height and physical advantage over the competition.
4. Atthaya Thitikul (Women's Golf)
Thitikul was the number one player in the world for a good portion of 2022 before having a slight decline and now is currently the 12th ranked player in the world. Despite not winning any championships as of late, she usually makes or is near the top 10 of most of her tournaments. She definitley has elite talent and has an opportunity to win a medal pending on her form during next summer as well as the how well can she adapt to the conditions of the course that will be used for the Olympics.
Tier 3-Outsiders chance of winning a medal
1. Boxing (Men's 63.5 kg, Women's 75 kg)
There are other notable athletes that has proven to have performances that is worthy of being a medal contenter like the former world champions in badminton mixed doubles of Dechapol and Sapsiree, Skeet shooter Sutiya Jiewchaloemmit, former world champion in women's singles in badminton, Ratchanok Intanon for instance. But the reason that they and others are not included in my list because they either has past their peak and not currently good enough to compete for a medal or don't have the consistency to be counted on to win a medal.
Overall, I think the medal target to at least show some improvement from 2021 is to win 2 gold medals and to have an overall of around 4-6 medals. Personally, I think Thailand could slightly improve from how they did in Tokyo, but I can also see them failing to win any gold medals and may have a subpar performance of winning no more than 3 overall medals. The reason that I am vary about Thailand's performance in Paris is that Thai athletes in general don't handle pressure well. I think it has to do with the cultural aspect of Thais not liking to be working in high pressured environments that has contributed to such problem. I also think the fact that the country is lagging in its sport science development is the factor of why their athletes don't have the stamina and endurance that other countries do. Hence, Thailand does not have the level of success in terms of Olympic medals that other B-tier Asian countries like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Iran, Chinese Taipei or India have. It doesn't help that their sport administration capabilities is hundered by a bunch of politicians, social elites and bureaucrats coming into such positions and not implementing policies that advances the sport industry.
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Gianlu33 in Asian Games 2022
Here are some of the notes that I have regarding the Olympic event medal table:
318 out of the 329 events hosted in Paris 2024 is competed in Huangzhou. The total gold medal count is 319 due to a two gold medals given in the men's 110 meters Hurdles as Kuwait and Japan both win gold for crossing the finish line at the same time. South Korea's gold medals in Olympic events has been gradually decreasing since 2010. Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have essentially swapped places in the medal table hierarchy. In past editions, it was Kazakhstan that usaully sits in the top 4, while Uzbekistan won an average of around 4-8 Olympic events in in previous Asian Games. Now, the tables have been turned as Uzbekistan have reap the benefits of their improvement in a number of sports, especially in Judo, Rowing, Cycling, Taekwondo, Fencing, etc, while maintaining supremacy in Boxing. Conversely, Kazakhstan have their worst ever performance at an Asian Games since their first participation in 1994. Another country that is noted for improvement is Hong Kong. I believe that this is the most gold medals that they won in an Asian Games. Having Siobahn Haughey helps, but there are also other sports that they shown to be at an elite level, especially in Fencing, Sailing, Rugby and Rowing. Winning 4th place in men's football doesn't look bad for them as well. India's improvement has to be noted as well. India's pet sports such as Track and Field and Shooting carried them to their best performance in an Asian Games outside of their country. Even that, they could have done even better if their Boxing and Wrestling teams deliver at Huangzhou. While Southeast Asian countries have shown improvement in Olympic sports, it must be said that their overall performance is still a bit underwheling considering that none of them won more than three Olympic events at Huangzhou, which does not bode well for any of these country's chances to do well in Paris. While China is the undisputed number one country in Asia, I and I'm sure a number of people here don't believe that the gap between China and Japan is as big as the 144-44 gold medal count indicates. A full squad of A-tier athletes for Japan would have won a range of 70-80 events, while China's true ability should be around 120-135 gold medals in Olympic events. With that being said, while Japan send B-tier athletes in a number of sports such as Track and Field, Judo, Gymnastics, Skateboarding, Volleyball and Tennis, their A-tier athletes did underachieve in Swimming, Shooting, Table Tennis, Canoeing and Rowing. I will likely write up a blurb for the 2024 prospects of some of the countries that competed in Huangzhou in a couple of days. -
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While we are waiting for the pdf for the full results for each sport. I compiled the Asian Games medal table for the 2024 Olympic events that were contended for this competition. Here is the full medal table:
2022 Asian Games Medal Table for 2024 Olympic Events
1. China
144
88
57
289
2. Japan
44
60
55
159
3. South Korea
23
40
51
114
4. Uzbekistan
15
13
23
51
5. India
12
26
30
68
6. Bahrain
12
2
5
19
7. Chinese Taipei
9
6
12
27
8. Iran
8
11
13
32
9. Hong Kong
7
10
19
36
10. North Korea
6
10
8
24
11. Qatar
5
5
2
12
12. Kazakhstan
4
12
38
54
13. Saudi Arabia
4
2
1
7
14. Kyrgyzstan
4
1
5
10
15. Mongolia
3
4
10
17
16. Singapore
3
3
2
8
17. Indonesia
3
1
9
13
18. Thailand
2
10
16
28
19. Kuwait
2
2
2
6
20. Malaysia
2
1
13
16
21. Philippines
2
1
3
6
22. Tajikistan
2
1
2
5
23. UAE
1
2
6
9
24. Vietnam
1
1
7
9
25. Sri Lanka
1
1
2
4
26. Jordan
0
3
0
3
27. Oman
0
1
1
2
28. Turkmenistan
0
0
3
3
29. Iraq
0
0
2
2
30. Afghanistan
0
0
1
1
30. Lebanon
0
0
1
1
30 Pakistan
0
0
1
1
30 Syria
0
0
1
1
Total
319
317
401
1,037
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Josh in Asian Games 2022
As the person who actually made the medal table, here are the 11 Olympic events that were not competed in Huangzhou:
Canoeing (2): Men's and Women's Kayak Cross events
Cycling (2): Men's and Women's BMX Freestyle
Gymnastics (1): Rhythmic Gymnastics' Group All Around
Surfing (2): Men's and Women's Shortboard
Weightlifting (4): Men's -89 kg and -102 kg categories and women's -71 kg and -81 kg categories.
I did took the liberties of counting the weighlifting events of the men's +109 kg and women's +87 kg categories to be counted in the Olympic medal events count as the men's +102 kg and women's +81 kg categories as anyone who competes in the +109 kg and +87 kg events are automatically elegible to compete in the +102 kg and +81 kg categories by body weight.
You don't necessary need to take my medal table as the gospel truth as it is my arbitary way of counting these 318 events as Olympic events. I do these medal counts as one way to measure each country's preparedness for Paris 2024. If you really want a more accurate way of measuring each country's true ability, I suggest to make a live medal count out of the Asian qualification rankings of each event for Paris 2024. Regardless, to me at least, the true medal table count that matters is the 2024 Olympics medal count and the Asian rankings for each event in the 2024 Olympics.
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Roamingrover86 in Asian Games 2022
Here are some of the notes that I have regarding the Olympic event medal table:
318 out of the 329 events hosted in Paris 2024 is competed in Huangzhou. The total gold medal count is 319 due to a two gold medals given in the men's 110 meters Hurdles as Kuwait and Japan both win gold for crossing the finish line at the same time. South Korea's gold medals in Olympic events has been gradually decreasing since 2010. Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have essentially swapped places in the medal table hierarchy. In past editions, it was Kazakhstan that usaully sits in the top 4, while Uzbekistan won an average of around 4-8 Olympic events in in previous Asian Games. Now, the tables have been turned as Uzbekistan have reap the benefits of their improvement in a number of sports, especially in Judo, Rowing, Cycling, Taekwondo, Fencing, etc, while maintaining supremacy in Boxing. Conversely, Kazakhstan have their worst ever performance at an Asian Games since their first participation in 1994. Another country that is noted for improvement is Hong Kong. I believe that this is the most gold medals that they won in an Asian Games. Having Siobahn Haughey helps, but there are also other sports that they shown to be at an elite level, especially in Fencing, Sailing, Rugby and Rowing. Winning 4th place in men's football doesn't look bad for them as well. India's improvement has to be noted as well. India's pet sports such as Track and Field and Shooting carried them to their best performance in an Asian Games outside of their country. Even that, they could have done even better if their Boxing and Wrestling teams deliver at Huangzhou. While Southeast Asian countries have shown improvement in Olympic sports, it must be said that their overall performance is still a bit underwheling considering that none of them won more than three Olympic events at Huangzhou, which does not bode well for any of these country's chances to do well in Paris. While China is the undisputed number one country in Asia, I and I'm sure a number of people here don't believe that the gap between China and Japan is as big as the 144-44 gold medal count indicates. A full squad of A-tier athletes for Japan would have won a range of 70-80 events, while China's true ability should be around 120-135 gold medals in Olympic events. With that being said, while Japan send B-tier athletes in a number of sports such as Track and Field, Judo, Gymnastics, Skateboarding, Volleyball and Tennis, their A-tier athletes did underachieve in Swimming, Shooting, Table Tennis, Canoeing and Rowing. I will likely write up a blurb for the 2024 prospects of some of the countries that competed in Huangzhou in a couple of days. -
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Here are some of the notes that I have regarding the Olympic event medal table:
318 out of the 329 events hosted in Paris 2024 is competed in Huangzhou. The total gold medal count is 319 due to a two gold medals given in the men's 110 meters Hurdles as Kuwait and Japan both win gold for crossing the finish line at the same time. South Korea's gold medals in Olympic events has been gradually decreasing since 2010. Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have essentially swapped places in the medal table hierarchy. In past editions, it was Kazakhstan that usaully sits in the top 4, while Uzbekistan won an average of around 4-8 Olympic events in in previous Asian Games. Now, the tables have been turned as Uzbekistan have reap the benefits of their improvement in a number of sports, especially in Judo, Rowing, Cycling, Taekwondo, Fencing, etc, while maintaining supremacy in Boxing. Conversely, Kazakhstan have their worst ever performance at an Asian Games since their first participation in 1994. Another country that is noted for improvement is Hong Kong. I believe that this is the most gold medals that they won in an Asian Games. Having Siobahn Haughey helps, but there are also other sports that they shown to be at an elite level, especially in Fencing, Sailing, Rugby and Rowing. Winning 4th place in men's football doesn't look bad for them as well. India's improvement has to be noted as well. India's pet sports such as Track and Field and Shooting carried them to their best performance in an Asian Games outside of their country. Even that, they could have done even better if their Boxing and Wrestling teams deliver at Huangzhou. While Southeast Asian countries have shown improvement in Olympic sports, it must be said that their overall performance is still a bit underwheling considering that none of them won more than three Olympic events at Huangzhou, which does not bode well for any of these country's chances to do well in Paris. While China is the undisputed number one country in Asia, I and I'm sure a number of people here don't believe that the gap between China and Japan is as big as the 144-44 gold medal count indicates. A full squad of A-tier athletes for Japan would have won a range of 70-80 events, while China's true ability should be around 120-135 gold medals in Olympic events. With that being said, while Japan send B-tier athletes in a number of sports such as Track and Field, Judo, Gymnastics, Skateboarding, Volleyball and Tennis, their A-tier athletes did underachieve in Swimming, Shooting, Table Tennis, Canoeing and Rowing. I will likely write up a blurb for the 2024 prospects of some of the countries that competed in Huangzhou in a couple of days. -
dcmdtruefan got a reaction from El Analyzer in Asian Games 2022
Here are some of the notes that I have regarding the Olympic event medal table:
318 out of the 329 events hosted in Paris 2024 is competed in Huangzhou. The total gold medal count is 319 due to a two gold medals given in the men's 110 meters Hurdles as Kuwait and Japan both win gold for crossing the finish line at the same time. South Korea's gold medals in Olympic events has been gradually decreasing since 2010. Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have essentially swapped places in the medal table hierarchy. In past editions, it was Kazakhstan that usaully sits in the top 4, while Uzbekistan won an average of around 4-8 Olympic events in in previous Asian Games. Now, the tables have been turned as Uzbekistan have reap the benefits of their improvement in a number of sports, especially in Judo, Rowing, Cycling, Taekwondo, Fencing, etc, while maintaining supremacy in Boxing. Conversely, Kazakhstan have their worst ever performance at an Asian Games since their first participation in 1994. Another country that is noted for improvement is Hong Kong. I believe that this is the most gold medals that they won in an Asian Games. Having Siobahn Haughey helps, but there are also other sports that they shown to be at an elite level, especially in Fencing, Sailing, Rugby and Rowing. Winning 4th place in men's football doesn't look bad for them as well. India's improvement has to be noted as well. India's pet sports such as Track and Field and Shooting carried them to their best performance in an Asian Games outside of their country. Even that, they could have done even better if their Boxing and Wrestling teams deliver at Huangzhou. While Southeast Asian countries have shown improvement in Olympic sports, it must be said that their overall performance is still a bit underwheling considering that none of them won more than three Olympic events at Huangzhou, which does not bode well for any of these country's chances to do well in Paris. While China is the undisputed number one country in Asia, I and I'm sure a number of people here don't believe that the gap between China and Japan is as big as the 144-44 gold medal count indicates. A full squad of A-tier athletes for Japan would have won a range of 70-80 events, while China's true ability should be around 120-135 gold medals in Olympic events. With that being said, while Japan send B-tier athletes in a number of sports such as Track and Field, Judo, Gymnastics, Skateboarding, Volleyball and Tennis, their A-tier athletes did underachieve in Swimming, Shooting, Table Tennis, Canoeing and Rowing. I will likely write up a blurb for the 2024 prospects of some of the countries that competed in Huangzhou in a couple of days. -
dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Vic Liu in Asian Games 2022
Here are some of the notes that I have regarding the Olympic event medal table:
318 out of the 329 events hosted in Paris 2024 is competed in Huangzhou. The total gold medal count is 319 due to a two gold medals given in the men's 110 meters Hurdles as Kuwait and Japan both win gold for crossing the finish line at the same time. South Korea's gold medals in Olympic events has been gradually decreasing since 2010. Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have essentially swapped places in the medal table hierarchy. In past editions, it was Kazakhstan that usaully sits in the top 4, while Uzbekistan won an average of around 4-8 Olympic events in in previous Asian Games. Now, the tables have been turned as Uzbekistan have reap the benefits of their improvement in a number of sports, especially in Judo, Rowing, Cycling, Taekwondo, Fencing, etc, while maintaining supremacy in Boxing. Conversely, Kazakhstan have their worst ever performance at an Asian Games since their first participation in 1994. Another country that is noted for improvement is Hong Kong. I believe that this is the most gold medals that they won in an Asian Games. Having Siobahn Haughey helps, but there are also other sports that they shown to be at an elite level, especially in Fencing, Sailing, Rugby and Rowing. Winning 4th place in men's football doesn't look bad for them as well. India's improvement has to be noted as well. India's pet sports such as Track and Field and Shooting carried them to their best performance in an Asian Games outside of their country. Even that, they could have done even better if their Boxing and Wrestling teams deliver at Huangzhou. While Southeast Asian countries have shown improvement in Olympic sports, it must be said that their overall performance is still a bit underwheling considering that none of them won more than three Olympic events at Huangzhou, which does not bode well for any of these country's chances to do well in Paris. While China is the undisputed number one country in Asia, I and I'm sure a number of people here don't believe that the gap between China and Japan is as big as the 144-44 gold medal count indicates. A full squad of A-tier athletes for Japan would have won a range of 70-80 events, while China's true ability should be around 120-135 gold medals in Olympic events. With that being said, while Japan send B-tier athletes in a number of sports such as Track and Field, Judo, Gymnastics, Skateboarding, Volleyball and Tennis, their A-tier athletes did underachieve in Swimming, Shooting, Table Tennis, Canoeing and Rowing. I will likely write up a blurb for the 2024 prospects of some of the countries that competed in Huangzhou in a couple of days. -
dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Vic Liu in Asian Games 2022
While we are waiting for the pdf for the full results for each sport. I compiled the Asian Games medal table for the 2024 Olympic events that were contended for this competition. Here is the full medal table:
2022 Asian Games Medal Table for 2024 Olympic Events
1. China
144
88
57
289
2. Japan
44
60
55
159
3. South Korea
23
40
51
114
4. Uzbekistan
15
13
23
51
5. India
12
26
30
68
6. Bahrain
12
2
5
19
7. Chinese Taipei
9
6
12
27
8. Iran
8
11
13
32
9. Hong Kong
7
10
19
36
10. North Korea
6
10
8
24
11. Qatar
5
5
2
12
12. Kazakhstan
4
12
38
54
13. Saudi Arabia
4
2
1
7
14. Kyrgyzstan
4
1
5
10
15. Mongolia
3
4
10
17
16. Singapore
3
3
2
8
17. Indonesia
3
1
9
13
18. Thailand
2
10
16
28
19. Kuwait
2
2
2
6
20. Malaysia
2
1
13
16
21. Philippines
2
1
3
6
22. Tajikistan
2
1
2
5
23. UAE
1
2
6
9
24. Vietnam
1
1
7
9
25. Sri Lanka
1
1
2
4
26. Jordan
0
3
0
3
27. Oman
0
1
1
2
28. Turkmenistan
0
0
3
3
29. Iraq
0
0
2
2
30. Afghanistan
0
0
1
1
30. Lebanon
0
0
1
1
30 Pakistan
0
0
1
1
30 Syria
0
0
1
1
Total
319
317
401
1,037
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Sindo in Asian Games 2022
Here are some of the notes that I have regarding the Olympic event medal table:
318 out of the 329 events hosted in Paris 2024 is competed in Huangzhou. The total gold medal count is 319 due to a two gold medals given in the men's 110 meters Hurdles as Kuwait and Japan both win gold for crossing the finish line at the same time. South Korea's gold medals in Olympic events has been gradually decreasing since 2010. Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have essentially swapped places in the medal table hierarchy. In past editions, it was Kazakhstan that usaully sits in the top 4, while Uzbekistan won an average of around 4-8 Olympic events in in previous Asian Games. Now, the tables have been turned as Uzbekistan have reap the benefits of their improvement in a number of sports, especially in Judo, Rowing, Cycling, Taekwondo, Fencing, etc, while maintaining supremacy in Boxing. Conversely, Kazakhstan have their worst ever performance at an Asian Games since their first participation in 1994. Another country that is noted for improvement is Hong Kong. I believe that this is the most gold medals that they won in an Asian Games. Having Siobahn Haughey helps, but there are also other sports that they shown to be at an elite level, especially in Fencing, Sailing, Rugby and Rowing. Winning 4th place in men's football doesn't look bad for them as well. India's improvement has to be noted as well. India's pet sports such as Track and Field and Shooting carried them to their best performance in an Asian Games outside of their country. Even that, they could have done even better if their Boxing and Wrestling teams deliver at Huangzhou. While Southeast Asian countries have shown improvement in Olympic sports, it must be said that their overall performance is still a bit underwheling considering that none of them won more than three Olympic events at Huangzhou, which does not bode well for any of these country's chances to do well in Paris. While China is the undisputed number one country in Asia, I and I'm sure a number of people here don't believe that the gap between China and Japan is as big as the 144-44 gold medal count indicates. A full squad of A-tier athletes for Japan would have won a range of 70-80 events, while China's true ability should be around 120-135 gold medals in Olympic events. With that being said, while Japan send B-tier athletes in a number of sports such as Track and Field, Judo, Gymnastics, Skateboarding, Volleyball and Tennis, their A-tier athletes did underachieve in Swimming, Shooting, Table Tennis, Canoeing and Rowing. I will likely write up a blurb for the 2024 prospects of some of the countries that competed in Huangzhou in a couple of days. -
dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Josh in Asian Games 2022
Here are some of the notes that I have regarding the Olympic event medal table:
318 out of the 329 events hosted in Paris 2024 is competed in Huangzhou. The total gold medal count is 319 due to a two gold medals given in the men's 110 meters Hurdles as Kuwait and Japan both win gold for crossing the finish line at the same time. South Korea's gold medals in Olympic events has been gradually decreasing since 2010. Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have essentially swapped places in the medal table hierarchy. In past editions, it was Kazakhstan that usaully sits in the top 4, while Uzbekistan won an average of around 4-8 Olympic events in in previous Asian Games. Now, the tables have been turned as Uzbekistan have reap the benefits of their improvement in a number of sports, especially in Judo, Rowing, Cycling, Taekwondo, Fencing, etc, while maintaining supremacy in Boxing. Conversely, Kazakhstan have their worst ever performance at an Asian Games since their first participation in 1994. Another country that is noted for improvement is Hong Kong. I believe that this is the most gold medals that they won in an Asian Games. Having Siobahn Haughey helps, but there are also other sports that they shown to be at an elite level, especially in Fencing, Sailing, Rugby and Rowing. Winning 4th place in men's football doesn't look bad for them as well. India's improvement has to be noted as well. India's pet sports such as Track and Field and Shooting carried them to their best performance in an Asian Games outside of their country. Even that, they could have done even better if their Boxing and Wrestling teams deliver at Huangzhou. While Southeast Asian countries have shown improvement in Olympic sports, it must be said that their overall performance is still a bit underwheling considering that none of them won more than three Olympic events at Huangzhou, which does not bode well for any of these country's chances to do well in Paris. While China is the undisputed number one country in Asia, I and I'm sure a number of people here don't believe that the gap between China and Japan is as big as the 144-44 gold medal count indicates. A full squad of A-tier athletes for Japan would have won a range of 70-80 events, while China's true ability should be around 120-135 gold medals in Olympic events. With that being said, while Japan send B-tier athletes in a number of sports such as Track and Field, Judo, Gymnastics, Skateboarding, Volleyball and Tennis, their A-tier athletes did underachieve in Swimming, Shooting, Table Tennis, Canoeing and Rowing. I will likely write up a blurb for the 2024 prospects of some of the countries that competed in Huangzhou in a couple of days. -
dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Josh in Asian Games 2022
While we are waiting for the pdf for the full results for each sport. I compiled the Asian Games medal table for the 2024 Olympic events that were contended for this competition. Here is the full medal table:
2022 Asian Games Medal Table for 2024 Olympic Events
1. China
144
88
57
289
2. Japan
44
60
55
159
3. South Korea
23
40
51
114
4. Uzbekistan
15
13
23
51
5. India
12
26
30
68
6. Bahrain
12
2
5
19
7. Chinese Taipei
9
6
12
27
8. Iran
8
11
13
32
9. Hong Kong
7
10
19
36
10. North Korea
6
10
8
24
11. Qatar
5
5
2
12
12. Kazakhstan
4
12
38
54
13. Saudi Arabia
4
2
1
7
14. Kyrgyzstan
4
1
5
10
15. Mongolia
3
4
10
17
16. Singapore
3
3
2
8
17. Indonesia
3
1
9
13
18. Thailand
2
10
16
28
19. Kuwait
2
2
2
6
20. Malaysia
2
1
13
16
21. Philippines
2
1
3
6
22. Tajikistan
2
1
2
5
23. UAE
1
2
6
9
24. Vietnam
1
1
7
9
25. Sri Lanka
1
1
2
4
26. Jordan
0
3
0
3
27. Oman
0
1
1
2
28. Turkmenistan
0
0
3
3
29. Iraq
0
0
2
2
30. Afghanistan
0
0
1
1
30. Lebanon
0
0
1
1
30 Pakistan
0
0
1
1
30 Syria
0
0
1
1
Total
319
317
401
1,037
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Griff88 in Asian Games 2022
Here are some of the notes that I have regarding the Olympic event medal table:
318 out of the 329 events hosted in Paris 2024 is competed in Huangzhou. The total gold medal count is 319 due to a two gold medals given in the men's 110 meters Hurdles as Kuwait and Japan both win gold for crossing the finish line at the same time. South Korea's gold medals in Olympic events has been gradually decreasing since 2010. Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have essentially swapped places in the medal table hierarchy. In past editions, it was Kazakhstan that usaully sits in the top 4, while Uzbekistan won an average of around 4-8 Olympic events in in previous Asian Games. Now, the tables have been turned as Uzbekistan have reap the benefits of their improvement in a number of sports, especially in Judo, Rowing, Cycling, Taekwondo, Fencing, etc, while maintaining supremacy in Boxing. Conversely, Kazakhstan have their worst ever performance at an Asian Games since their first participation in 1994. Another country that is noted for improvement is Hong Kong. I believe that this is the most gold medals that they won in an Asian Games. Having Siobahn Haughey helps, but there are also other sports that they shown to be at an elite level, especially in Fencing, Sailing, Rugby and Rowing. Winning 4th place in men's football doesn't look bad for them as well. India's improvement has to be noted as well. India's pet sports such as Track and Field and Shooting carried them to their best performance in an Asian Games outside of their country. Even that, they could have done even better if their Boxing and Wrestling teams deliver at Huangzhou. While Southeast Asian countries have shown improvement in Olympic sports, it must be said that their overall performance is still a bit underwheling considering that none of them won more than three Olympic events at Huangzhou, which does not bode well for any of these country's chances to do well in Paris. While China is the undisputed number one country in Asia, I and I'm sure a number of people here don't believe that the gap between China and Japan is as big as the 144-44 gold medal count indicates. A full squad of A-tier athletes for Japan would have won a range of 70-80 events, while China's true ability should be around 120-135 gold medals in Olympic events. With that being said, while Japan send B-tier athletes in a number of sports such as Track and Field, Judo, Gymnastics, Skateboarding, Volleyball and Tennis, their A-tier athletes did underachieve in Swimming, Shooting, Table Tennis, Canoeing and Rowing. I will likely write up a blurb for the 2024 prospects of some of the countries that competed in Huangzhou in a couple of days. -
dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Griff88 in Asian Games 2022
While we are waiting for the pdf for the full results for each sport. I compiled the Asian Games medal table for the 2024 Olympic events that were contended for this competition. Here is the full medal table:
2022 Asian Games Medal Table for 2024 Olympic Events
1. China
144
88
57
289
2. Japan
44
60
55
159
3. South Korea
23
40
51
114
4. Uzbekistan
15
13
23
51
5. India
12
26
30
68
6. Bahrain
12
2
5
19
7. Chinese Taipei
9
6
12
27
8. Iran
8
11
13
32
9. Hong Kong
7
10
19
36
10. North Korea
6
10
8
24
11. Qatar
5
5
2
12
12. Kazakhstan
4
12
38
54
13. Saudi Arabia
4
2
1
7
14. Kyrgyzstan
4
1
5
10
15. Mongolia
3
4
10
17
16. Singapore
3
3
2
8
17. Indonesia
3
1
9
13
18. Thailand
2
10
16
28
19. Kuwait
2
2
2
6
20. Malaysia
2
1
13
16
21. Philippines
2
1
3
6
22. Tajikistan
2
1
2
5
23. UAE
1
2
6
9
24. Vietnam
1
1
7
9
25. Sri Lanka
1
1
2
4
26. Jordan
0
3
0
3
27. Oman
0
1
1
2
28. Turkmenistan
0
0
3
3
29. Iraq
0
0
2
2
30. Afghanistan
0
0
1
1
30. Lebanon
0
0
1
1
30 Pakistan
0
0
1
1
30 Syria
0
0
1
1
Total
319
317
401
1,037
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Josh in Badminton BWF World Tour 2023
Such a shame that Kunlavut had to retired in his semifinals match against Ginting as he experienced a shoulder injury during the match. But it was not totally unexpected considering his play style and the fact that he has been playing four straight week of world class tournaments since the Sudirman Cup.
What to look out for in this coming week's Indonesia Open is the return of Viktor Axelsen and what kind of form he will be at after a brief layoff since the end of the Sudirman Cup due to a leg injury.
Another thing I will look out for is the response of the world's # 1 Chinese mixed doubles pair of Zheng and Huang after getting knocked out in the QF at Singapore. Can they rebound and win the title in Indonesia or are they going to miss out on another championship. If the latter happens, we might be seeing a more open/competitive field in the mixed doubles event that it ever has been for quite a while. For so long, Zheng/Huang have been unstoppable until their unexpected loss at the Tokyo Olympics. They seem to be back at their best earlier this year before suffering some key loses at the Asian Championships and this week.
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dcmdtruefan reacted to Josh in Badminton BWF World Tour 2023
BWF Singapore Open- Singapore, Singapore (Super 750)
Women’s Singles
1. An Se-Yeong
2. Akane Yamaguchi
3/4. Chen Yufei
3/4. Tai Tzu Ying
Men’s Singles
1. Anthony Sinisuka Ginting
2. Anders Antonsen
3/4. Kunlavut Vitidsarn
3/4. Kodai Naraoka
Women’s Doubles
1. Chen Qingchen/Jia Yifan
2. Baek Ha-Na/Lee So Hee
3/4. Li Wen Mei/Liu Xuan Xuan
3/4. Zhang Xu Xian/Zheng Yu
Men’s Doubles
1. Takuro Hoki/Yugo Kobayashi
2. Liang Wei Keng/Wang Chang
3/4. Aaron Chia/Soh Wooi Yik
3/4. Choi Sol Gyu/Kim Won Ho
Mixed Doubles
1. Mathias Christiansen/Alexandra Bøje
2. Yuta Watanabe/Arisa Higashino
3/4. Chen Tang Jie/Toh Ee Wei
3/4. Kim Won Ho/Jeong Ya Eun
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Rdbc in Team USA Qualification Updates.
Last weekend, both the Men's and Women's FIBA 3x3 basketball teams finished within the top three of the FIBA 3x3 World Cup with the men finishing second and the women winning the world title despite losing a match in group play. Both teams have at least guaranteed a place in next year's world olympic qualification tournament. However, both the men and women have a good chance in qualifying to Paris directly via being the top 3 of the FIBA 3x3 world rankings in November.
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Rdbc in Team USA Qualification Updates.
The US Women's Rugby Sevens team have qualified to Paris after finishing in 3rd place in the 2022-23 World Rugby Women's Seven series:
https://www.world.rugby/sevens-series/standings/womens
The men's sevens team, which failed to qualified through the world sevens series after finishing 10th, will have a chance to qualify at the North & Central Americas/Caribbean qualifying tournament in August at Langford, Canada.
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Griff88 in Southeast Asian Games 2023
To give a better perspective of these games, I compiled the medal tally of this Southeast Asian Games in Olympic Events. About 196 out of 327 events that will be competed in Paris 2024 was hosted in Cambodia. This accounts only to 59 percent of the events held in 2024 being featured here in the sea games. One thing of note is that I took the liberty of counting the taekwondo events of the Men's +87 kg and the Women's +73 kg as an Olympic event of the equivalent of the Men's +80 kg and the Women's +67 kg. The logic here is that athletes who competed in the +87 kg and the +73 kg are eligible, weight wise to compete in the +80 kg and the +67 kg respectively. In the contrary, I didn't count weightlifting events of men's +89 kg and women's +71 kg to be the equivalent of the Olympic events of men's +102 kg and women's +81 kg under the logic that those who compete in the +89 kg and the +71 kg are not automatically guarantee by body weight to compete in the +102 kg and +81 kg events. Case in point, Kristel Machoron of the Philippines, who competed in the +71 kg does not have the weight to compete in the +81 kg event. So, here's the tally of the Olympic Events count:
1. Vietnam 48-40-35
2. Thailand 37-46-37
3. Singapore 37-23-36
4. Indonesia 27-23-36
5. Philippines 20-34-34
6. Malaysia 16-12-35
7. Cambodia 11-12-16
8. Myanmar 1-2-10
9. Laos 0-2-7
10. Timor-Leste 0-0-3
11. Brunei 0-0-0
And here's the tally for certain sports in Olympic events:
Athletics: 1. Thailand 16-8-5 2. Vietnam 12-20-8 3. Indonesia 7-3-9 4. Malaysia 5-3-11 5. Philippines 4-10-8 6. Singapore 3-2-5 7. Cambodia 1-0-0 8. Myanmar 0-0-2
Badminton: 1. Indonesia 4-2-3 2. Thailand 1-2-2 3. Malaysia 0-1-4 4. Singapore 0-0-1
Boxing: 1. Thailand 5-1-1 2. Philippines 2-3-1 3. Cambodia 1-2-3 4. Vietnam 1-1-1 5. Indonesia 0-2-3 6. Myanmar 0-0-4 7. Laos 0-0-1 7. Malaysia 0-0-1 7. Singapore 0-0-1 7. Timor-Leste 0-0-1
Fencing: 1. Singapore 7-3-6 2. Vietnam 4-3-3 3. Thailand 1-1-3 4. Philippines 0-5-5 5. Malaysia 0-0-4 6. Cambodia 0-0-2 7. Indonesia 0-0-1
Gymnastics (Only Men's Artistic events were hosted): 1. Vietnam 4-2-2 2. Philippines 4-2-0 3. Thailand 0-2-0 4. Indonesia 0-1-1 5. Singapore 0-1-0 6. Malaysia 0-0-5
Swimming: 1. Singapore 21-11-9 2. Vietnam 7-3-7 3. Thailand 2-10-7 4. Philippines 2-5-5 5. Malaysia 1-3-3 6. Indonesia 0-1-2
Weightlifting: 1. Philippines 2-2-1 2. Indonesia 2-1-2 3. Thailand 1-3-1 4. Vietnam 1-0-2
Wrestling: : 1. Vietnam 8-4-1 2. Indonesia 4-4-1 3. Cambodia 4-3-5 4. Philippines 1-2-3 5. Singapore 1-1-5 6. Thailand 0-4-3 7. Laos 0-0-5
Only 20 out of 32 Olympic sports were hosted at Cambodia, so this tally doesn't necessary show the full strengths and weaknesses of each country's performance nor indicative of how each country will preform in next year's Olympics. However, we can summarize that Vietnam has more depth in their expertise of most of the Olympic sports than any other country in the region, especially in the combat sports variety. Singapore is also impressive in its performance this time around, almost finishing second in the Olympic event tally. Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines and Malaysia can be consider somewhat disappointing with not showing much improvement from last year's edition.
Regarding the prospects of the SEA countries in Paris 2024, I believe that Indonesia will be the top country in the region at next year's Olympics. Indonesia is certain to win gold in Men's speed climbing and has a good chance to win in men's weightlifting and men's doubles in badminton. Indonesia can easily win about 3 gold medals and a total of 4-8 medals. Vietnam, which has been the top country in Olympic sport events for the past few editions will find it hard to win even a medal at Paris as most of its top events competes directly with China, Japan and South Korea. Their best hope is in women's boxing. Philippines will rely hardly on Carlos Yulo to win a gold medal/medals as its boxing and weightlifting programs are not guarantee to win gold or any kind of medals at Paris. Singapore could win gold in Men's Kitesurfing but don't have a Joseph Schooling or a world class table tennis team to bail them out this time around. Malaysia's hopes of any kind of medal is likely going to rest on badminton as its top stars in track cycling and diving are aging. Thailand, which has been the perennial powerhouse in the region from the late 1990's until the early 2010's, may be able to win a gold medal, but do not have the depth of world class/Asian level athletes it used to have some years ago. Considering that the country receives governmental support more so than private funding, its hopes may lie on whether the progressive coalition that won the recent general elections will be able to led the government and enact changes that can being positivity for its sports development. If the same old people, like the current Thai Olympic Committee president stays in power, expect Thailand to continue its gradual slide.
The one good thing that we can take out of this is at least for the next three editions, there will be a limit of the amount of non-Olympic/Asian Games sports hosted to only 4 sports with no more than a total of 32 events hosted. https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/sea-games-sports-programme-to-be-standardised-from-2025-to-2029
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from Olympian1010 in Southeast Asian Games 2023
To give a better perspective of these games, I compiled the medal tally of this Southeast Asian Games in Olympic Events. About 196 out of 327 events that will be competed in Paris 2024 was hosted in Cambodia. This accounts only to 59 percent of the events held in 2024 being featured here in the sea games. One thing of note is that I took the liberty of counting the taekwondo events of the Men's +87 kg and the Women's +73 kg as an Olympic event of the equivalent of the Men's +80 kg and the Women's +67 kg. The logic here is that athletes who competed in the +87 kg and the +73 kg are eligible, weight wise to compete in the +80 kg and the +67 kg respectively. In the contrary, I didn't count weightlifting events of men's +89 kg and women's +71 kg to be the equivalent of the Olympic events of men's +102 kg and women's +81 kg under the logic that those who compete in the +89 kg and the +71 kg are not automatically guarantee by body weight to compete in the +102 kg and +81 kg events. Case in point, Kristel Machoron of the Philippines, who competed in the +71 kg does not have the weight to compete in the +81 kg event. So, here's the tally of the Olympic Events count:
1. Vietnam 48-40-35
2. Thailand 37-46-37
3. Singapore 37-23-36
4. Indonesia 27-23-36
5. Philippines 20-34-34
6. Malaysia 16-12-35
7. Cambodia 11-12-16
8. Myanmar 1-2-10
9. Laos 0-2-7
10. Timor-Leste 0-0-3
11. Brunei 0-0-0
And here's the tally for certain sports in Olympic events:
Athletics: 1. Thailand 16-8-5 2. Vietnam 12-20-8 3. Indonesia 7-3-9 4. Malaysia 5-3-11 5. Philippines 4-10-8 6. Singapore 3-2-5 7. Cambodia 1-0-0 8. Myanmar 0-0-2
Badminton: 1. Indonesia 4-2-3 2. Thailand 1-2-2 3. Malaysia 0-1-4 4. Singapore 0-0-1
Boxing: 1. Thailand 5-1-1 2. Philippines 2-3-1 3. Cambodia 1-2-3 4. Vietnam 1-1-1 5. Indonesia 0-2-3 6. Myanmar 0-0-4 7. Laos 0-0-1 7. Malaysia 0-0-1 7. Singapore 0-0-1 7. Timor-Leste 0-0-1
Fencing: 1. Singapore 7-3-6 2. Vietnam 4-3-3 3. Thailand 1-1-3 4. Philippines 0-5-5 5. Malaysia 0-0-4 6. Cambodia 0-0-2 7. Indonesia 0-0-1
Gymnastics (Only Men's Artistic events were hosted): 1. Vietnam 4-2-2 2. Philippines 4-2-0 3. Thailand 0-2-0 4. Indonesia 0-1-1 5. Singapore 0-1-0 6. Malaysia 0-0-5
Swimming: 1. Singapore 21-11-9 2. Vietnam 7-3-7 3. Thailand 2-10-7 4. Philippines 2-5-5 5. Malaysia 1-3-3 6. Indonesia 0-1-2
Weightlifting: 1. Philippines 2-2-1 2. Indonesia 2-1-2 3. Thailand 1-3-1 4. Vietnam 1-0-2
Wrestling: : 1. Vietnam 8-4-1 2. Indonesia 4-4-1 3. Cambodia 4-3-5 4. Philippines 1-2-3 5. Singapore 1-1-5 6. Thailand 0-4-3 7. Laos 0-0-5
Only 20 out of 32 Olympic sports were hosted at Cambodia, so this tally doesn't necessary show the full strengths and weaknesses of each country's performance nor indicative of how each country will preform in next year's Olympics. However, we can summarize that Vietnam has more depth in their expertise of most of the Olympic sports than any other country in the region, especially in the combat sports variety. Singapore is also impressive in its performance this time around, almost finishing second in the Olympic event tally. Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines and Malaysia can be consider somewhat disappointing with not showing much improvement from last year's edition.
Regarding the prospects of the SEA countries in Paris 2024, I believe that Indonesia will be the top country in the region at next year's Olympics. Indonesia is certain to win gold in Men's speed climbing and has a good chance to win in men's weightlifting and men's doubles in badminton. Indonesia can easily win about 3 gold medals and a total of 4-8 medals. Vietnam, which has been the top country in Olympic sport events for the past few editions will find it hard to win even a medal at Paris as most of its top events competes directly with China, Japan and South Korea. Their best hope is in women's boxing. Philippines will rely hardly on Carlos Yulo to win a gold medal/medals as its boxing and weightlifting programs are not guarantee to win gold or any kind of medals at Paris. Singapore could win gold in Men's Kitesurfing but don't have a Joseph Schooling or a world class table tennis team to bail them out this time around. Malaysia's hopes of any kind of medal is likely going to rest on badminton as its top stars in track cycling and diving are aging. Thailand, which has been the perennial powerhouse in the region from the late 1990's until the early 2010's, may be able to win a gold medal, but do not have the depth of world class/Asian level athletes it used to have some years ago. Considering that the country receives governmental support more so than private funding, its hopes may lie on whether the progressive coalition that won the recent general elections will be able to led the government and enact changes that can being positivity for its sports development. If the same old people, like the current Thai Olympic Committee president stays in power, expect Thailand to continue its gradual slide.
The one good thing that we can take out of this is at least for the next three editions, there will be a limit of the amount of non-Olympic/Asian Games sports hosted to only 4 sports with no more than a total of 32 events hosted. https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/sea-games-sports-programme-to-be-standardised-from-2025-to-2029
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from bmo in Women's Softball Tournament at the Summer Olympic Games 2020
Let's hope USA's pitching would stay true against Japan while its hitting will improve as the tournament goes along.
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dcmdtruefan reacted to Dolby in Badminton at the Summer Olympic Games 2020
It seems someone has taken too many trips to Bangkok
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dcmdtruefan reacted to Griff88 in Badminton at the Summer Olympic Games 2020
Well… Praveen sometimes is more unpredictable than the weather but I have faith on him. In the projection I put them winning the BMM against Wang/Huang.
I also felt that the Thai XD improved a lot, looking at their performance from the 3 Thai tours
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dcmdtruefan got a reaction from CCB in Netherlands National Thread
I want to drop by and say hello and good luck to the Netherlands team in the 2020 Olympics.
Looking at the qualification performances and rankings of Dutch athletes in various sports, I can see the Netherlands having possible their best summer games ever.
I can see the Netherlands winning more than 10 gold medals, possible around 12-13 if things ago right of if their athletes can maintain their performances to 2019-2020 in sports such Cycling, Sailing, Rowing, Women's Handball, Athletics, etc.
I also can see you guys winning around 30-40 total medals, which would be your best overall haul in a summer Olympics.
I don't know what your local press say about your team in terms of medal expectations, but I want you to know that I have high hopes for the Dutch Olympic Team. Good luck and do your best.
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