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No brit... scottish guy in men's 5000 m, obviously afraid of Ingebrigtsen's revenge.

1 minute ago, Adriano said:

only 2 euro xd or you could watch commercials :D

Events will be broadcasted from tomorrow on by german TV. It is borderline insane to expect television to show FREAKING HEATS at 1 pm on a weekday (when athletics world championships and hockey european championships take place on the same day).

22 minutes ago, Vektor said:

Csaba Hüttner, the Hungarian head coach, says that the organization of the Worlds is terrible. They didn't get enough food, there's no AC at the hotel, and the venue isn't big enough for the combined senior + para World Champs. On top of that multiple Hungarian athletes are displeased with the starters, they say that the start of races are unpredictable. 

 

And yeah, on top of all of that we don't have TV broadcast of the semis and the heats at the Worlds where those races are very important for the Olympic qualification. I think the Hungarian TV would broadcast those races but they aren't getting a TV signal from the Germans.

 

I know nothing can be as professional in Canoe Sprint as the events held at us in Szeged, but really, we are talking about the other big Canoe Sprint nation here, I would expect more from Germany. 

Always weird when you rely on the opinion of one person to make a judgement. Of course you can decide to take his words as truth, but obviously you can't expect others to then take your comment seriously. The funny thing is that athletes also complained about the missing/insufficient AC at the athletics world championships taking place in Hungary of all places right now ...

Haven't read anything from you criticizing the organization of that competition, but maybe i just missed it?

If we add the fact that your claim that there is no streaming was apparently also wrong and that you act as if Szeged is heaven on earth when it comes to canoeing, the most likely conclusion is that you an agenda. Sadly too obvious, maybe next time.

Interested to see what Neugebauer can do in the decathlon tomorrow. Last year he scored 200 points less at worlds than he did during the college season. If the same happens again this year he will end with 8600-8650 points. On the other hand he this time had 4 more weeks to recover, which might help him.

Looks like Germany might have a chance for a quota place in women's trap. Very surpising.

Why is skeet mixed team olympic but not trap mixed team? Don't really get the reason for having individual and mixed shooting events at the olympics, seems like an overkill.

1 hour ago, Vektor said:

These repeat wins make me question if having 20k and 35k race walk events make sense. 20k and 35k just seems way too similar. They should return to 20k and 50k or have only 20k like at the Games. 

Obviously not, but the same is true in many other sports (100/200 m, swimming, track cycling, gymnastics, cross-country skiing, biathlon). Personally i would prefer if they would get rid of race walking, would free up spots for other sports/save money. If they want to keep race walking, they should at least try to make it an actual sport.

1) SB's of Josh Kerr:

2017: 3:35.99

2018: 3:35.01

2019: 3:32.52

2020: 3:34.53

2021: 3:29.05

2022: 3:30.60

2023: 3:29.38

Huge explosion after covid hit. Quite common for a lot of athletes.

2) Katir once again underperformed.

3) Progression of Olivia Gürth (same coach as Mismas and Krause):

PB before 2023/SB in 2023:

800 m: 2:07.37/2:03.70

1500 m: 4:20.59/4:14.86

3000 m: 9:42.13/9:12.76

3000 m SC: 9:47.76/9:24.28

Maybe she can break the european U23 record (9:13) next year. Her and Lea Meyer both have a shot at making the top 8 next year.

7 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

I did not see any. Kerr ran forward to his family & Ingebritsen had gone to the mixed zone by the time he came back. The other Norwegian & everyone else shook his hand.  But I guess politeness is a cultural difference.

1) There definitely was some interaction between them, but i think it was Kerr who initiated it.

2) Not sure if "politneness is a cultural difference" (doesn't really make sense, but i think i know what you tried to express), but the american (and apparently british?) way of acting best buddy with everyone isn't seen as "politeness" in other countries (for example eastern or northern europe). There is a difference between being polite and pretending to be polite.

3) Still don't understand why it is so important for some (british) people that everyone else congratulates them. Does your achievement have less value if others don't congratulate you or is it mostly about some people feeling the need to "remind" others that they beat them? I guess that is also a cultural thing ...

9 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

Have rewatched it & Ingebritsen did not congratulate Kerr at any point after the race. Extremely bad sportsmanship. 

Actually there was some interaction between them. Sadly, unlike you, i was not in position to see/hear everything that happened between them after the race, so i can't say for certain what happened. Personally i never got why it is so important that everyone hugs after the race. If an athlete is disappointed after the race, he should be allowed to get some time for himself, it is not as if Ingebrigtsen actively tried to not congratulate Kerr, it just apparently wasn't a priority for him.

14 minutes ago, Werloc said:

They probably don't want to invest in better servers, because they only suffer these traffic spikes once in two years  

That obviously is the (by far) most likely explanation. I am sure that the officials are living very comfortably (in some 5 star hotel) though.

21 minutes ago, Federer91 said:

Not this again...  Unpopular opinion apparently, but i hate, hate, HATE shared medals. Especially this way.

It is (almost) impossible to have shared golds in most other events (track, triple/long jump, throws), so it is also somewhat unfair.

Have to mention again how impressive the Netherlands are. Not sure if the competitions so far could have gone any worse for them and still they will end with a lot of medals and top 8 finishes. Could very well see them being the best european country at the olympics next year. Van Klinken, Klaver, Laros and some other could all finally break through next year.

1) Nordas improving by 7 seconds in one year after switching to Ingebrigtsen's dad ...

2) Ingebrigtsen dominating again all season long just for a scottish guy to completely explode at worlds ...

3) Why are most of the top british runners from Scotland? Rather weird given that they only account for a tiny part of the population. I guess Scotland is to GB what Norway is to the other scandinavian countries, something in the food there ...

51 minutes ago, FireRun said:

Šutej has to be one of the most unluckiest athletes out there. 2nd time in 4th place in worlds. 

Not quite the level of Silke Spiegelburg or Christopher Linke yet, but maybe she'll get there.

World Athletics is doing a pathetic job, the website is down every evening, obviously they can't handle the traffic.

1) Great atmosphere/crowd, but i hate the schedule.

2) Very impressed by Australia and Ireland so far.

3) Sadly german athletes are barely noticeable ...

57 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

And all this with ZERO competing in women's javelin. That must be the first time that ever happened in a global event?

Definitely not. Hussong could have competed, but the german federation didn't nominate her since she is completely out of shape. Looking at the level of competition she definitely would have had a shot at making the final.

Japan is looking very dangerous in men's 4 x 400 m relay. They should win a medal.

22 hours ago, lapaj said:

1: To those employees are surely good but to the country is not good!

3: In general.

5: Is this capitalism? How dare we save money to buy cheaper gas? I understand the moral side of this question, but Hungary is a poor country ( see 1:). So if we suck this is capitalism, but if something is good to Hungary we are blamed! Blackmailing with what? The EU is blackmailing Hungary! With money, with Erasmus prorgamme, or this:

https://www.politico.eu/article/suspend-hungary-eu-presidency-sanction-precaution/

 

1) How so?

3) Again: I have no problem with Hungary not wanting to spend money on refugees, not sure why you keep bringing it up. From a german perspective of course it doesn't seem very smart to pay billions of euros per year to Hungary while Hungary doesn't help with the refugee situation. German officials don't really seem to have a problem with it though.

5) I don't believe in morality. It just isn't in the best interest of Germany (or the EU in general) to "allow" Hungary to be in a position where they can easily be blackmailed by Russia into sabotaging the EU. You have an absurd definition of blackmailing if you think that the EU is blackmailing Hungary. Hungary gets billion of euros from the EU, the least they can expect in return is for Hungary to not sabotage the EU whenever Russia tells them to. Hungary is trying to play both sides and the EU should force them to decide. In the end Hungary is clearly a net negative for the EU. Hopefully in 2025 Germany will get a new government that will end this clownshow and get Germany out of the EU (very unlikely, but it isn't forbidden to dream).

Another massive underperformance by Italy. Tamberi only with the gold medal despite being tied 3rd on the entry list. Will be interesting to compare the position of the italian athletes on the entry list with the number of their medals/top 8 finishes.

Beyond disgusting improvement by Tausaga. Improving her PB by 4 m as a 25 year old ...

The Netherlands turned into a powerhouse almost over night. They used to be irrelevant and now they develop new medal contenders every year. Wouldn't be shocked if they would win 10 medals next year:

3 x Hassan

Bol

Klaver

4 x 400 m women's relay

4 x 400 m mixed relay

Van Klinken

Schilder

1-2 x Laros

Vetter/Oosterwegel

Maybe Weerman/Bouju

10 hours ago, De_Gambassi said:

https://www.sportschau.de/newsticker/dpa-aktueller-denn-je-nada-sorgt-sich-um-finanzierung-100.html

 

From that article, it doesn't seem that german anti-doping is swimming in cash. And for reference french anti doping agency has a budget of 11.2 M€ vs 12 M€ (apparently) for its german counterpart which must be about an average Bundesliga 3 team budget or something...

 

 

1) So you name one country and that country doesn't even have a higher budget?

2) Even if the german NADA would be bankrupt, it wouldn't mean anything. They could be bankrupt while getting 100 million euros a year if they wouldn't know how to manage their money. The amount of funding is one thing and the way they spend their money is another thing. Apart from that everyone (at least in Germany) always cries that they don't get enough money (german sports also constantly complain that they don't have enough money, when in reality they get more and more money every olympiad). I guess that is the best strategy to get what you need, but the fact that the amount of money the german state is spending has exploded, doesn't really fit with the narrative that everyone is always underfunded.

2 hours ago, Josh said:

 Even if Germany had Reaves, US would still be the favorite.

Obviously not, but you would only know that if you would have watched the Germany vs. USA match. Even without Reaves Germany looked better than Canada and if you would have taken Reaves off the US team and would have put him on the german team, then Germany easily would have won against the US on the second night of a back to back.

1 hour ago, lapaj said:

1: The whole story started in 1988 in Hungary! In the ex eastern block countries did not have pirvate properties only state properties! And the capitalists came and bought! Especially their rival companies! And the commies were very kind with them! 

 

I am not Orban's spokesman I do not know (and I do not care too much) what he thinks about the privatization. But the capitalists are not good samaritanians!

If you said those companies brought technologies to Hungary I would accept it! But no!

 

3: " Personally i think that western european tax payers have every right to be pissed about Orban using their money to enrich himself."

     "Agree! And the tax payers have every right to know how much money is spent to the migrants! How many of them are able to work?"

 

No clue?

 

4: Right! I answered to your fifth point!

 

5: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Product_groups_with_the_highest_share_for_Russia_in_EU_exports_upd_May_2023.png

These things hurt you too? Or Russian gas in other ships is acceptable in the EU?

 

Hungary and Romania with Georgia and Azerbaijan plans this green energy line (2022 december):

The EU welcomed the diverzifiation but do not give money !

 

1) Don't get the point you are trying to make. As far as i know hungarian people aren't forced to work for foreign companies in their country, so at least for those people it is good news that those companies invested in Hungary instead of Germany for example.

3) Still no clue. Are you talking about migrants in Hungary or other EU countries?

4) Still no clue what your point is.

5) I don't blame Hungary for using russian gas, my whole point was that a) this helps Hungary saving money (which for example allows them to spend more on other things like sport) and b) it isn't good for the EU that Hungary can easily be blackmailed by Russia into sabotaging anything the EU plans to do.

2 hours ago, phelps said:

well, Italy has a stricter anti-doping law (even the athletes could theoretically end up in jail...Schwazer had to admit all of his faults in 2012 and pay a very high prize -not only the 4 year ban, he also lost his job in the Carabinieri group and had to pay a high fine to avoid jail) and NADO is really drawing a lot of funds from the general sport account (the problem is that they spend all of them pursuing amateur athletes and being part of some plots related to the internal wars in the Italian sport system)

 

for  instead, I can only name a few episodes (all in the last 15 years, so well after the end of the former GDR histeria):

 

Deutsche Telekom, Jan Ullrich and his teammates attending Dr. Fuentes lab

Humansplasma clinic in Wien (managed by a German doctor and attended by all the best cross country skiers and biathletes of that age)

operation Aderlass

and I could add the Leipold case (Sydney 2000) and Sachenbacher when she switched to biathlon and a few more

 

not that I'm blaming  more than any other...all the Countries have their skeletons in the closet ( included...we all know who dr. Conconi and dr. Ferrari are and where they come from -just to name a couple, don't worry)

 

I'm only loughing at the idea that the German coaches/officials have a true adversion to certain methods...it's not...they're just as many others (sure, not the worst in the world, we all know that there are some "addicted" to certain methods that go way beyond the average)

I am still waiting for the list of countries with stricter anti-doping laws and a better funded NADA. Not sure why you felt comfortable enough to chime in when you clearly can't name those countries ...

The german anti-doping law also asks for athletes to land in jail (up to 3 years) and the people behind it can also end up in jail (up to 10 years). Not sure how that makes the italian law more strict?

Also not sure what the cases you named have to do with anything? Nowhere did i claim that there is no doping in Germany, but that the consequences of getting caught are more severe and that athletes and coaches are more hesitant to use doping. Also there is less incentive to dope (since the medal bonuses in Germany are laughable and unless you are a soccer player, it is almost impossible to earn a decent living as an athlete). You can compare how Armstrong and Ulrich were treated after getting caught if you want to see the difference between the US and Germany (Ulrich destroying his life (becoming a drug addict) + german TV not showing the Tour de France anymore). Also not sure why you feel the need to mention things that german nationals did in other countries? You are basically proving my point (german officials couldn't keep their doping going in Germany, so they went abroad). Another interesting case (if you want to educate yourself) would be Armin Klümper. When athletes like Sachenbacher, Ulrich, Klöden, Friesinger, Niemann-Stirnemann, Baumann or Schumann were at their peak, Germany was far more successful in classic endurance sports like cycling, cross-country skiing, rowing or speed skating. You might ask yourself why Germany became completely irrelevant in those sports (did they forget everything or weren't they willing/able anymore to use the same methods that made them successful before)? Also if i remember correctly Sachenbacher only got "banned" for 5 days, if that is one of the biggest cases you could find, then that isn't very convincing. Interestingly enough her coach at that time was a certain Wolfgang Pichler, who later went on to rebuild the swedish biathlon team from scratch ... (i am sure you see a pattern here). You have clearly shown that you aren't really familiar with german sport or the doping discussion in Germany. I think you only really know how hot this topic is if you are actually german. After everything that happened in the GDR (doping children, athletes dying, doping athletes without their knowledge), this topic is completely "burned" in Germany. I think the only people in Germany that are treated worse than dopers (and their coaches) are pedophiles. I don't think that you can compare it with the situation in any other country. Would be like comparing the antisemitism/right-wing politics discussion in Germany with the same discussion in other countries. It absolutely doesn't compare.

Other interesting (former GDR) coaches you might want to look into:

Jürgen Gröbler (rowing coach who went to )

Jutta Lau (rowing coach who went to )

Uwe Hohn & Klaus Bartonietz (athletics coaches who went to India, former coaches of olympic champion Neeraj Chopra)

Dieter Kollark (athletics coach who went to China, former coach of olympic champion Gong Lijiao)

Wolfgang Pichler (biathlon coach who coached in  and now )

Markus Cramer (cross-country skiing coach who coached in  and Cologna, now coaches in  ...)

Joachim Franke (former coach of Claudia Pechstein)

Gabriele Fuß & Stephan Gneupel (former coach of Gunda Niemann-Stirnemann)

Ekkart Arbeit (athletics coach who worked in  and ,  wanted to hire him before their home olympics in 2000)

Klaus Rudolph (swimming coach who worked in )

Heiko Salzwedel (track cycling coach who worked in  and )

Hartmut Buschbacher (rowing coach who worked in  & )

Frank Rogall (rowing coach who worked in )

Harald Jährling (rowing coach who worked in )

Eberhard Mund (rowing coach who worked in )

Theodor Körner (rowing coach who worked in )

Wolfgang Richter (swimming coach who worked in )