[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[NearPup 3,506]

53 minutes ago, Vic Liu said:

But as a politician like Trudeau have to understand politics is not calling for help from media and asking for signatures. All these moves are extremely naive in China's eyes. China don't believe in American-style "law and order" and believe in tit for tat retaliation. As a politician he should be aware of it and make decision based on this. NK is just an example, never mind.

I think the Chinese government way overestimates how much the average Canadian cares about the two Michaels. In Canada it's perceived as China not understanding that we have rule of law and that there is nothing we can do for them, no matter how many people they decide to cruelly hurt.

 

Trudeau is not suffering any political cost for acting the way he is, if nothing else the only attacks he is fielding is that he's been too accommodating of China in this entire process. That's a convenient attack (it's unlikely any other government would have done much more), but there is no Canadian government that would cave here. Having a reputation for having an impartial and fair justice system is paramount to getting foreign investments for a small country like Canada. If our executive starts to meddle with the judicial system the economic cost would be extremely high.

[NearPup 3,506]

3 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

Trudeau survived the attorney general interference so it's rather clear he can get involved and get away with it

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/14/trudeau-broke-ethics-law-in-snc-lavalin-case-watchdog-rules

He barely survived against an extremely weak opponent. And he's facing the prospect of an election at any moment because of this specific scandal (since we have a hung parliament at the moment).

 

Trudeau also has a reputation (fairly or unfairly) of being extremely soft on China, so a scandal that involves specifically caving to China could be extremely damaging. Especially when the only thing Canada would get in return for Trudeau caving is... nothing (i.e. a return to the status quo).

[Vic Liu 1,693]

2 minutes ago, NearPup said:

I think the Chinese government way overestimates how much the average Canadian cares about the two Michaels. In Canada it's perceived as China not understanding that we have rule of law and that there is nothing we can do for them, no matter how many people they decide to cruelly hurt.

 

Trudeau is not suffering any political cost for acting the way he is, if nothing else the only attacks he is fielding is that he's been too accommodating of China in this entire process. That's a convenient attack (it's unlikely any other government would have done much more), but there is no Canadian government that would cave here. Having a reputation for having an impartial and fair justice system is paramount to getting foreign investments for a small country like Canada. If our executive starts to meddle with the judicial system the economic cost would be extremely high.

I understand after the trial begins Trudeau can't do much, he can't meddle in the case. But it's his call to detain Ms Meng at the very beginning. This is the start of the story. The whole explanation you said is well known by most educated Chinese. But it just don't justify the move. Because this case is not an economic crime, it's a political battle between US and China. The name of crime is that US forbids any enterprise doing business with Iran but Huawei did and then US could ask Canada detain its CFO. Don't use beautiful wording to explain the rule of order.  Use common sense to think Should Canada get involve this case? Does it sound like a case or political trap? 

[Monzanator 4,785]

10 minutes ago, NearPup said:

He barely survived against an extremely weak opponent. And he's facing the prospect of an election at any moment because of this specific scandal (since we have a hung parliament at the moment).

 

Trudeau also has a reputation (fairly or unfairly) of being extremely soft on China, so a scandal that involves specifically caving to China could be extremely damaging. Especially when the only thing Canada would get in return for Trudeau caving is... nothing (i.e. a return to the status quo).

But this case proved he can get away with it and that's the most important thing. He's not gonna lose his job over meddling with any court proceedings IMO. Hail to the democracy!

 

If Trump called him to lock Meng up and he obeyed then he's just a mere servant on the global scale. And even Joe Biden would know that right now.

[Olympian1010 8,235]

Second mass shooting in a week 

 

 

 

 

 

[Monzanator 4,785]

Well, it was about time USA reminded us why it's the land of mass shootings. Even COVID can't keep that away for too long.

 

If there are no blacks or Asians among the victims nobody will care about that shooting anyway IMO.

[Grassmarket 4,063]

3 hours ago, Monzanator said:

Well, it was about time USA reminded us why it's the land of mass shootings. Even COVID can't keep that away for too long.

 

If there are no blacks or Asians among the victims nobody will care about that shooting anyway IMO.

Now that we know the shooter’s name & politico-religious ideology....the story is going to disappear faster than snow in Ecuador.  

[Winterless 28]

18 hours ago, Vic Liu said:

I understand after the trial begins Trudeau can't do much, he can't meddle in the case. But it's his call to detain Ms Meng at the very beginning. This is the start of the story. The whole explanation you said is well known by most educated Chinese. But it just don't justify the move. Because this case is not an economic crime, it's a political battle between US and China. The name of crime is that US forbids any enterprise doing business with Iran but Huawei did and then US could ask Canada detain its CFO. Don't use beautiful wording to explain the rule of order.  Use common sense to think Should Canada get involve this case? Does it sound like a case or political trap? 

Second this mate. Most ordinary Chinese fully understand that Trudeau has a reputation to uphold and any sane gov't official should not meddle with the judicial system. But the whole brouhaha was not about law and order to begin with. If the Canadian gov't would not admit they detain Meng because of political reasons to support the closest ally (US), then fine. No need to be so indignant when retaliation ensues.  

[Dragon 2,033]

2 hours ago, Grassmarket said:

Now that we know the shooter’s name & politico-religious ideology....the story is going to disappear faster than snow in Ecuador.  

And replaced by a general gun control story

 

[Grassmarket 4,063]

Biden is incapable of handling the border crisis so he has to get Harris to do it,

 

Then, during a meeting with the Press to announce the decision, he gets completely lost & confused and his Chief of Staff has to scramble to close the meeting.

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/ron-turning-joe-biden-gets-confused-chief-staff-asks-press-leave-room-video/