Sailing WS World Championships 2023

[phelps 7,868]

  On 8/10/2023 at 11:19 PM, Rafa Maciel said:

Prepping for the action to get underway, have stumbled across a couple of quota predictions - presented here for information only and not as a representation of my own expectations 

 

Men's 49er

"Virtually Certain to Qualify":

 Lambriex / Van De Werken

 Botin / Trittel

 

"Likely to Qualify":

 McHardie / McKenzie

 Buksak / Wierzbicki

 Peters / Sterritt

 Sime Fantela / Mihovil Fantela

 Ian Barrows / Hans Henken

 

They then have 16 nations fighting it out for the remaining 3 quotas.

 

Women's 49er FX

"Virtually Certain to Qualify":

 Odile Van Aanholt / Annette Duetz

 Martine Gracel / Kahena Kunze

 Vilma Bobeck / Rebecca Netzler

 Stephanie Roble / Maggie Shea

 

"Likely to Qualify":

 Tamara Echegoyen / Paula Barcelo

 Isaura Maenhaut / Anouk Geurts

 Helene Naess / Marie Ronningen

 

They then have 15 nations who could potentially fill the remaining 3 berths. 

 

Source: International 49er Class Association » 2023 World Sailing Championship

 

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maybe the  in that area of the women's 49er FX are a bit overestimated...

and surely  is in the mix above  and  

[phelps 7,868]

  On 8/11/2023 at 12:19 AM, Rafa Maciel said:

Nacra 17 potential quotas:

 

"Almost a Lock"

 Ruggero Tita / Caterina Banti

 

"Should Qualify"

 John Gimson / Anna Burnet

 Sinem Kurtbay / Akseli Keskinen

 Paul Kohlhoff / Alica Stuhlemmer

 

"Likely to Qualify"

 Micah Wilkinson / Erica Dawson

 Laila van der Meer / Bjarne Bouwer

 Emil Jarudd / Hanna Jonsson

 

Fighting it out for the remaining 2 quotas, they have 9 nations including , , ,  and 

 

Source: Nacra17.org » 2023 World Sailing Championship

 

 

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 is a bad miss by them, and  and  imho are ahead of the 3 crews listed as "likely to qualify" ( actually "should qualify" if the waves are not that big and the wind isn't too strong)

 

p.s. "almost a lock" OK, but it might well be Ugolini/Giubilei instead of the Olympic Champions ( also is "almost a lock")

[Siddhartha Talukdar 235]

  On 8/10/2023 at 10:51 PM, Rafa Maciel said:

Can't say that I am overly impressed with their online presence - they can't even put the entry lists up by crew. 

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https://thehague2023.sailing.org/notice-board/

[Vektor 3,326]

  On 8/11/2023 at 9:27 AM, phelps said:

yes, unfortunately it's only a minimum effort by the sh*tty world sailing...if they can't cover at least their main event happening once every 4 years, they'd be better close everything down... 

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Yeah, sailing appears to be a mess of a sport. If you can't follow 90% of the action at the World champs on TV, maybe that sport doesn't belong on the Olympic program. This isn't even a case where you only miss unimportant parts of the competition. The medals and even the gold medal can be decided based on races that you are unable to watch. We are in 2023, I don't know how this is acceptable for an Olympic sport. How can sailing can away with this while pentathlon is in danger because someone punched a horse. 

[phelps 7,868]

  On 8/11/2023 at 11:25 AM, Vektor said:

Yeah, sailing appears to be a mess of a sport. If you can't follow 90% of the action at the World champs on TV, maybe that sport doesn't belong on the Olympic program. This isn't even a case where you only miss unimportant parts of the competition. The medals and even the gold medal can be decided based on races that you are unable to watch. We are in 2023, I don't know how this is acceptable for an Olympic sport. How can sailing can away with this while pentathlon is in danger because someone punched a horse. 

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the problem with world sailing is exclusively about money, they're almost going bankrupt (actually, they went bankrupt during the pandemic, but they were somehow saved by the IOC and some not so transparent financial help)

 

still, I think that at least your crown jewel event should be covered in full...and this is not happening right now (4 years ago they had a daily feed with many races covered live also during the preliminary stages, not only the medal races)

[Joshi 126]

Let's be honest sailing is the America's Cup. I mean most of the time Olympic sailing is a borefest. Quite uninspiring and more often than not, not very spectacular. The kitefoil is a farce and how the heck was that event added in?

[Agger 1,664]

  On 8/11/2023 at 12:46 PM, Joshi said:

Let's be honest sailing is the America's Cup. I mean most of the time Olympic sailing is a borefest. Quite uninspiring and more often than not, not very spectacular. The kitefoil is a farce and how the heck was that event added in?

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Can't say about kite, but I personally prefer Olympic sailing to America's cup.

[phelps 7,868]

  On 8/11/2023 at 12:46 PM, Joshi said:

Let's be honest sailing is the America's Cup. I mean most of the time Olympic sailing is a borefest. Quite uninspiring and more often than not, not very spectacular. The kitefoil is a farce and how the heck was that event added in?

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I agree (in part)

 

America's Cup is just on another level...and I must say that I'd like to drop a few of the current classes to get the AC class at the Olympics (if not the proper AC boats -too big, too many people on board- at least the Sail GP format is perfectly feasible, imho)

 

however, I think that the most important thing in sailing coverage is a very reliable tv director that knows what he's doing

 

most times they just can't understand what's going on and so it all becomes a mess

 

honestly, I enjoyed a lot the last 2 Olympics...the tv coverage was quite good

 

 

back to today, already a few surprising results in day 1 of the world champs...

 

from an Italian perspective, happy to see Tita/Banti in good shape, winning their first 2 races

 

not so good, instead, the other crews, especially the mixed 470, where we expect to make at least the medal race (and it looks already impossible after only 2 races )

[phelps 7,868]

about the current olympic classes, I agree with @Joshi on the Kite thing...

 

who thought it was something worth the Olympic stage should be bloody whipped live on tv  

 

and please, bring back the RS:X windsurfing instead of iQFoiL! 

[phelps 7,868]

3 classes have already finished their preliminary races and from tomorrow they will be divided into gold/silver/bronze fleet, with only those on the gold fleet competing for the medals and the Olympic Quota Places

 

the situation so far...

 

men's Skiff (49er), 10 OQP available, 9 races completed, 6 to go before the medal race

 

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everything still very open, even if  and  look to be the clear favourite for gold and silver and the top 7 have built quite some margin over the rest of the fleet for the medal race and the OQPs

 

women's Skiff (49er FX), 10 OQP available, 9 races completed, 6 to go before the medal race

 

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 already with the gold medal in their hands,  and  look to have a slight advantage over the rest of the field for the "minor" medals and then we have a fleet divided into more small groups with a hole in between them (5th to 9th, 10th to 13th, 14th to 17th) but all of them still fighting for the last OQPs

those from the 20th place on, look to be already out of contention for all the targets

 

mixed Multihull (Nacra 17), 9 OQP available, 9 races completed, 6 to go before the medal race

 

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 are back to their usual dominant form (they've won all the races but 1 -when they were 2nd- so far) and are likely to win another world title

 look strong and have a small margin over  in the fight for silver and bronze

 and  are also still in contention for the medals and all the top 5 look safe for the OQP

the remaining 4 OQPs should go to those currently placed up to the 10th place, with only  still having a remote chance to make the medal race, but it's a big if, as they are already 11 points behind  and have the 3rd Italian crew (2020 world champions Bissaro/Frascari) in between

the next eligible crew  are already 31 points off the current 10th place

 

Edited August 13, 2023 by phelps