Wrestling 2023 Discussion Thread

[MHSN 3,621]

On 1/26/2023 at 2:23 AM, MHSN said:

Ivan Yarygin tournament will start in Russia tomorrow.

 

Olympic Champions Uguev and Sidakov won the gold. G. Rashidov lost the final to Mammedov. A. Magomedov also lost to someone called "Mekhtikhanov" and settled for bronze.

 

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in another news, Brackets are out for the freestyle competition of Zagreb Open. not as good as the original entry list. some big names like G. Petriashvili, Ravi Kumar and J. Cox didn't travel to Croatia after all.

 

we have a very big team in Greco, I will get to that later but in freestyle Iran sent a small team of 6 wrestlers but they are all our #1 or #2. I think 2 or 3 of them should win the gold easily. but there are two matches I'm mostly interested to see. Emami vs Salkazanov (which will happen in the 2nd round) and a possible Azarpira/Snyder final at 97kg.

 

UWW is awarding some prize money for the first time but that's almost nothing, I think you can earn 10 times more by just one match in Russia PWL league.

[phelps 7,678]

 Zagreb Open

 

men's Freestyle Champions

-57kg: Aliabbas Rzazade
-61kg: Reza Atri
-65kg: Tulga Tumur Ochir
-70kg: Alec Pantaleo
-74kg: Jason Michael Nolf
-79kg: Alì Savadkouhi
-86kg: Hassan Yazdani
-92kg: Kollin Raymond Moore
-97kg: Kyle Frederick Snyder
-125kg: Amir Hossein Zare

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by phelps
fixed a pair of Names

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20 hours ago, phelps said:

-61kg: Reza Atri

-79kg: Alì Bakhtiar Savadkouhi
-86kg: Hassan Yazdani
-125kg: Amir Zare

 

I know it's almost impossible for non-Iranians to find the "correct" name of Iranian wrestlers, since UWW messes all names by adding father names. it's probably impossible to know which part is "his" name and which part should be dropped. but the 79kg guy is just Ali (the other part is his father's name) and 125kg is the opposite! his name is Amir Hossein (not just Amir)

 

for whatever reason UWW commentators enjoy to call him simply "Amir Zare" it's quite normal for people with a two-part name to use just one of them but Zare doesn't.

 

as for the competition, all 6 Iranians made it to the final and Iran finished with 4 golds and 2 silvers, but before getting too excited those results were expected because of the level of competition, Yazdani and Zare can beat these guys 100 out of 100 matches. this tournament was too easy for them.

Atri is still Atri, watching him is not good for people with heart issues. I know he is a nice guy but I just hate watching him on the mat. Savadkouhi had some great wins over big names like Kadimagomedov, Sidakov and Burroughs recently but then his final was disappointing, winning only 2-1 by a caution. Azarpira lost to Snyder in the final, I wasn't expecting more, he is still far behind the best of the world in this weight, his 10-0 win over Tsakulov in World Cup couple months ago was a fluke IMO.

 

but Emami losing the final to Nolf was the biggest disappointment here, he dominated Salkazanov earlier and it looked finally he is becoming World Champion material but then nope, not yet. still he is our best chance at 74kg. we have great wrestlers at 65kg, 86kg, 97kg and 125kg. I think 57kg is already lost and we can't find a solid wrestler for Paris. which leaves 74kg as the only question mark. Emami lost only 2-2 to Kyle Dake in Belgrade which made lots of people think he can beat Dake next time but I still don't think so.

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18 minutes ago, MHSN said:

he dominated Salkazanov

Ouch...That´s not something I wanted to read in a Olympic qualifier year

 

Looking at results (I didn´t see anything from this tournament, but I will definitely look for some highlights later) I see he lost also in the repechage to Japan... Hopefully it is only start of the season shape style and is peaking for the later most important parts of the year, otherwise this has enormous disappointement and hard ice shower written all over our expectations

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2 hours ago, MHSN said:

I know it's almost impossible for non-Iranians to find the "correct" name of Iranian wrestlers, since UWW messes all names by adding father names. it's probably impossible to know which part is "his" name and which part should be dropped. but the 79kg guy is just Ali (the other part is his father's name) and 125kg is the opposite! his name is Amir Hossein (not just Amir)

 

for whatever reason UWW commentators enjoy to call him simply "Amir Zare" it's quite normal for people with a two-part name to use just one of them but Zare doesn't.

 

as for the competition, all 6 Iranians made it to the final and Iran finished with 4 golds and 2 silvers, but before getting too excited those results were expected because of the level of competition, Yazdani and Zare can beat these guys 100 out of 100 matches. this tournament was too easy for them.

Atri is still Atri, watching him is not good for people with heart issues. I know he is a nice guy but I just hate watching him on the mat. Savadkouhi had some great wins over big names like Kadimagomedov, Sidakov and Burroughs recently but then his final was disappointing, winning only 2-1 by a caution. Azarpira lost to Snyder in the final, I wasn't expecting more, he is still far behind the best of the world in this weight, his 10-0 win over Tsakulov in World Cup couple months ago was a fluke IMO.

 

but Emami losing the final to Nolf was the biggest disappointment here, he dominated Salkazanov earlier and it looked finally he is becoming World Champion material but then nope, not yet. still he is our best chance at 74kg. we have great wrestlers at 65kg, 86kg, 97kg and 125kg. I think 57kg is already lost and we can't find a solid wrestler for Paris. which leaves 74kg as the only question mark. Emami lost only 2-2 to Kyle Dake in Belgrade which made lots of people think he can beat Dake next time but I still don't think so.

I give up!

I just came to a conclusion...I will never learn how to manage the Iranian names! I'm just gonna copy & paste the (surely wrong) UWW data...

just kidding...you know that I'm always willing to learn, so, thanks for your patience and your valuable explaination 

 

 

by the way, there are some results from Yesterday and Today:

 

 

 Zagreb Open

 

women's Wrestling Champions (Part #1)

 

-50kg: Yui Susaki
-55kg: Moe Kiyooka
-59kg: Anastasia Nichita
-62kg: Sakura Motoki
-65kg: Mahiro Yoshitake
-68kg: Koumba Selene Fanta Larroque

 

men's Greco-Roman Champions (Part #1)

 

-77kg: Mohammadali Geraei
-87kg: Istvan Takacs

 

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2 hours ago, phelps said:

I give up!

I just came to a conclusion...I will never learn how to manage the Iranian names! I'm just gonna copy & paste the (surely wrong) UWW data...

just kidding...you know that I'm always willing to learn, so, thanks for your patience and your valuable explaination 

 

Yeah I know there is no clear formula to follow. this is just how we know these guys.

 

Iranian naming system is completely similar to yours, givenname + surname. that's it. but the problem is some names are consisted of more than just one part which confuses non-Iranian readers. there is no clear formula. some people use just one part, some use the whole thing. when it comes to the surname, 99% people only use the first part but there are lots of exceptions for example the current dictator who is in a mission to burn the country to the ground is known by the 2nd part of his surname)

 

UWW makes it worse and more confusing by adding the father name right after the givenname. (probably to avoid confusion when two wrestlers share exactly the same name)

Edited February 3, 2023 by MHSN

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11 hours ago, phelps said:

women's Wrestling Champions (Part #1)

 

-50kg: Yui Susaki

Jiang Zhu became the first wrestler since 2019 to score a point against Yui Susaki. Susaki won Olympic Gold and World Championships in the meantime. 

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 Zagreb Open

 

women's Wrestling Champions (Part #2)

 

-53kg:  Akari Fujinami
-57kg:  Sae Nanjo
-72kg:  Skylar Grote
-76kg:  Yelena Makoyed

 

men's Greco-Roman Champions (Part #2)

 

-55kg:  Poya Dadmarz
-60kg:  Mehdi Mohsennejad

-63kg:  Taleh Mammadov

-67kg:  Husiyuetu

-72kg:  Selcuk Can

-82kg:  Alireza Mohmadi

-97kg:  Kiril Milov

-130kg:  Oscar Pino Hinds

 

 

@MHSN hope the Iranian names are correct (but I have a lot of doubts) 

Edited February 6, 2023 by phelps
Fixed some names

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55 minutes ago, phelps said:

-55kg:  Poya Dad Marz
-60kg:  Mehdi Mohsen Nejad

-82kg:  Alireza Mohmadi

 

@MHSN hope the Iranian names are correct (but I have a lot of doubts) 

yeah almost it should be Dadmarz and Mohsennejad (the 2nd part is just a suffix, not a separate word) but it's their own fault to write there names this way

 

about the competition, winning 4G, 4S and 5 B out of 18 wrestlers sounds good but only 1 or 2 wrestlers really satisfied me. except 4 more wrestlers (our biggest names) who didn't wrestle here and I think will wrestle in Egypt later this month, this is all we got. some performances here were really worrisome. it was part of our trial system this year and they had to be in a good shape, this is just beginning of the season excuse doesn't apply here.

 

I also wanted to write something about Oscar Pino. he is probably the 2nd best wrestler in the world in this weight, I have no idea why he didn't wrestle at 2021 and 2022 Worlds but from what I saw today he will be clear favorite for the gold in Belgrade, even in front of Kayaalp. he ate everybody alive here. from what I heard Mijain Lopez is preparing for the 2024 Olympics, it will be a shame if one of these 2 guys have to sit out. actually I'm surprised nobody tried to "buy" him yet. he is 99% guaranteed medal

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30 or 40 Turkish wrestlers missing in that destructive earth quake that hit Turkey and Syria this morning , 7.8 on Richter scale , also some footballers , volleyball  and technicians are missing , total disaster in both Turkey and Syrian coastal areas