[OFF TOPIC] Russia-Ukraine War

[Vektor 3,326]

Well, Zelenskyy just completely ruined the last bit good relations between Hungary and Ukraine. 

 

It was leaked today that Zelenskyy suggested to blow up the Druzhba pipeline, which would cripple Hungary.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/zelenskyy-proposed-bombing-a-russian-pipeline-leaked-documents-show-2023-5

 

Awful suggestion in the eyes of Hungarians, this would seen as a direct attack on Hungary as it would greatly damage our country. I am on the side of Ukraine, but Zelenskyy made a huge diplomatic mistake here. 

 

I can already tell you that Zelenskyy will be even more of a hated political leader in Hungary from now on.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Vektor

[heywoodu 15,336]

Good news, it looks like things are going batshit crazy in Russia in the past hours, with Wagner mercenary group leader Prigozhin basically declaring war on the Russian ministry of defence after one of Wagner's camps was allegedly bombed by Russia. That would be fantastic, like two gangs of criminals killing off each other. If the 'official' Russian army and the semi-official Russian army (Wagner) fight each other....best-case scenario, more or less. Fewer of those terrorists to fight against Ukraine.

[Monzanator 4,610]

Prigozhin has been talking negative things about the regular Army for some time. This suggests he is being allowed to say that by someone real high... i.e. Putin himself. Putin might not be able to openly criticize the Army since that might cause a true revolt but if a third party does that then it's suddenly Putin's gain.

[heywoodu 15,336]

  On 6/23/2023 at 10:03 PM, Monzanator said:

Prigozhin has been talking negative things about the regular Army for some time. This suggests he is being allowed to say that by someone real high... i.e. Putin himself. Putin might not be able to openly criticize the Army since that might cause a true revolt but if a third party does that then it's suddenly Putin's gain.

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Yep. Whatever the case, tonight's developments seem to be significantly more serious than Prigozhin's previous red-headed nonsense ("We will leave Bakhmut for real now!" for a couple of months, for example). Which is great of course, the more Russian fighters - be it army or Wagner - kill each other, the better.

Edited June 23, 2023 by heywoodu

[Vektor 3,326]

This is either some insane misdirection or an actual coup attempt. I am guessing we will find out soon, this will go down very quickly if it's a coup. 

[Monzanator 4,610]

If Prigozhin goes for an actual coup attempt - against both Putin & the Army - then he is way more stupid than anyone thought and this will be over real fast.

[LDOG 2,424]

Hope it's the most fun option (coup) but it sounds too dumb to be true. Probably some sort of staging to justify another military purge (boring).

[LDOG 2,424]

It's legit, confirmed by Vlady. 

 

Let's go grab the popcorn.

  

 

[heywoodu 15,336]

  On 6/23/2023 at 11:10 PM, Monzanator said:

If Prigozhin goes for an actual coup attempt - against both Putin & the Army - then he is way more stupid than anyone thought and this will be over real fast.

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So far Rostov is in his hands, so there's a start. Not like that is necessarily good....I mean, megalomaniac Putin or drugged up war criminal Prigozhin, it's not like one really is better than the other.

 

Might even be better to have the total mess that is the Russian army keep trying their stuff in Ukraine than have the way more organized Wagner take over. Anyhow, the more they kill each other, the better of course.

[Vektor 3,326]

Prigozhin either knows that a large part of the Russian army is somehow on his side or this is the craziest suicide attempt ever. Either way, this is insanity.