Summer Olympic Games 2020 Medal Count

[Fly_like_a_don 1,162]

5 hours ago, Makedonas said:

But I hope that this can be a lesson to all of these countries (Turkey, Azerbaijan etc) that you don't need to naturalize athletes to win a lot of medals.

I'm happy for Turkey winning 13 medals though I expect 1-2 gold more. 

 

Azerbaijan went from 17 medals in Rio to 7 in Tokyo. Just shows naturalizing athletes are not sustainable. They can't medal everytime. When they fail to medal or get injured you realise there isn't a talent pool from your country which can replace them, so you just use the same athletes. 

 

I prefer pure original athletes from a nation at least born there or staying there from a very very young age

[Makedonas 2,263]

13 minutes ago, Fly_like_a_don said:

I prefer pure original athletes from a nation at least born there or staying there from a very very young age

Exactly, another reason why I am proud of Greece because we did everything on our own. The only athlete we had in Tokyo who did not live most of their life in Greece was Stamatia Scarvelis in the women's hammer throw, who is from USA but both of her parents are Greeks. Everyone else was born and lived their whole lives in Greece or came to Greece at very young ages.

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14 hours ago, konig said:

Well, first of all im glad to read so many users to express their happiness for their countrys performances but, in my case, im in the group of MHSN (but stronger), my country pass for 3 G and 1 S in Rio to 1 S and 2 B, with 177 athletes (its true, 7 teams), we did exactly the same performance in the medal table like San Marino with only 5 athletes......

 

Of course there are particulars reasons of any athlete and sport but in general reasons i see: 1) clearly less budget than Rio for desicion of the last goverment and being continue with the current, 2) The goverment forbidden for months to get out from our homes and the athltes cant train, the swimmer Pignatiello of 800/1500 meter trains for months in the 2 m swimming pool of their own house and Suarez from rowing was close to go to jail for train ALONE in a river, for say some examples and 3) dont exist a good renovation, we have the same "old glorys" to try to be medallist again, many retired after this games and the yourh olympic games of Buenos Aires 2018 are clearly wasted, only Pignatiello (if i dont remember bad) was the only one who was there and being in this olympics.

 

I dont believe it will be a an important decision to make the situation better, so im not optimistic for Paris.

As long as local clubs survive and put kids into sport + national federations keep proving some kind of "professional structure" to the elite players, we'll remain competitive in team sports. That's the only succesful "sports policy" we have. But individual talents will be wasted with no incentives, 2018 YOG won't have any lasting effect and that's terrible.

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9 hours ago, Maxim Fastovsky said:

@DnlAmazing haul for Israel, with record in medals, and 2 golds. New medals in Taekwondo and Gymnastics. 5th place twice i believe in Judo, 4th place in swimming open water. And many crying russians, which is like the icing on the cake

Over 20 finals and 65/90 athletes reached 10 place or better, 4 medals in 3 new sports for us and Judo of course 2G 2B is 2X better then Athens, and like you said  the Russian at the moment are acting like they reached ROC bottom..

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2 hours ago, Fly_like_a_don said:

I'm happy for Turkey winning 13 medals though I expect 1-2 gold more. 

 

Azerbaijan went from 17 medals in Rio to 7 in Tokyo. Just shows naturalizing athletes are not sustainable. They can't medal everytime. When they fail to medal or get injured you realise there isn't a talent pool from your country which can replace them, so you just use the same athletes. 

 

I prefer pure original athletes from a nation at least born there or staying there from a very very young age

Money spent on buying athletes from abroad is money wasted: money spent on hiring coaches from abroad is money invested.

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11 hours ago, Nickyc707 said:

Is it France underperforming, other countries raising their game for the Olympics or a combination of the two? You mentioned disappointing results in athletics and swimming but I was also shocked by the results from cycling a sport in which historically France has been the most successful nation.

 

It's difficult to believe that France won't get a bounce in Paris but what are the powers that be doing to ensure it happens? Is there anyone out there putting any pressure on them or don't people care?

Definitely both. Triathlon is another fine exemple of that.

 

A sort of UK Sport has been set up a couple years ago (Agence Nationale du Sport) mainly to tackle the high performance sector of french sport. Former - very successful - handball NT coach Claude Onesta is leading it. I like his talk and I believe he has the right ideas in mind, yet he is facing an old system (a quasi socialist one tbf) that it's very difficult to move.

 

People care, but the public discussion is mainly about funding or very long-term issues (like the already mentioned sport at school). Our system has become inefficient and doesn't know how to peak at the right time (the olympics). On that last point, we still could make a big difference by 2024. Hopefully, the right questions will be asked by the right people.

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I was looking at other nations numbers and Germany seems to have the exact same problem than us witch very similar numbers. Since 2012, on average, they have 'lost' 6 medals and 2.8 golds each winter and summer olympics vs the last world championships (-5.6 and -2.4 for France)

 

Now, we understand why @OlympicsFanis constantly angry.

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6 hours ago, Makedonas said:

Exactly, another reason why I am proud of Greece because we did everything on our own. The only athlete we had in Tokyo who did not live most of their life in Greece was Stamatia Scarvelis in the women's hammer throw, who is from USA but both of her parents are Greeks. Everyone else was born and lived their whole lives in Greece or came to Greece at very young ages.

Greece wasn't also so pure

I think Greece chased Mark Philippoussis  ( tennis ) and Lydia Lassila  ( aerial skiing ) to represent Greece 

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6 hours ago, rajiv said:

Greece wasn't also so pure

I think Greece chased Mark Philippoussis  ( tennis ) and Lydia Lassila  ( aerial skiing ) to represent Greece 

Both of them have Greek parents so that's very different from countries just buying random athletes with zero connections to the country

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Happy for all Greek medals as well as for Italy and Russia (two countries I kinda root for in every Summer Olympics for reasons I myself do not know🤷‍♂️😂). And congrats to all medal winners regardless of ethnic background on their achievements.💪